geforce 3 or retail radeon 8500?

[CoOLMaNX]

Ok, I got two more days to make a decision Geforce 3 or radeon 8500. My budget is give or take $215 which is in the range for a geforce 3, ti 200 and a radeon 8500 retail. I'm mainly into DVD ripping and also I do like them games Which card would give me the most bang for my buck in my case? I'm dual booting Linux and WIndows XP, i barely use linux so let's just think on the windows XP side

 

[AMD_Man]

Well, if you want top performance now, then, by all means, get a GeForce3 Ti200. If you're willing to wait a month or two to reach peak performance, then get a Radeon 8500. Under peak performance, the Radeon 8500 will significantly outperform a GeForce3 Ti200 and even a GeForce3 Ti500. Now a lot of people will disagree with me, so I'm going to say two things: first of all, ATI has made 3 updated drivers for the Radeon 8500, so far, and I believe they will keep this pace, secondly, I'm slightly biased towards the Radeon 8500 because I have one and I love, I'm having no problems.

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[nexus_alpha]

Consider this before you buy both nVIDA and ATI releasing new GPUs Feb 2002 even if you don't buy them it should push down prices of the other cards significantly who knows Radeon 8500 retail for $150. By the way new gpu from nVIDIA called nv25 based on Xbox and ATI's = R300 based on the gamecube plus somethingelse I am not allowed to tell you, but I can tell you this ATI's gpu got embedded "special" ram greatly alleviating the bandwidth problem seen in gpu, yup its going to be a great 2002 since ATI has a extra surprise in the chipset sector and not mention nVIDIA producing a audio solution to rival that of the soundblaster AUDIGY you heard it hear first folks. BY the way this is 50% truth 50% speculation the IT industry changes rapidly.

 

[AMD_Man]

Agh, well, I just hope my Radeon 8500 can last me a couple of years of high-performance game play.

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[bront]

If Linux was important to you, I'd sudgest the Geforce 3 Ti200, due to superior Linux suport. Otherwise, go with the Radeon 8500. The DVD playback on it is nice, visual quality I found to be excelent, and the card has plenty of power (I can run NHL 2002 without a hitch at 1600x1200x32 on it while I have Seti running in the background along with a few other programs) for games.

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[AMD_Man]

NHL2002 is not a demanding game however. Remember, it was designed with a TNT2 in mind.

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[Guest]

Interesting debate. I'm ni the process of upgrading. I want my video card to 3d game and I need it for recording family home videos. What format should I record in and then what equipment should I use? I was thinking the ASUS t5 (ti 500) bundle or the straight Geforce 3 bundle (both have vid in and out)

Any help would be great I want to purchase next week.

 

[AMD_Man]

Well, you might also consider looking into the ATI All In Wonder Radeon 8500DV because it has superior Video In feautres. However, it's performance is only on par with a GeForce3 Ti200.

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[rcf84]

ATi isnt releasing the R300 in Feb 2002. ATi is releasing an Ultra Radeon 8800 300/600 with 128mb DDR-SDRAM.

Nice Nvidia and ATi users get a Cookie.... Yummy

 

[flamethrower205]

Ati isn';t being creative anymore. Let's see how many years they'll keep the R200 GPU, just keep adding RAM. Can't wait for GF4. For 215$, I think u can get a GF3 reg, not Ti200.

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[AMD_Man]

Ok......the R200 is a BRAND NEW CORE!! NVidia themselves did the same thing with the GeForce2 line and the GeForce3 line. Nvidia has countless variations of the GeForce2 and GeForce3.

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[flamethrower205]

...but look at how long they kept up teh orig Radeons.

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[AMD_Man]

I agree there. The original Radeons lasted too long without any revamping. In fact, the Radeon 7500 is merely a souped up Radeon. The R200 is a new core and therefore, assuming ATI is planning for the future, will be able to clock up easily so we might see multiple variations of the Radeon 8000s series. Perhaps, the R300 will be a Radeon 9000. BTW, ATI has done a good job in reducing the jargon for newbies. Newbies are having a hard time deciphering between variations of the GeForce2. ATI has fixed this problem in their new line of cards by using a numeric scheme. The higher the number, the faster the card.......

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[flamethrower205]

All I'm saying is that Ati shouldn't keeo teh R200 core as long as the Radeon. Thing about newbies is that they buy their comps prebuilt, meaning they don't say what goes where. Also, imo, it's not hard- MX, GTS, Pro, then Ultra. And plus, the GF3's- Ti200, GF3, Ti500 are logical.

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[AMD_Man]

Also, imo, it's not hard- MX, GTS, Pro, then Ultra. And plus, the GF3's- Ti200, GF3, Ti500 are logical.

You're missing a couple

GEFORCE2
MX-200
MX
MX-400
GTS-V
GTS
GTS Pro (366MHz memory)
Pro
TI
Ultra

GEFORCE3:
TI200
GF3
TI500

Now you see why it's confusing?

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[flamethrower205]

Lol. I was just naming the basics. But come on, any haflwit that spends time w/ comp hardware should know the difference- at least general difference.

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[AMD_Man]

Yes, true, but then why do we see all these people "upgrading" to an MX200 when an MX/MX400 only costs a couple of bucks more?

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[flamethrower205]

lol. Or upgrading to an MX200 from an MX. hehehe. That's always amusing.

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[HolyGrenade]

you missed the golden samples...

BTW, I don't think the nv25 will be out on feb, but merely be announced. It will be a couple of months before it is "out", then probably another month before it is actually available. Its always like that with all the companies. It will have a few new features though. Voodoo5500esq Anti-Aliasing (rotary?), DVD decodeing and image quality that is supposed to surpass anything in the radeon family. And I think thats about it. oh yeah... an extra vertex shader. and 128mb ddr ram at some high frequency.

But think of it this way, when it is out, the other cards currently on the market will actually be affordable.

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[flamethrower205]

It'll also have a 300Mhz nfinite FX2 processor. Vid cards seem to be affordab;e- what r u talking about? Imo, 300$ for a vid card isn't unreasonable.

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[CoOLMaNX]

i'm still bunked guys, i'm leaning towards the radeon now since amd man showed a lot of reasons, well kinda compared to the geforce 3 series. I also like this info about upcoming cards, but i dont really need that type of performance, can some geforce 3 biased people come and chat

 

[AMD_Man]

Well, I'm running Radeon 8500 under WinXP with a 1.33GHz Athlon...this is just for people like juin who believe the Radeon 8500 is unstable with the Athlon. The Radeon 8500 isn't a bad card for the money...I got it for $384 CDN or ~$250 USD. That's not bad at all.... Plus, with the Radeon 8500, you get full dual-monitor support, DVI support for Digital LCDs, top of the line DVD playback (but make sure you download their latest player off their website, the bundled player seems to be buggy), and a 400MHz RAMDAC!! Also, don't forget Truform (aka NPATCHES) and full DX8.1 support. Disadvantages? Not prefect OPENGL 1.3 support, but that should be fixed in the next driver. A slight slow down in WinXP. I'm only getting ~7300 on 3DMark2001 but under Win98SE, I would probably be getting at or near ~8000. Anyway, I really can't complain about it. Yes, UT isn't too great under WinXP. I'm getting ~100 fps at 1024*768*32 but I should probably be getting ~125fps. Giants doesn't play perfectly either, or at least that's what I hear. I don't have Giants so I can't really comment on that. Serious Sam plays well but WinXP scores are less than optimal. All of these are signs of still immature drivers. I believe with time, they will go away.

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[HolyGrenade]

In my days $300 was a lot of money. What the hell! it still is. It'd probably take most people over a week to get that sort of money, actually considering tax and stuff it'd probably take'em two weeks of work to earn that sort of money!

I remember when cards used to be 50-60squid, ~$70-80, for excellent gaming! or even $30-$40 before that (2d days).

I don't know if you're getting excessive pocket money or what, but $300 is a LOT of money. Even for someone like me who is getting around £40/hr on contracts.


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[Guest]

I just ordered a new system with an Athlon XP and a Radeon 8500 about an hour ago. My reasoning was this:

You get better overall gaming performance than the Geforce3 (as the benchmarks show), and nearly as good of performance as a Geforce3 Ti500 (which would have cost me $70 more, and that's comparing a retail radeon with a oem Ti500). Plus it may well be as fast at the Ti500 in a month or so. Also, it has superior image quality, DVD playback, and has dual monitor outputs plus TV out.

I'm taking the chance. If Ati doesn't improve it and make it completely stable, then I'll be pissed. But I'm putting my money on Ati being the next AMD.

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[Matisaro]

Unless lol, you get an oem radeon 8500 and its really a radeon 8000.

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