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oh no! I bought the 230mhz version of the 8500

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Tutlas   01-01-2002 at 11:46:10 PM

i had no idea there were 2 versions of the oem radeon 8500, and thought even though it said 230mhz at newegg, a review of the item claimed that it was an error on neweggs part and it really was 250, and i stupidly listened, i mean i had no idea there were 2 oem versions!!! anyway, do you think i should change my order and get a Geforce or mabey get a radeon somewhere else? i mean i like the price on it at 179, but if the preformace is really bad.... would there be a big noticible differance between the reatail/250/and 230 versions? is it worth changing my order and possibly the brand of video card i'm getting? what do you guys think?

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Flamethrower205   01-01-2002 at 11:52:54 PM
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Get a GeForce 3.

My rice car will leave your R8500 in the dust!

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AMD_Man   01-02-2002 at 12:10:33 AM
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i mean i like the price on it at 179, but if the preformace is really bad.... would there be a big noticible differance between the reatail/250/and 230 versions? is it worth changing my order and possibly the brand of video card i'm getting? what do you guys think?


That would depend on your processor. How fast is it? I doubt the difference is too significant from the 230MHz one to the 275MHz one. The Retail is clocked approx. 20% more, so you won't experience more than 20% faster performance and that's only on a very fast Athlon XP or P4 system. When I overclock my Radeon 8500 to 300/300, I hardly saw a difference because my 1.33GHz Athlon was the bottleneck.

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Tutlas   01-02-2002 at 12:20:46 AM
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athlon xp 1700+, plan on overclocking it

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AMD_Man   01-02-2002 at 12:27:19 AM
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Interesting....How do you define "poor" performance?

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Flamethrower205   01-02-2002 at 12:29:15 AM
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What r ur agp settings and all?

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Tutlas   01-02-2002 at 12:48:20 AM
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dont have the system yet, this is the first computer that i've ever built. i know that the card wouldnt preform poor, but i dont want to have a bad version of a card that ranked so close to the geforece 3 ti200 in alot of the benchmarks. the decision to go with the Radeon was a close one, and if i'm gonna get a version that has a significant gap in preformance compared to the other oem version, i think i might want to change my desicion.

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AMD_Man   01-02-2002 at 12:57:15 AM
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Well, the AIW Radeon 8500DV is clocked at 230/190 and it's still comparable in performance to a GeForce3 Ti200 so at 230/230 it should be just above a GeForce3 Ti200. At 250/250 it's comparable to a Geforce3 (the original). At 275/275, it starts approaching GeForce3 Ti500 performance.

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Flamethrower205   01-02-2002 at 01:02:33 AM
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I really advise u get a GF3. Aside from performance, no driver issues!

My rice car will leave your R8500 in the dust!

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Tutlas   01-02-2002 at 01:06:18 AM
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ok i guess i wont change my order then, and i'll just try overclocking the 230 version 10-20 points or so. unless, if u think i could buy the gainward ti200 and save 14 dollars, and mabey overclock it a bit more than i would be able to overlcock the Radeon at 230.......

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Flamethrower205   01-02-2002 at 01:09:02 AM
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It seems that the Gf3 is more powerful per clock cycle, meaning that if u OC Ti200 as much as the R8500 (which u will....u may even be able to get it to Ti500 spec), u'll get better performance.

My rice car will leave your R8500 in the dust!

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AMD_Man   01-02-2002 at 01:23:14 AM
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It seems that the Gf3 is more powerful per clock cycle


Not necessarily. According to synthetic tests in 3DMark2001, the has a significantly stronger static T&L unit. The Radeon 8500 also has a stronger Pixel Shader. I would bet that the slowdowns the Radeon 8500 is currently experiences is due to the deficiencies in the current driver. There are new ones due out shortly....

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Flamethrower205   01-02-2002 at 01:30:24 AM
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That's only what a THEORETICAL benchmark shows. As u can see, 275MHz can't beat a GF3ti500. Plus...nvidia will keep opimizing their drivers. For instance, no one really noticed the 23.11's, but I got a 50% performance boost on my Quadro DCC, and another 2--30% performance boost from teh 23.11's. Plus, new games will be optimized for GF3...think of all the XBOX games coming to PC.

My rice car will leave your R8500 in the dust!

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AMD_Man   01-02-2002 at 01:46:37 AM
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That's only what a THEORETICAL benchmark shows. As u can see, 275MHz can't beat a GF3ti500. Plus...nvidia will keep opimizing their drivers. For instance, no one really noticed the 23.11's, but I got a 50% performance boost on my Quadro DCC, and another 2--30% performance boost from teh 23.11's. Plus, new games will be optimized for GF3...think of all the XBOX games coming to PC.


I can't comment about the improvement with the 23.11 but all I know is that they are very buggy, especially with WinXP. ATI will also keep optimizing their drivers. Remember the Detonator 3 drivers with the Geforce3. If you were to compare a GeForce3 Ti500 running the Detonator 3 drivers and Radeon 8500, the Radeon 8500 would probably outperform it, clock-for-clock. The Radeon 8500 is only 2 months old and the un-certified drivers increase the out-of-the-box performance by 15%. ATI can probably squeeze another 15-20% out of the Radoen 8500. A new leaked driver (which I haven't tested yet) is said to significantly improve performance in most games. Also, all the X-Box games that will be released for DirectX8 which the Radeon 8500 is 100% compatible with in hardware. Unless the games use any proprietary features of the GeForce3, the Radeon 8500 will be able to play the game equally well.

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Crashman   01-02-2002 at 02:34:48 AM
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If it has 3.6ns memory you should be able to overclock it to 275MHz.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

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Flamethrower205   01-02-2002 at 02:43:30 AM
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Haven't had ANY probs w/ teh 23.11, and I use XP.

My rice car will leave your R8500 in the dust!

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AMD_Man   01-02-2002 at 02:52:07 AM
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hmm, what's your motherboard? It all really depends on the motherboard.

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Flamethrower205   01-02-2002 at 03:09:57 AM
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AMD 761 w/ Via for IDE controllers. Soon gonna get KT266a.

My rice car will leave your R8500 in the dust!

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AMD_Man   01-02-2002 at 03:20:30 AM
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I must assume that this is an issue with the Via Northbridge then. Anyway, read about this issue at ViaHardware. I don't have the link with me right now, but I posted it once here before.

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Anonymous   01-02-2002 at 05:02:08 AM
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why is anyone listening to flamethrower anyway? This is the guy that thought he could get his GeForce 3 to 300/700 with watercooling...

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TheAntipop   01-02-2002 at 07:29:22 AM
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whats your point, 300/700 sounds very possible judging from the stock hs/fan overclocking that i've seen.

and flamethrower, what games coming from the Xbox, besides Halo, are even gonna be worth playing, xbox titles just plain suck. to me that sounds like a pretty bs selling point for a gf3.

eh, i'll procrastinate later...

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Matisaro   01-02-2002 at 08:15:02 AM
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A bs selling point is still a selling point.


On the topic of the thread however, LOL, I cant believe ati has more than one oem version, and they they dont distinguish between them.....its a damn sad thing.


A geforce is a geforce, be it oem or retail, they do not change the hardware speccs without letting people know, unlike some companies.

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knowan   01-03-2002 at 03:00:28 AM
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From what I hear the Radeon 230/230 is darn near impossible to overclock. From what I hear you can't even get 250/250 out of it. Again, this is from what I hear, not personal experience.

The 250/250 OEM should be able to overclock to 275/275 though.

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AMD_Man   01-03-2002 at 03:19:58 AM
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That's why I skipped the OEMs and bought a retail! Plus at least with the retail box you get a warrantee, which I don't believe you get with the OEMs.

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Flamethrower205   01-03-2002 at 03:53:40 AM
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Haha, he;s screwed!

My rice car will leave your R8500 in the dust!

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Flamethrower205   01-03-2002 at 03:55:44 AM
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Antipop (cool, I'm againt pop music too:)), there will be more, and better games....u never know what teh future holds.

My rice car will leave your R8500 in the dust!

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Flamethrower205   01-03-2002 at 03:58:38 AM
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AMDLOVER, it's actually a Quadro DCC. Dude, water cooling and peltier I believe it'll be possible...am waiting to get those though.

My rice car will leave your R8500 in the dust!

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