oh no! I bought the 230mhz version of the 8500
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Tutlas
January 1, 2002 8:46:10 PM
i had no idea there were 2 versions of the oem radeon 8500, and thought even though it said 230mhz at newegg, a review of the item claimed that it was an error on neweggs part and it really was 250, and i stupidly listened, i mean i had no idea there were 2 oem versions!!! anyway, do you think i should change my order and get a Geforce or mabey get a radeon somewhere else? i mean i like the price on it at 179, but if the preformace is really bad.... would there be a big noticible differance between the reatail/250/and 230 versions? is it worth changing my order and possibly the brand of video card i'm getting? what do you guys think?
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flamethrower205
January 1, 2002 8:52:54 PM
AMD_Man
January 1, 2002 9:10:33 PM
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i mean i like the price on it at 179, but if the preformace is really bad.... would there be a big noticible differance between the reatail/250/and 230 versions? is it worth changing my order and possibly the brand of video card i'm getting? what do you guys think?
That would depend on your processor. How fast is it? I doubt the difference is too significant from the 230MHz one to the 275MHz one. The Retail is clocked approx. 20% more, so you won't experience more than 20% faster performance and that's only on a very fast Athlon XP or P4 system. When I overclock my Radeon 8500 to 300/300, I hardly saw a difference because my 1.33GHz Athlon was the bottleneck.
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Tutlas
January 1, 2002 9:20:46 PM
AMD_Man
January 1, 2002 9:27:19 PM
flamethrower205
January 1, 2002 9:29:15 PM
Tutlas
January 1, 2002 9:48:20 PM
dont have the system yet, this is the first computer that i've ever built. i know that the card wouldnt preform poor, but i dont want to have a bad version of a card that ranked so close to the geforece 3 ti200 in alot of the benchmarks. the decision to go with the Radeon was a close one, and if i'm gonna get a version that has a significant gap in preformance compared to the other oem version, i think i might want to change my desicion.
AMD_Man
January 1, 2002 9:57:15 PM
Well, the AIW Radeon 8500DV is clocked at 230/190 and it's still comparable in performance to a GeForce3 Ti200 so at 230/230 it should be just above a GeForce3 Ti200. At 250/250 it's comparable to a Geforce3 (the original). At 275/275, it starts approaching GeForce3 Ti500 performance.
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AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
flamethrower205
January 1, 2002 10:02:33 PM
Tutlas
January 1, 2002 10:06:18 PM
flamethrower205
January 1, 2002 10:09:02 PM
AMD_Man
January 1, 2002 10:23:14 PM
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It seems that the Gf3 is more powerful per clock cycle
Not necessarily. According to synthetic tests in 3DMark2001, the has a significantly stronger static T&L unit. The Radeon 8500 also has a stronger Pixel Shader. I would bet that the slowdowns the Radeon 8500 is currently experiences is due to the deficiencies in the current driver. There are new ones due out shortly....
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flamethrower205
January 1, 2002 10:30:24 PM
That's only what a THEORETICAL benchmark shows. As u can see, 275MHz can't beat a GF3ti500. Plus...nvidia will keep opimizing their drivers. For instance, no one really noticed the 23.11's, but I got a 50% performance boost on my Quadro DCC, and another 2--30% performance boost from teh 23.11's. Plus, new games will be optimized for GF3...think of all the XBOX games coming to PC.
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AMD_Man
January 1, 2002 10:46:37 PM
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That's only what a THEORETICAL benchmark shows. As u can see, 275MHz can't beat a GF3ti500. Plus...nvidia will keep opimizing their drivers. For instance, no one really noticed the 23.11's, but I got a 50% performance boost on my Quadro DCC, and another 2--30% performance boost from teh 23.11's. Plus, new games will be optimized for GF3...think of all the XBOX games coming to PC.
I can't comment about the improvement with the 23.11 but all I know is that they are very buggy, especially with WinXP. ATI will also keep optimizing their drivers. Remember the Detonator 3 drivers with the Geforce3. If you were to compare a GeForce3 Ti500 running the Detonator 3 drivers and Radeon 8500, the Radeon 8500 would probably outperform it, clock-for-clock. The Radeon 8500 is only 2 months old and the un-certified drivers increase the out-of-the-box performance by 15%. ATI can probably squeeze another 15-20% out of the Radoen 8500. A new leaked driver (which I haven't tested yet) is said to significantly improve performance in most games. Also, all the X-Box games that will be released for DirectX8 which the Radeon 8500 is 100% compatible with in hardware. Unless the games use any proprietary features of the GeForce3, the Radeon 8500 will be able to play the game equally well.
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flamethrower205
January 1, 2002 11:43:30 PM
AMD_Man
January 1, 2002 11:52:07 PM
flamethrower205
January 2, 2002 12:09:57 AM
AMD_Man
January 2, 2002 12:20:30 AM
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January 2, 2002 2:02:08 AM
TheAntipop
January 2, 2002 4:29:22 AM
whats your point, 300/700 sounds very possible judging from the stock hs/fan overclocking that i've seen.
and flamethrower, what games coming from the Xbox, besides Halo, are even gonna be worth playing, xbox titles just plain suck. to me that sounds like a pretty bs selling point for a gf3.
eh, i'll procrastinate later...
and flamethrower, what games coming from the Xbox, besides Halo, are even gonna be worth playing, xbox titles just plain suck. to me that sounds like a pretty bs selling point for a gf3.
eh, i'll procrastinate later...
Matisaro
January 2, 2002 5:15:02 AM
A bs selling point is still a selling point.
On the topic of the thread however, LOL, I cant believe ati has more than one oem version, and they they dont distinguish between them.....its a damn sad thing.
A geforce is a geforce, be it oem or retail, they do not change the hardware speccs without letting people know, unlike some companies.
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On the topic of the thread however, LOL, I cant believe ati has more than one oem version, and they they dont distinguish between them.....its a damn sad thing.
A geforce is a geforce, be it oem or retail, they do not change the hardware speccs without letting people know, unlike some companies.
"The Cash Left In My Pocket,The BEST Benchmark"
No Overclock+stock hsf=GOOD!
knowan
January 3, 2002 12:00:28 AM
From what I hear the Radeon 230/230 is darn near impossible to overclock. From what I hear you can't even get 250/250 out of it. Again, this is from what I hear, not personal experience.
The 250/250 OEM should be able to overclock to 275/275 though.
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The 250/250 OEM should be able to overclock to 275/275 though.
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AMD_Man
January 3, 2002 12:19:58 AM
flamethrower205
January 3, 2002 12:53:40 AM
flamethrower205
January 3, 2002 12:55:44 AM
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January 3, 2002 12:58:38 AM
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