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December 12, 2004 10:15:16 PM

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I am from the outside looking into the mobile communication market world,
and it seems to me that Motorola slow release of handsets is one of the
biggest draw backs to Nextel. I understand that Motorola supplies not only
the handsets, but the communication equipment and networking technology as
well. It seems that Motorola like to take their sweet time to introduce new
handsets with features that are common among other handset manufactures.
These features include: camera, video, MP3 media player, Bluetooth, smart
phone, different sizes, different configurations, etc. Other mobile phone
services provide these features on many different handsets, and most of the
time at better prices. Motorola phones seem to be big, ugly, and lack
features. An example, it seem to take way too long for Nextel to release a
camera phone, and when the phone came to market the price is through the
roof. This turns off the consumer market, which appears to me to be the most
rapid growing market in North America. At least the advertising seems to be
directed there. Motorola needs to do with Nextel like it have done with
other mobile phone services and release handsets that are popular and above
all competitive.



Just recently I moved our sales and engineering force from Nextel to
Verizon, for the reason that I can give them a better selection of handsets.
These people don't use the PPT technology, not like our service and
installation force. If one of our techs or installers needs information from
engineering or sales, they just give them a call.





Motorola please get off the ivory tower of the perceived monopoly on the
iden technology and bring your handset offering to 2004.

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Anonymous
December 12, 2004 10:15:17 PM

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Jason wrote:
> Motorola needs to do with Nextel like it have done with
> other mobile phone services and release handsets that are popular and above
> all competitive.

It's not Motorola's choice, it's Nextel's, and I'd venture a guess that most of
Nextel's most loyal customers don't buy Nextel phones for the multimedia
features. You forget who their core customers are.

> Just recently I moved our sales and engineering force from Nextel to
> Verizon, for the reason that I can give them a better selection of handsets.
> These people don't use the PPT technology,

Then there are probably a few other carriers that are better than Nextel.

> Motorola please get off the ivory tower of the perceived monopoly on the
> iden technology and bring your handset offering to 2004.

Motorola sells the carriers exactly what the carriers ask for, just like every
other handset manufacturer, and again, I would bet that multimedia is not where
Nextel's focus is.

The hilarious thing is that you went to Verizon. Verizon has a great network
but is slow as molasses running uphill in January when it comes to releasing
new phones and new technology. If you want to be bleeding-edge, go with Sprint
or T-Mobile.

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Anonymous
December 13, 2004 4:16:02 AM

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On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:15:16 GMT, "Jason" <jasoninsandiego@yahoo.com>
said in alt.cellular.nextel:

>An example, it seem to take way too long for Nextel to release a
>camera phone, and when the phone came to market the price is through the
>roof. This turns off the consumer market

Which is not the market Nextel is interested in. They won't turn down
anyone's money, but they mainly provide fleet service and, to a
smaller and later extent, PTT for teens, which is currently "kewl".

>Motorola needs to do with Nextel like it have done with
>other mobile phone services and release handsets that are popular and above
>all competitive.

You have the tail wagging the dog. The carrier tells the manufacturer
what phones it wants, not the other way around.

>Just recently I moved our sales and engineering force from Nextel to
>Verizon, for the reason that I can give them a better selection of handsets.
>These people don't use the PPT technology

So they're not the demographic Nextel is aiming for.
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December 13, 2004 4:16:54 AM

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On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:08:30 -0800, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
said in alt.cellular.nextel:

>The hilarious thing is that you went to Verizon. Verizon has a great network
>but is slow as molasses running uphill in January when it comes to releasing
>new phones and new technology. If you want to be bleeding-edge, go with Sprint
>or T-Mobile.

Or move to Asia. :) 
Anonymous
December 13, 2004 4:16:55 AM

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Al Klein wrote:

>>The hilarious thing is that you went to Verizon. Verizon has a great network
>>but is slow as molasses running uphill in January when it comes to releasing
>>new phones and new technology. If you want to be bleeding-edge, go with Sprint
>>or T-Mobile.
>
> Or move to Asia. :) 

Or Finland, home to Nokia's corporate HQ, where every man, woman, child and dog
owns a cell phone :)  I'm guessing that a decent number of brand-new phones are
tested there. :) 

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December 13, 2004 8:13:32 AM

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Verizon has rolled out a real fast internet access in San Diego. where our
company does it business. Didn't I just read an article that T-Mobile is two
years out from high speed data? Also, T-Mobile coverage is too small for our
area. Sprint in San Diego doesn't have the proper coverage. I think I am
not the only one thinking that Motorola has to be concern. There stock
dropped $1.39 last week.



Most IT managers I know would love for Nextel to have some sort of smart
phone which Nextel has yet to release. Business applications of high speed
are becoming a big issues in the IT world.



In order for Nextel to continue to grow, it will need to expand into other
markets. The current line of products is too limited to expand into high
speed networking, consumer, executive, and corporate applications.



It doesn't matter if it is Nextel or Motorola, I would suspect it is
Motorola that is dragging there heals, Motorola has always had the
reputation for being an ivory tower company. This is why they fell behind
Nokia, and is loosing ground to some of the Asian manufactures.
Anonymous
December 13, 2004 8:13:33 AM

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Jason wrote:
> Verizon has rolled out a real fast internet access in San Diego. where our
> company does it business.

Yes. They sure did. The initial tests were in San Diego and DC. And yes, that
puts Verizon ahead of the curve for high-speed Internet access. However, having
been a Verizon customer from September 2000 through June 2004, I can tell you
from personal experience that they are slow to release *phones* with new
technology that other carriers sometimes have long before them.

> years out from high speed data? Also, T-Mobile coverage is too small for our
> area. Sprint in San Diego doesn't have the proper coverage. I think I am
> not the only one thinking that Motorola has to be concern. There stock
> dropped $1.39 last week.

*nod* All I'm saying is that Motorola sells Nextel the phones they want to buy
and if they wanted multimedia they would have asked Moto for it. The i730, for
example, is basically the same phone as the T730 sold by Verizon and others.
And the T730 had multimedia technology built in, if I recall correctly. The
technology is there if Nextel wants to purchase it and sell it to the customer
base.

I'll have to take your word on the stock price as I don't follow Wall Street.

> Most IT managers I know would love for Nextel to have some sort of smart
> phone which Nextel has yet to release.

Ahhh - indeed, and you just helped me make my point.

> In order for Nextel to continue to grow, it will need to expand into other
> markets. The current line of products is too limited to expand into high
> speed networking, consumer, executive, and corporate applications.

I see some thread convergence happening here... Sprint's in pretty good shape
and a merger with Sprint might benefit Nextel in this area. I agree 100% with
your assessment.

> It doesn't matter if it is Nextel or Motorola, I would suspect it is
> Motorola that is dragging there heals, Motorola has always had the
> reputation for being an ivory tower company. This is why they fell behind
> Nokia, and is loosing ground to some of the Asian manufactures.

No, I'm telling you - Motorola has the technology and is selling it to carriers
that ask for it. Go shop a carrier that sells Motorola - check out the products
for yourself; don't take my word.

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Anonymous
December 13, 2004 9:58:25 AM

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Nextel is also testing there high speed internet access and have been
for a while in the Charlette, NC area. and what does this have to do
with Motorola. why does motorola care if verizon has high speed
internet access. Motorola and Nextel are two seperate companies and
motorola only makes what nextel wants and nextel is not particularly
concerned with rushing a smart phone to the market. don't get me wrong
i want to see it as much as then next guy but it is just not top on
their list of things to do. they are focused on gettting this spectrum
swap handled


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December 13, 2004 3:22:27 PM

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Jason wrote:
> Here some good AP news story
> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041210/motorola_merger_talks_2....

Indeed. Sanyo could make out like a bandit in this case. Sanyo has an exclusive
deal to supply phones to Sprint (did that sound right? I meant they only sell
phones in the USA through Sprint, not that Sprint only buys Sanyos).

OTOH I don't think Motorola is going to be as big a loser as this story might
imply.

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Anonymous
December 13, 2004 4:24:41 PM

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Steve Sobol wrote:

> OTOH I don't think Motorola is going to be as big a loser as this story
> might imply.

apologies for the self-followup, but I feel this way because Sprint didn't
carry Motorola at all for a while and even now only carries one of their
handsets. I predict more Moto CDMA handsets being sold by Sprint if the Nextel
merger goes through.



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Anonymous
December 14, 2004 1:15:43 AM

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"Steve Sobol" <
> > OTOH I don't think Motorola is going to be as big a loser as this story
> > might imply.
>
> apologies for the self-followup, but I feel this way because Sprint didn't
> carry Motorola at all for a while and even now only carries one of their
> handsets. I predict more Moto CDMA handsets being sold by Sprint if the
Nextel
> merger goes through.
>
I would agree with what Steve said above.Motorola created iDen technology
and it makes sense if merger happens that Motorola stands to benefit from
Sprint absorbing the iDen technology into thier handset catalogue.I doubt
Nokia or Sanyo or any other will get the go ahead from Motorola to integrate
iDen technology into thier handsets.I would be really suprised if that
happens.Motorola created the modulation format that iDen is based upon.It
would be like Ford letting Hundai put thier Cobra Jet engine into a hundai
car.Not gonna happen.:) 

Since rolling out Nationwide direct connect I have noticed my Nextel 2 way
service quality have drag times during peak hours but overall it beats
Sprint ready link and Verizons failed " push-to-wait-to send -to receive".

Sprint as a carrier and Motorola as a manufacturor could both stand to gain
from all this financially.maybe we will get lucky and they will combine
their dismall customer service support into 1 decent outfit.Wishfull
thinking on my part mostly.

Wayne
Anonymous
December 14, 2004 1:15:44 AM

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WKR wrote:

> I would agree with what Steve said above.Motorola created iDen technology
> and it makes sense if merger happens that Motorola stands to benefit from
> Sprint absorbing the iDen technology into thier handset catalogue.

Nononono :) 

The phones will be CDMA phones, but RF-wise, some of the best CDMA phones ever
made have been Motorola phones. Like the StarTACs... flimsy as all hell, but
the radio circuitry was top-notch.

> Since rolling out Nationwide direct connect I have noticed my Nextel 2 way
> service quality have drag times during peak hours but overall it beats
> Sprint ready link and Verizons failed " push-to-wait-to send -to receive".

Yup. I note with some amusement that after, what, a year or so, Verizon still
only sells one Push-to-Talk handset, the Moto V.60p. They horfed big-time on
the PTT project. :) 

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