Tommorrow 3dfx is dead
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3DFX a pionner of GPU.
It equal a in the CPU market that IBM fade in the history.
http://service.madonion.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb/projectcompare&projectType=6&projectId=2310900
It equal a in the CPU market that IBM fade in the history.
http://service.madonion.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb/projectcompare&projectType=6&projectId=2310900
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LOL, carefull juin, I think he's going after your throne.
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3D Graphics Accelerator, not GPU. nVidia is the GPU pioneer.
They went bust because they were naive to think they can alienate their customers by dropping them and make graphics cards themselves. Thats when their demise got rolling. The fight with nVidia was another chapter. 'Twas only their foolishness. no second chances in theis cut throat world.
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Also look at matrox is in the process of dieing slowly.
History will repeat itself. Nvidia is under pressure on the other side now. They have the ball and they cant drop it because there a company that match them 3d wise.
I remember a while back when they cancelled the NV25 saying they will go straight for the NV30. Then the Radeon 64mb VIVO came and challenged the GeForce2 GTS to the fullest. and rumors of the R200 the Geforce3 killer. Now the GeForce4 is out and ATi is Releasing the R8800 to challenge it.
I think when the R300 comes out nvidia will be in shock when, ATi's brand new core built ground up. When the NV30 is still built on older generations of chips.
THGC, saving 1 pc user from buying a GeForce4 MX at a time.
History will repeat itself. Nvidia is under pressure on the other side now. They have the ball and they cant drop it because there a company that match them 3d wise.
I remember a while back when they cancelled the NV25 saying they will go straight for the NV30. Then the Radeon 64mb VIVO came and challenged the GeForce2 GTS to the fullest. and rumors of the R200 the Geforce3 killer. Now the GeForce4 is out and ATi is Releasing the R8800 to challenge it.
I think when the R300 comes out nvidia will be in shock when, ATi's brand new core built ground up. When the NV30 is still built on older generations of chips.
THGC, saving 1 pc user from buying a GeForce4 MX at a time.
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Now who in gods name told you the nv30 is built on older generation chips? It is a brand new chip. It will be even more different to the GF3 & 4 chips than they are to GF1 & 2 chips.
This is a project the acquired 3DFX/Gigapixel engineers have been working on since they joined. It certainly ain't based on no stale technology.
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This is a project the acquired 3DFX/Gigapixel engineers have been working on since they joined. It certainly ain't based on no stale technology.
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Matrox and Trident were working on 3D cards around the same time, but they were leaps and bounds behind 3DFX. 3DFX also pushed their cards to developers, who were pushing 3D games like Quake, Mechwarior 2, ect.
3DFX was pushed by Nvidia, and later ATI. All chipsets had their merits and flaws, but 3DFX stuck hard to their own designs and concepts instead of going along with some of it's competator's good ideas.
Unfortunately, you sometimes have companies that fail to see that other's ideas have merit, and get caught up in their own superiority. Intel's steadfast hold onto RDRam durring the early P4 days is one example (as CPUs have gotten faster, the P4 finaly is able to reap the benifits of RDRam). HP did the same thing with color printer resolution, refusing to go over 600x600 DPI for a while, and simply coming up with naming schemes and mixing techniques to make up for it.
It just goes to show how stubborn some corperations can be.
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3DFX was pushed by Nvidia, and later ATI. All chipsets had their merits and flaws, but 3DFX stuck hard to their own designs and concepts instead of going along with some of it's competator's good ideas.
Unfortunately, you sometimes have companies that fail to see that other's ideas have merit, and get caught up in their own superiority. Intel's steadfast hold onto RDRam durring the early P4 days is one example (as CPUs have gotten faster, the P4 finaly is able to reap the benifits of RDRam). HP did the same thing with color printer resolution, refusing to go over 600x600 DPI for a while, and simply coming up with naming schemes and mixing techniques to make up for it.
It just goes to show how stubborn some corperations can be.
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Both GPUs will incorperate older technology to remain backwards compatable. The R200 is a foundation for the R300, even if they are redesigning the core layout. The same goes for the NV30.
If both companies do well, then the consumer can't go wrong. Much like when the 8500 came out and it was GF3 Ti200/500 vs Radeon 8500, there were a few good and bad points to each, but both were good quality cards. Hopefully this trend will continue. It's good to see that ATI is using a stratergy of tweeking their old card when the release a new one (7500 from the Radeon, 8800 from the 8500, ect). I think that would have been a better move by Nvidia, to use their GF3 as their mainstream card. If more new games can count on there being the DX8 feature supporting cards out there, then they will be written for them. That, in turn, will allow higher end users to justify newer and better cards, more so than just a raw speed increase.
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If both companies do well, then the consumer can't go wrong. Much like when the 8500 came out and it was GF3 Ti200/500 vs Radeon 8500, there were a few good and bad points to each, but both were good quality cards. Hopefully this trend will continue. It's good to see that ATI is using a stratergy of tweeking their old card when the release a new one (7500 from the Radeon, 8800 from the 8500, ect). I think that would have been a better move by Nvidia, to use their GF3 as their mainstream card. If more new games can count on there being the DX8 feature supporting cards out there, then they will be written for them. That, in turn, will allow higher end users to justify newer and better cards, more so than just a raw speed increase.
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Bront the diplomat ;-)
Well, nVidia do have a bumped up old card. An ooooold card infact! the GF4mx... It is just stupid. You are right in saying it would've been better for the consumer if they tried to push the GF3 as the mainstream card, but those things use pretty much the same plants as the GF4 cards at not much of a lower cost. So making one GF3 card chip means making one less GF4 chip. Apparantly nVidia were in a position to release the GF4 chips since december last year! They held on until they made some profit from the existing GF3 chips, they already produced and then started an artificial shortage of the Chip much to the annoyance of several retailers.
This is the reason why they wanted not to produce the NV25 chip (as well as microsoft making them say the NV2A's power is closer to the NV30 :lol: ). But in light of the good competition from ATI they were forced to market the item. Too bad we are running out of companies able to do this. Imagination Tech opted for the quick buck rather than investing in research to compete with future offerings from the leaders. Bitboys have plenty of vaporware thats supposed to blast all future products from competitors to the stoneages. They seem to have had these vapor tech of theirs since the stone ages. Pity that.
Sounds like it will be just nVidia and ATI. Unless S3 can get their act together to compete in the mainstream (low-mid) arena. Matrox will have troubles, unless they can go into a specialist arena. I'm surprised why though, they make decent high quality products, why can't they work on the 3D part?
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Well, nVidia do have a bumped up old card. An ooooold card infact! the GF4mx... It is just stupid. You are right in saying it would've been better for the consumer if they tried to push the GF3 as the mainstream card, but those things use pretty much the same plants as the GF4 cards at not much of a lower cost. So making one GF3 card chip means making one less GF4 chip. Apparantly nVidia were in a position to release the GF4 chips since december last year! They held on until they made some profit from the existing GF3 chips, they already produced and then started an artificial shortage of the Chip much to the annoyance of several retailers.
This is the reason why they wanted not to produce the NV25 chip (as well as microsoft making them say the NV2A's power is closer to the NV30 :lol: ). But in light of the good competition from ATI they were forced to market the item. Too bad we are running out of companies able to do this. Imagination Tech opted for the quick buck rather than investing in research to compete with future offerings from the leaders. Bitboys have plenty of vaporware thats supposed to blast all future products from competitors to the stoneages. They seem to have had these vapor tech of theirs since the stone ages. Pity that.
Sounds like it will be just nVidia and ATI. Unless S3 can get their act together to compete in the mainstream (low-mid) arena. Matrox will have troubles, unless they can go into a specialist arena. I'm surprised why though, they make decent high quality products, why can't they work on the 3D part?
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