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Apple Blocking Intel Netbook CPUs in Mac OS X?

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November 2, 2009 5:04:28 PM

Seems like a stupid move. You'd think they'd want more people using their OS.
November 2, 2009 5:12:51 PM

It'd be a real shame if they're actively going to start stopping the hackintosh community. Stopping the low lives like Psystar trying to make a quick buck off Apple's and the open source hackintosh community's hard work is one thing but actively stopping the hackintosh community isn't so great. A lot of people that have hacked OS X onto their PCs in the past have gone on to buy genuine Apple hardware after all.

I'm hoping that this is just a case of something breaking while they've updated other things. The rumors were that they originally wanted to use the Intel Atom platform but decided they didn't like the performance and so bought out PA Semi to make their own chips. If that's true then the initial support for Intel Atom likely wouldn't get updated and so could break with an update of something else. That's what I hope's the case anyway.
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November 2, 2009 5:14:35 PM

Sad, just sad on Apple's part...

But it should be noted that Marcus posted a (possibly) negative article about Apple.
November 2, 2009 5:20:42 PM

To me, at least, it simply seems like a horrible waste of their time, effort and resources. I can't see an even negligible amount of netbook users actually making the conscious decision to go though the trouble of changing OSes.

Seems like they could be using those resources on better things, like how to make *yet* more things out of aluminum that really don't need to be.
November 2, 2009 5:30:30 PM

squidrottSeems like a stupid move. You'd think they'd want more people using their OS.


Ah yes, but then you wouldn't be *elite.* In Apple's eyes it's like putting an Aston Martin DB9 V12 in a Chevy Monte Carlo. The only difference is that Aston would probably just write the Monte Carlo off as 'cute' and move on instead of trying to find ways to make the motor mounts somehow impossible to install in any other car than an Aston. The only problem is, and Apple has yet to learn this yet, that there will always be a way as long as there are people around who care to find a way.
November 2, 2009 5:32:37 PM

for apple it's money! the hard way, you don't buy, you don't get it! they've been getting a little more competetive in terms of price recently, because people aren't willing to pay their ridiculous amounts of money their things cost, but still a long way to go. i'll never understand why they're doing such things which only ignite sparks of anger. it would benefit the company when more people are interested in os x. but you don't buy, you don't get it CASH CASH CASH! as said before, it's a sad story!
November 2, 2009 5:41:30 PM

If they did nothing to prevent OSX from running on non-Apples, there would be absolutely no reason to buy an Apple.
They make a FORTUNE selling overpriced hardware, the only appeal is OSX.
If OSX could run on a cheap netbook, now why would anyone pay for the overpriced Apple? Ofcourse they are going to try to stop hackintosh!
November 2, 2009 5:46:45 PM

Boo@Apple.
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November 2, 2009 5:54:18 PM

Long live Psystar.
November 2, 2009 6:08:02 PM

Well, Apple does make a majority of their money on hardware sales, not their operating system. As far as they're concerned, they consider their OS more of a feature of their computers rather than a public platform.
November 2, 2009 6:09:43 PM

Why would anyone want OSX on a netbook in the first place?
November 2, 2009 6:20:51 PM

This obviously has nothing to do with the fact that the vast majority of Hackintosh netbooks are using pirated copies of OS X Snow Leopard? Right? Right?
November 2, 2009 6:27:10 PM

... atom CPU is a junk anyway...
November 2, 2009 6:28:37 PM

Wow.. it's that true? how can be that possible, how are they going gain a bigger share of the market if they allow less users to run their stuff??
November 2, 2009 6:39:46 PM

I don't think Apple did it just to block hacked netbooks. Rumor has it their tablet was originally going to run an Intel Atom, hence the support for the processor. If they aren't going to use Atom processors in any of their hardware, they have no reason to bloat the OS to support it at the software level.

Everyone running OSX on a hacked netbook should go back to 10.5 Leopard to be safe. You wouldn't want to accidentally download the 10.6.2 update.
November 2, 2009 6:56:58 PM

Fuck Apple's Big Brother approach at this! If they would just stop being dicks about this kind of stuff, they would sell more copies of their OS!
November 2, 2009 6:59:29 PM

actually unlike windows with their 12 layer copy protection DRM passkey system that you must go through for every update, Apple doesn't have any of that for their OS. OSX is very easy to pirate because their license scheme almost has no DRM other than apple hardware. You could almost make an ISO of OS 10.6 and install it on any apple computer since Apple has nearly no OS license security.

I think Apple is just trying to cut down on their pirated OSX since a majority of the hackintosh users are not using store bought OSX.
November 2, 2009 8:39:09 PM

@kingssman updating is great on windows the only time you gota put in a cd key is at install and the only time you gota call windows is if you get a new motherboard and then you just tell em to move the cd key (iv done it many times)
November 2, 2009 9:08:56 PM

wildwellI don't think Apple did it just to block hacked netbooks. Rumor has it their tablet was originally going to run an Intel Atom, hence the support for the processor. If they aren't going to use Atom processors in any of their hardware, they have no reason to bloat the OS to support it at the software level.Everyone running OSX on a hacked netbook should go back to 10.5 Leopard to be safe. You wouldn't want to accidentally download the 10.6.2 update.


You're confused. You don't need software support for the processor, it runs x86 code. I can run Windows 2000 on it, and I'm pretty sure Microsoft didn't have software support for the Atom designed into it, since it predated it by more than half a decade.

It should work out of the box. Maybe it's deliberate (most likely), or maybe Apple just never bothered to test with it (unlikely, but possible). Either way, it's Apple's OS, and they can do what they want with it. I don't understand why people think somehow they have a right to tell Apple what they should do with something they created. They own it, the public doesn't.

Whether or not it's good for them in the long run though, is another question. Normally, when companies try this type of thing, it backfires and ends up being short-sighted. Not always, but most of the time.
November 2, 2009 9:35:02 PM

mcreskiller@kingssman updating is great on windows the only time you gota put in a cd key is at install and the only time you gota call windows is if you get a new motherboard and then you just tell em to move the cd key (iv done it many times)


I know! but i've taken hard drives out of Powermac G5's running OSX 10.4 and placed them into G4s and vice versa and never ran into a "license" issue at all. I've even "cheated" and put a box copy of 10.5 on both desktop and laptop using the same disk and install key. OSX license security is very relaxed because they use the "mac hardware only" rule as their method of DRM. That's also why OSX is only $69.00 and windows 7 is $194.99
November 2, 2009 9:38:18 PM

@Kinssman

10.6 is $39.99 full retail.
November 2, 2009 9:47:13 PM

and yet another apple item by marcus yam
November 2, 2009 10:09:37 PM

lashtonand yet another apple item by marcus yam


ffs stop it already, toms has clearly stated that they are gonna do apple articles - whether we want it or not - and Marcus must just be the staff member most in the know on apple related issues (and lord knows they have lots of 'issues'). its not like he's sneaking into toms at night trying to infect toms with Apple propaganda! As the comment above said, this is hardly a positive article!

As for the article, just brining to light more of Apple's anti competitiveness, and while hackintoshing does encourage more people to use OSX it doesn't encourage people to buy it, even using a legal copy with other hardware is against the EULA, so whats the point, may as well pirate it.

I just love it:

Jobs: "we aren't going to make a netbook, we just don't see a market for these 'crap' computers."

"Oh really? it seems like there are lots of people running OSX on existing netbooks?"

"Hmm... Just a sec..."
*BLOCK*BLOCK*BLOCK*
"There... What people?? As I said, there is NO MARKET!!"
November 2, 2009 10:25:44 PM

podsixTo me, at least, it simply seems like a horrible waste of their time, effort and resources. I can't see an even negligible amount of netbook users


Negligible? I've seen a lot of portable computers at my college, and so far, 2 of those have been laptops. The rest have been netbooks.

Maybe it's different everywhere else, but I see netbooks on planes, trains, and yes, automobiles: Public buses.
November 2, 2009 10:48:08 PM

As much as I loathe Apple and their practices, it's understandable (if you're a Mac fanboy) to limit their OS from untested platforms.

Their whole business model revolves around perception as in Macs are fast and they just 'work' (and thus needs the premium price). Can't have a cheap hardware platform harm their OS image... or worse yet, work exceptionally well!

This propaganda will continue as long as Apple are in business. I even have (otherwise smart) friends believing that their bootcamp installed Win7 will run faster than a comparable laptop. Completely neglecting that, that comparable laptop would cost hundreds less with a BETTER warranty. uggghhhhhhh
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November 2, 2009 11:15:22 PM

It just a hack away for a quick fix....
November 2, 2009 11:17:05 PM

Guess that means the HP 2133 isn't such a bad netbook after all...
November 3, 2009 12:22:45 AM

I think it's hilarious. Most software developers try to sell as many copies of their product as possible. Apple actively tries to PREVENT people from buying and installing theirs.

Hey, I'm a mac, and I hate the poor and middle class. Can't afford a $1,500 netbook? Too bad, you're not cool enough to be a mac."

Oh yeah? Well f&^k you Justin Long!
November 3, 2009 2:55:14 AM

d3adp0olI think it's hilarious. Most software developers try to sell as many copies of their product as possible. Apple actively tries to PREVENT people from buying and installing theirs.Hey, I'm a mac, and I hate the poor and middle class. Can't afford a $1,500 netbook? Too bad, you're not cool enough to be a mac."Oh yeah? Well f&^k you Justin Long!


So much fail and idiocy in this post.

1. People running hackintosh netbooks didn't buy the OS. Don't kid yourself. The vast majority of OS X netbooks are running pirated versions of OS X Leopard or OS X Snow Leopard. Apple isn't going to lose any software sales by disabling Atom support but they will certainly reduce the number of pirated copied of their software being downloaded.

2. $1500? You can get a brand new Macbook for $999 or a refurbished Macbook with a full one year warranty for $749. $749 for a Macbook isn't unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination and just happens to be 1/2 of the $1500 that you just pulled out of your ass.

The entry level price just isn't absurd anymore. But keep pulling out that argument and then inflating the price $500 to make it worthwhile.
November 3, 2009 6:29:54 AM

atom of course is slower than others and they are afraid the osx lightning image would get destroyed .
November 3, 2009 6:30:26 AM

in openness , linux > windows > osx .
November 3, 2009 8:12:59 AM

jebbadiahfor apple it's money! the hard way, you don't buy, you don't get it! they've been getting a little more competetive in terms of price recently, because people aren't willing to pay their ridiculous amounts of money their things cost, but still a long way to go. i'll never understand why they're doing such things which only ignite sparks of anger. it would benefit the company when more people are interested in os x. but you don't buy, you don't get it CASH CASH CASH! as said before, it's a sad story!


What's wrong with you? Of course it's about money. Apple is a company, the job of companies is to create value for their shareholders.

You'd be surprised how many companies adhere to the "if you don't buy it, you don't get it" line of thought.

It benefits Apple nothing if people install OSX (probably pirated) on their netbooks, it benefits them when people buy an Apple latop with OSX which people who run OSX on their netbook have no reason to do.
November 3, 2009 10:18:18 AM

KelavarusNegligible? I've seen a lot of portable computers at my college, and so far, 2 of those have been laptops. The rest have been netbooks.Maybe it's different everywhere else, but I see netbooks on planes, trains, and yes, automobiles: Public buses.


no, no... i know theres a growing market for them, look at the entire sentence. i was talking about netbook users actually giving a crap about changing OSes, not just netbook users in general.

"I can't see an even negligible amount of netbook users actually making the conscious decision to go though the trouble of changing OSes."
November 3, 2009 10:32:16 AM

squidrottSeems like a stupid move. You'd think they'd want more people using their OS.

They want that but as long as they use it corresponding to the EULA "wink, wink"
November 3, 2009 12:32:51 PM

taybSo much fail and idiocy in this post. 1. People running hackintosh netbooks didn't buy the OS. Don't kid yourself. The vast majority of OS X netbooks are running pirated versions of OS X Leopard or OS X Snow Leopard. Apple isn't going to lose any software sales by disabling Atom support but they will certainly reduce the number of pirated copied of their software being downloaded.2. $1500? You can get a brand new Macbook for $999 or a
refurbished Macbook with a full one year warranty for $749. $749 for a Macbook isn't unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination and just happens to be 1/2 of the $1500 that you just pulled out of your ass.The entry level price just isn't absurd anymore. But keep pulling out that argument and then inflating the price $500 to make it worthwhile.


You are either illiterate or just ignorant. First of all, pirated copies of OS X can't use apple update in the first place, since their copies can't be verified by Apple. So yes, Apple is losing LEGITIMATE sales from this policy.

Second, I said NETBOOK, not NOTEBOOK. Sure, you can get a used, out of date and underpowered macbook for $750, but this isn't a NETBOOK. The closest thing Apple has to this product range is the Air, which starts at $1500.

So shut you face and stop being such a mac fanboy. Or at least learn to read, you stupid ass.
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November 3, 2009 12:43:51 PM

Hey, I'm a mac, and I hate the poor and middle class. Can't afford a $1,500 netbook? Too bad, you're not cool enough to be a mac."d3adp0ol That's funny man!!!! Mad props to you....
November 3, 2009 1:20:19 PM

ryokinshin@Kinssman10.6 is $39.99 full retail.


Uhh, no it's not. It's $169 if you don't have 10.5 for the Mac Boxset. Only the 10.6 upgrade option is $29, so let's not paint the wrong picture here.

KingssmanThat's also why OSX is only $69.00 and windows 7 is $194.99


Windows 7 Home Premium from Newegg.com is $106.99. Ultimate will run you $174.99, which your average user doesn't need. The nice thing about Windows is you can actually shop around for it and find the best deal.
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November 3, 2009 1:23:44 PM

@d3adp0ol--Pirated copies of OSX certainly CAN get Apple updates! Where'd you get that (mis)information from??? "Verified by Apple"?? WTF???!!!

@tayb--speaking of pulling out old arguments, you might want to consider your truly beloved master, Apple, and how they feel their only way to market their products is by bashing the competition (by, as you put it, pulling out old arguments that not only are not true for PC, but certainly can apply to Apple's). Apple's marketing team better get to work on a new ad campaign because Windows 7 is going to give Apple a reason to change their "Windows sucks" mantra.
November 3, 2009 3:34:03 PM

Well we know from where it comes: APPLE, the 'more expensive PC'.
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November 3, 2009 6:27:31 PM

The $39.00 upgrade and the $169 boxset are the same disc. Do you think Apple will ever check the legitimacy of your license? Never. No serial numbers are ever entered for the OS or iWork or iLife. This is an Apple tradition, and I want to keep it that way. Compare this to what MS did with XP.

All this anger comes from the recognition of the superior OS. If you are a Windows user, why do you care? christop, you are an idiot.
November 3, 2009 7:13:21 PM

The reason they can't put their OS on a netbook becaues it requires almost the same ammount if not more than windows Vista. Yes I know people have already installed it but I guarentee it is not as peppy as it would be on a better system. Plus even if it did run well they wouldn't make a profit on it, they can't sell a netbook for under 900 bucks because of their apple hardware tax. Especially because the average netbook price is under 500 bucks.
November 4, 2009 3:41:56 AM

the_krasnoFuck Apple's Big Brother approach at this! If they would just stop being dicks about this kind of stuff, they would sell more copies of their OS!

How about Microsoft's, "Windows Genuine Advantage?" Talk about a big brother approach to selling an over priced OS.
November 4, 2009 3:56:12 AM

Eccentric909Uhh, no it's not. It's $169 if you don't have 10.5 for the Mac Boxset. Only the 10.6 upgrade option is $29, so let's not paint the wrong picture here.Windows 7 Home Premium from Newegg.com is $106.99. Ultimate will run you $174.99, which your average user doesn't need. The nice thing about Windows is you can actually shop around for it and find the best deal.

Wrong, OSX Snow Leopard is $29. There is no separate upgrade/full version.
The 5 license version ("Family Pack") is $49.
The $169 version you speak of is a bundle including the OS, Apple's business productivity software (iWork) and their popular iLife software.
November 4, 2009 11:21:49 AM

wildwellHow about Microsoft's, "Windows Genuine Advantage?" Talk about a big brother approach to selling an over priced OS.


but think of how much more people pirate windows vs OSX, I would have to say there are more pirated copies of windows than OSX in both pirated and non pirated copies.
November 4, 2009 11:39:09 AM

And to say the OS is overpriced because look at what you get, you get backwards compatible with legacy equipment dating back to god know when, and the latest and greatest hardware that comes out, 10.6 has to run on intel hardware. Plus your OS is able to use millions of different types of software (pretty much the reverse "there's an app for that" comercial between windows and mac).

What do you get with apple OS, practically the same look and feel as the previous 6 versions, with some kernel updates software bug fixes, and a few "new features". That being said OSX better be bulletproof because it would be sad if it wasn't because there is a hole division of your company you don't need because of their hardware.
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