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December 16, 2003 3:30:30 PM

I intend on building a new comp and would like to be able to install my 98se on it for the time being. How do I do this since everything is going to be different? Or, do I just go ahead and try to install and then delete the unecessary drivers. Any help at all on this would be great.

Thanks

forgot to mention that I have all the original cds for the old system.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by arthurh on 12/16/03 12:32 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
December 16, 2003 3:43:28 PM

Is it an actual 98 disk or a recovery disk from the Manufacturer of the origional computer. If its the full 98 disk then you shouldnt have any problems. Just use the cd key that came with the origional computer.
December 16, 2003 6:08:09 PM

I have both a system recovery disc that says I should start my comp with this cd in it. However, I have a 98se disc by itself. They came from gateway and in the past I've always had to use both to get my os reinstalled. On the 98 disc it says to contact the mfg of your pc for product support. That was why I asked about being able to use it on a new system. Can I just open this disc to see if it has anything from gateway on it? or just go ahead and try to install.

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December 16, 2003 8:08:12 PM

It's not likely that the recovery disk will work at all, but it won't hurt to try the second disk that you mentioned. You might have to boot with a 98 boot disk and start from DOS, to make it work though. As long as the 98 disk has the files you need to start the install, that is. For example, Startup.exe or setup. exe, or whatever. If that doesn't work, you can also copy the files that you need, from a system that works, to a cd, and install starting from a boot disk. I have actually done this useing an old HP computer that I had, and it works fine. But it's a little time consuming. If you need to know what files that you need, let me know. I have them on disk here somewhere.

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December 16, 2003 8:38:25 PM

Klutz, I appreiciate all the help I can get. How would I go about getting those files from you my friend?

Thanks!!

I've noticed that I could make a floopy emergency/startup disc. Is this what your talking about?
Anonymous
December 16, 2003 10:26:40 PM

If your Gateway is still working, you already have the files. All you have to do is copy them to cd. Basically, it's all the files in your "cabs" file that doesn't say gateway (or the equivelent) next to it, located in the "C:\Windows\Options\Cabs" directory. There are some specific files that you need, such as setup.exe, or whatever it is. I'll try to find a link because there are alot of them. Most all of them are in the "cabs" file though, if not all of them.
When I did this, all I did is copy and pasted my cabs file to the desktop or wherever. Then I opened the new cabs file and deleted anything that looked like I didn't need. Like files that had anything to do with HP or the drivers that came with the other computer. Then I copied the new cabs file to cd. Then put the cd in the new computer, booted from floppy, change directory over to your cd rom "cabs" file, and typed setup.exe (or whatever it is). I didn't know if it would work or not, but I was just messing around anyways. It ended up working, but I was mad that I had already bought XP six months before that.
Off to find a link for you.

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December 16, 2003 11:26:57 PM

Thanks for the help. As you can see, I'm on a steep learning curve here.
Anonymous
December 17, 2003 12:08:42 AM

I can't seem to be able to find the web site right now, but I'll keep looking. It's a web site called Easy Recovery, IIRC. In the mean time I found a notepad that I saved many, many moons ago with the files that you need, and a little extra info. I can't believe that I actually still have this. Here it is:

"If you have a Recovery CD from your computer manufacturer, the Recovery CD will install the Windows installation files (the Windows Cabinet file) to a folder, normally to C:\Windows\Options\Cabs or to C:\Windows\Options\Install. Open the Windows Explorer and look for them. Make sure you have the file Precopy1.cab. Then, check that you have a cab file with a number (?????2.cab) al l the way up to the last number. Each version of Windows is different. Windows 95 and 98 have a file named Precopy2.cab while Millennium has a file named Base2.cab. Windows 98 has Base4.cab while Windows 95 has Win_04.cab and Millennium has a file named Net4.cab. So you need to look for the sequence of numbers, not the name. In all versions, all the Win cabs use an underscore before the number.
Windows 95 normally goes up to cab file number 22 but your computer manufacturer may have added files, so you could have files up to 29 or even higher. Windows 98 has files up to 69. Here again, it could be higher. Millennium has files up to 22, again, there could be more. Each manufacturer has a different number of cabinet files. Once you have checked that these files exist, check that a setup.exe exists. Also,check for the file xmsmmgr.exe. If both of these files exist, then you probably have all the needed files to install Windows. If not, you may have deleted one or two, or even had a FAT error and the files disappeared on their own. In which case, you may need to reinstall Windows just to get these files.
Lets check it. Double click on setup and let Windows start to check your system and run Scandisk. Once Windows offers you a Cancel option, Cancel. If you got this far you probably have all the needed files. Create a folder named Win9x. Copy all the files from Windows\Options\Cabs to the Win9x folder on your CD burner (with a CD in it)."

The files you need:

BASE4.CAB
BASE5.CAB
BASE6.CAB
CATALOG3.CAB
CHL99.CAB
DELTEMP.COM
DOSSETUP.BIN
DRIVER11.CAB
DRIVER12.CAB
DRIVER13.CAB
DRIVER14.CAB
DRIVER15.CAB
DRIVER16.CAB
DRIVER17.CAB
DRIVER18.CAB
DRIVER19.CAB
DRIVER20.CAB
DRIVER21.CAB
EXTRACT.EXE
MINI.CAB
MSNET32.DLL Optional
NET10.CAB
NET7.CAB
NET8.CAB
NET9.CAB
PRECOPY1.CAB
PRECOPY2.CAB
RICHED20.DLL Optional
RICHED32.DLL Optional
SAVE32.COM
SCANDISK.EXE
SCANDISK.PIF Optional
SCANPROG.EXE
SCANREG.EXE
SETUP.EXE
SETUP.TXT Optional
SETUP0.WAV Optional
SETUP1.WAV Optional
SETUP2.WAV Optional
SMARTDRV.EXE
SUBACK.BIN
SUCATREG.EXE For SE
SUHELPER.BIN
USP10.DLL Optional
VDHCP.386 Optional
W98SETUP.BIN
WB16OFF.EXE
WIN98_22.CAB
WIN98_23.CAB
WIN98_24.CAB
WIN98_25.CAB
WIN98_26.CAB
WIN98_27.CAB
WIN98_28.CAB
WIN98_29.CAB
WIN98_30.CAB
WIN98_31.CAB
WIN98_32.CAB
WIN98_33.CAB
WIN98_34.CAB
WIN98_35.CAB
WIN98_36.CAB
WIN98_37.CAB
WIN98_38.CAB
WIN98_39.CAB
WIN98_40.CAB
WIN98_41.CAB
WIN98_42.CAB
WIN98_43.CAB
WIN98_44.CAB
WIN98_45.CAB
WIN98_46.CAB
WIN98_47.CAB
WIN98_48.CAB
WIN98_49.CAB
WIN98_50.CAB
WIN98_51.CAB
WIN98_52.CAB
WIN98_53.CAB
WIN98_54.CAB
WIN98_55.CAB
WIN98_56.CAB
WIN98_57.CAB
WIN98_58.CAB
WIN98_59.CAB
WIN98_60.CAB
WIN98_61.CAB
WIN98_62.CAB
WIN98_63.CAB
WIN98_64.CAB
WIN98_65.CAB
WIN98_66.CAB
WIN98_67.CAB
WIN98_68.CAB
WIN98_69.CAB
XMSMMGR.EXE
BASE2.CAB
CATALOG.CAB
DELTEMP.COM
DOSSETUP.BIN
DRIVER5.CAB
DRIVER6.CAB
DRIVER7.CAB
EXTRACT.EXE
FORMAT.COM
MINI.CAB
MSBATCH.INF Optional
MSLOGO.TTF Optional
NET3.CAB
NET4.CAB
OEMSETUP.BIN Optional
OEMSETUP.EXE Optional
PRECOPY1.CAB
ROBOCOPY.EXE
SAVE32.COM
SCANDISK.EXE
SCANDISK.PIF
SCANPROG.EXE
SCANREG.EXE
SETUP.EXE
SETUP.TXT Optional
SETUP0.WAV
SMARTDRV.EXE
SUBACK.BIN
SUBACK16.BIN
SUHELPER.BIN
W9XSETUP.BIN
WB16OFF.EXE
WIN_10.CAB
WIN_11.CAB
WIN_12.CAB
WIN_13.CAB
WIN_14.CAB
WIN_15.CAB
WIN_16.CAB
WIN_17.CAB
WIN_18.CAB
WIN_19.CAB
WIN_20.CAB
WIN_21.CAB
WIN_22.CAB
WIN_8.CAB
WIN_9.CAB
WIN_OL.CAB
WIN1024.BIN
WIN640.BIN
WIN800.BIN
WINME.BAT Optional
WINME.WMV
XMSMMGR.EXE

I hope this helps. I'll keep looking for that web site, and post it when I find it, if it still exists. They can explain all this better than I can.





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Anonymous
December 17, 2003 12:16:21 AM

Also, make sure that you have your product key code. It will work on your new computer. And make sure that you have a win98 boot disk to start from. If you don't have one:

<A HREF="http://www.bootdisk.com/" target="_new">Bootdisk.com</A>

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December 17, 2003 12:20:26 AM

Holy cow man, when you go after something you mean it! I'm going to get off here and check this out on my working gateway.

Thanks much.
December 17, 2003 12:33:22 AM

If you have a Win98SE installation disk really you're good to go, the restore disk is looked for by the bios of the old motherboard, but seeing as how you'll have a new motherboard, its BIOS will not be looking for the restore disk, so you can download and make a Win98SE floppy bootdisk to load the OP/SYS from the Win98SE installation disk.

You can download a bootdisk creator <A HREF="http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm" target="_new">HERE</A>you'll need the Win98SE OEM disk creator, download the disk creator and save it in My Documents, once the download is completed, put a formatted 3&1/2" floppy disk in the floppy drive, find the downloaded file in My Documents, double click to open the file and start the bootdisk creator, follow the instructions, it should default looking for the A drive, if the A drive is not your floppy drive, direct it to the floppy drive, it will create the bootdisk for you, you'll need further instructions, from this point, but I've got a couple of questions for you.

Are you planning on using the old hardrive, or do you have a new one?

List any hardware you may want to reuse?
December 17, 2003 1:09:26 AM

Check out your Win98SE CD installation disk to see if its a stand alone OEM install disk, put it in the CDROM drive, if it starts to autorun to the options screen as Win98 thats good but, close the autorun, go to My Computer find the CDROM with the Win98 disk, right click the CDROM icon with the Win98 disk and select explore, if its a genuine OEM install disk, this is what you'll see:

Folder named add-ons
Folder named drivers
Folder named win98
Folder named cdsample
Folder named tools
Textfile named readme
Textfile named setuptip
An autorun file
A computer ICON named setup(which is an .exe file)

If this is what you discover, congratulations, you have a Win98SE OEM installation disk.
December 17, 2003 1:48:58 AM

Ready for the best advice? Here goes:

1.) back up everything you need from your hard drive to another place.
2.) Boot off the 98SE CD and go to Command Prompt with CD support
3.) Look at the drive letter assigned to your CD drive at the top of the screen, I'll assume it's D:. Type "cd d:", then "cd win98", then "format C:"
4.) When it's done formating, type "md C:\WINN98"
5.) Type "copy d:\Win98 c:\win98"
6.) Type "cd c:", "cd Win98"
7.) type Setup.Exe

The reason I took you through these steps is so you'd have your entire settup directory on your C: drive. Now when you go to install other stuff, instead of asking for the Windows 98 CD it will retrieve it directly from your hard drive.

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December 17, 2003 9:43:16 PM

Thats what I have. It shows all the folders/files as you listed exactly.
No I will not be using any old hardware. This is for a completely new comp build, my first actually, with case ,psu, mobo, ect.

Thanks for the info.
December 17, 2003 9:52:04 PM

I thank you very much for that info. Question. Should I still get a boot disc, just in case I screw something up? I guess I'm showing my ignorance here, but I have learned that the only stupid question is the one not asked, and I sure ain't going to try and pretend anything else to you.

Thanks for that info. I've printed out this whole thread just to be on the safe side.
December 17, 2003 10:43:18 PM

No need for a Win98 bootdisk as long as you have the Win98 CD. The CD uses the same DOS version as the floppy. Set BIOS to boot from CD first.

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December 17, 2003 11:01:44 PM

Actually there are stupid questions, one guy asked if he could use the TV-Out on his video card to input video from a VCR to his PC. I guess the words "output" and "input" make no sense to him, but that's OK because he says his IQ is 160.

here's the stupidest part, he actuall said he knew it was a stupid question, then got mad at me for agreeing.

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December 17, 2003 11:39:47 PM

Well you sure got me on that one. Maybe his high IQ is in another field of expertise.lol I'll try very hard not too be that smart. I sure do like this Forum! Lots of interesting info all over the place.
December 18, 2003 11:36:52 AM

Great!

You're on your way!

When you go to install the Operating System.

Start up the machine, hold down the Delete key to enter the CMOS setup screen, or whatever key lower left of the bootscreen it says to use to enter the setup, follow the onscreen instructions (CMOS setup maneuvering instructions are usually bottom of setup window, sometimes at the top)in the CMOS setup.
First set the Date and Time.
Then enable setup Defaults.
Then set boot order to Floppy, CDROM, HDD0,(or it could be listed as A, CDROM, C)
Save the changes and exit the CMOS setup.
Restart the machine
Put the Floppy Bootdisk in before you startup the machine.
As the machine is coming up put the Win98 CD in the CDROM drive
Then follow the following instructions.


Its going to boot from the floppy first, and at the flashing A:\> prompt type FDISK and press Enter, when asked do you want to enable large disk support choose Yes, it will default to setup a Primary DOS Partition which will be selection 1 just give it your permission to do so by pressing enter through the stages, this will partition your drive for the Operating systems installation,(one little very important fact Crashman left out of his instructions, which would have stopped you dead in your tracks, and surprises me on his part, cause he doesn't usually leave out things like that.),after completing FDISK, exit the program by pressing the escape key, then shutoff the computer and restart it, (The computer must be restarted after running FDISK and partitioning the drive)leaving the Floppy bootdisk in the machine, let it come back up normally until the flashing A:\> prompt appears A:\> type FORMAT C: and press Enter(allow the space between format and the C) Give it permission to format the drive, this will take awhile( usually about 20Min for each 20 gig size of hardrive) when the Format completes press Enter.

This takes you to the flashing A:\> prompt, Type CD press Enter, type the CDROMS drive letter, {watch the screens load up information before it gets to the A:\> prompt it will tell you what CDROMS drive letter is}, its usually E:\ press Enter, (it could be F:\, G:\, H:\ depending on how many drives you have), that will change the A:\> prompt to E:\>, then type win98\setup and press Enter, follow the onscreen instructions from that point.

So to simplify the above
after the Format
Type
CD press Enter
Type
E:\ press Enter
Type
win98\setup press Enter

Follow the onscreen instructions from this point.


Any problems PM me
December 18, 2003 11:37:08 PM

OMG that's so back-assed. d00d, the 98SE CD is bootable, he should ignore your floppy convictions, set to boot from CD first, and use the CD to boot.

I actually gave him the best instructions, that is, format the drive, copy the Win98 directory to the hard drive, and run settup from the copy on his hard drive. The reason for this is simple: from that point forward he'll never need his CD again. The Win98 directory takes up less than 200MB.

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December 19, 2003 1:08:11 AM

Quote:
OMG that's so back-assed. d00d, the 98SE CD is bootable, he should ignore your floppy convictions, set to boot from CD first, and use the CD to boot.

I actually gave him the best instructions, that is, format the drive, copy the Win98 directory to the hard drive, and run settup from the copy on his hard drive. The reason for this is simple: from that point forward he'll never need his CD again. The Win98 directory takes up less than 200MB.


He said he was going with a new hardrive, it will have to be partitioned, you're free to call my instructions back-assed, but they're accurate and will get the job done, you at least need to give him instructions using your method, to partition the new drive.



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December 19, 2003 1:23:09 AM

Well, here goes one of those questions again. What do you mean by "partition the hdd"? I thought all I might have to do was format the hdd. I've replaced the hhd on my comp before and don't recall any instructions about having to partition it. Just showing my ignorance again.

Thanks
December 19, 2003 1:48:16 AM

Damn, new drive, missed that:
1.) after booting off CD to DOS with CD support, assuming the CD is D:, type "D:"
2.) type "cd win98"
3.) type "fdisk"
4.) follow the prompts
5.) reboot and follow the original instructions

hehe.

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December 19, 2003 1:49:05 AM

I should have mentioned before that on the CD, Fdisk isn't in the root directory, it's in the Win98 directory

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December 19, 2003 1:50:01 AM

I should also mention that if you just boot to settup on a new drive, it will run automatic partitioning and make that partition a measly 2GB. Hence the need to use fdisk.

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December 19, 2003 2:06:18 AM

A new hardrive needs to be partitioned and the partition set active to be able to write to it, sometimes pretested hardrives are already partitioned, so you can go ahead and format one thats already prepartitioned in FAT32, but usually new drives are blank and FDISK has to be run to partition the drive, most common partitioning is to set the entire drive as the Primary DOS partition, that way the entire drive is available for the Operating system to use.
December 19, 2003 2:11:15 AM

What size hardrive are you getting in Gigabytes?
December 19, 2003 2:15:33 AM

crashman, Why is a hdd partitioned, and why would you want more than 2GB? Or will this become obvious once I understand partitioning?

Thanks
December 19, 2003 2:23:10 AM

40Gb is all he wants for now. He thinks he may want to copy DVD in the future, but still believes 40GB will do. I have tried to explain how easy it would be to fill up a 40GB hdd now adays concedering how much room you need for the newer games. But his budget(and mine for now)can't allow him anything larger. I suspect that once he starts using this comp he'll become a believer.
December 19, 2003 4:07:31 AM

When you buy a new drive, it's completely blank. Partitioning it adds a file system. The size of the partition will be the amount of usable space for that drive letter.

So you creat a partition, then you format it.

If your drive was already being used, it would have a partition already, you could format it to erase it.

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December 20, 2003 2:00:56 AM

Once again I thank you. I believe I'm understanding this much better now. My brain does seem to get stuck evry now and then.lol I also feel that I will be able to follow these instructions I've recieved correctly as well. I intend on posting my specs for this build in the CPU section before ordering just to make sure I've not over looked something.
December 20, 2003 2:39:41 AM

OK. Quick rehash (specific commands to type are listed in previous post).
1.) Set BIOS to boot off CD
2.) boot off 98 CD to DOS mode with CD support
3.) Change the A: prompt to the drive letter of the CD
4.) Change directory to Win98
5.) Type Fdisk and follow prompts
6.) Reboot when prompted and follow steps 1-3 again.
7.) typs Format C: and follow prompts
8.) make a Win98 directory on C:
9.) copy the Win98 directory from the CD to the Win98 directory on C:
10.) Change to c:\win98
11.) run setup.

It's usually done from the CD, but by copying the directory to C: and running settup from there, you'll no longer need access to the CD.

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December 20, 2003 2:51:34 AM

Very good summary. I've made my print outs of all this info for future ref.

Thanks
Anonymous
December 20, 2003 12:32:26 PM

I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear. My instructions are only for if you can't install from the cd. I don't know about gateway, but with a HP or compaq cd (along with some others) you would have to get the files that you need from a working installation of the O/S. The best way that I can tell you to check it out, is to put the cd in a non gateway computer, and try to boot from it. If it works, great. Because that is the easiest way to do it. If it doesn't work however, and you get a message saying something like "This is not a Gateway computer", you'll have to copy the files I posted to a cd and access the cd via floppy.

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December 20, 2003 7:03:56 PM

He said he has 2 disk, a Restore disk and a Windows98 CD. A lot of OEM sytems came with a standard Windows 98 OEM CD wrapped up in the MS shrinkwrap with the Win98 book and licence.

The Windows98 OEM CD is bootable and not tied to any specific manufacturer's configuration.

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