jlbigguy... heres the new thread

I, also being a brit, replied:

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And, so, here’s the new thread...

I know the overall aim has been to "eliminate" terrorism, but how do you focus on the task? By bombing one of the poorest nations on the world? So far the people that have been killed are the talibans, NOT the Al Qaeeda group. Remember, they weren't the people that allegedly carried out the attack. Now the talibans weren't exactly good people, but they didn't deserve to be masacred either. Even the innocent people in Afghanistan had more deaths from the bombs than Al qaeeda.

What state is Afghanistan in now? Have you heard about the mass executions carried out by the northern alliance? You see, their not a model government either. In mazar-e-sharif, they executed over a hundred foreign people that were fighting for the taliban. People that had already surrendered and were under their arrest.

Have you heard about the previous warlords reclaiming their provinces, "leaders" that wouldn't easily give up the control to a legitimate government?

Or, have you heard about between the "minor" fallout between Blair and Bush as Blair wanted help in convincing the Northern alliance leaders to allow a larger peace keeping force to in place. But, Bush thought it would jeopardise the agreement with them to have 1500 US Marine troops searching for Bin laden.

The northern alliance would allow troops searching for bin laden because it is none of their concern, while a peace keeping force threatens to limit the amount of power they have now. A peace keeping force would mean eventually giving up the majority of their power to a neutral government. Keep in mind that they are a small minority with a wish to rule the entire country, even the majority pashtun regions.

So, have I seen the people rejoicing, listening to music on the airwaves, obsorbing(sic) simple pleasures of television and movies, women showing their faces and men shaving their beards? I'll have to say yes. But have I also seen UN reports of several massacres, and cold blooded killing of surrendered soldiers? I'd have to say yes on that count too.

Now was the taliban a terrorist government that sponsored and brewed terrorism? You're not gonna like what you're about to hear...

The taliban was a strict, unfair, and perhaps a criminal government, but where they the ones that brewed these terrorists? No. Who was it then? Now the answer to that question is the USA. Osama Bin Laden is a product of the USA foreign policy. He was created by the US military and CIA to fight the Russians and communism as a whole. Once Russia weakened out, and the cold war started slowing, he was abandoned along with his soldiers, perhaps with a simple word of thanks. He started getting pissed off and so decided to use his American trained skills to new purposes.

Now why do I think this war is aimless? After all, a lot of people think USA has its right to have revenge. Well, I think it will incite more terrorism than it will eliminate. Today, you'll find very few people that don't know who bin laden is and will also find many of the more militant types already consider him a martyr. Now even if he dies it will do nothing but serve American satisfaction and as a cause for more people to join in this militant extremism. It will give birth to countless more bin ladens.


You say now even the Muslim world is denouncing him, but he was almost always denounced. His Saudi citizenship was stripped and he was deported, years ago. Is he now isolated from the rest of the world? in a way he always has been, but in a way he always seemed to keep up to date on things.

You say this "war" will not end in Afghanistan. The other day, Bush mentioned a list of terrorist countries that could be next. If that list is pursued, don't think that the "coalition" (read: UK) will be behind you on that one. Tony Blair has already said that, he doesn't intend to launch military strikes on any other country. But, then again, he also said neither does the USA. Bush and Rumsfeld, however, seem to be showing a totally different tone of voice.

Also, what about the Terrorism against other countries and other people? They seem to be brushed over. The people in Chechnya are having a hard time as it is, now it seems the Russians will have an even easier ride. The Palestinians have been getting shelled to death under the cover of a media diversion. And the hand of the British government seems to much softer towards the IRA, even though the Real IRA (who by the way have been funded from a Boston charity for years) have been carrying out renewed car bomb attacks.

Am I member of a terrorist cell? Well, I'll just say, I don't like being told how to think, no matter how ideological the teller may be, no matter which country teller rules.


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<font color=blue>"I know the overall aim has been to "eliminate" terrorism, but how do you focus on the task? By bombing one of the poorest nations on the world? So far the people that have been killed are the talibans, NOT the Al Qaeeda group."</font color=blue>

What is the difference between the Taliban and Al Qaeeda? They are one and the same. Bin Laden has done a tremendous job in creating a Terrorist nation, whose major export (besides drugs) is terrorism. Who was really in control of Afganistan? The Taliban, Bin Laden, or both?

As for bombing and killing only Taliban (or Al Qaeeda), that has been the aim. There has never been so much care taken by any country in any war to ensure that as little civilian casualties as possible are to occur. As for the civilians killed in the WTC, Bin Laden replied that they were not civilians, since they worked for the American System. So there are no civilians in America. We are all targets. Each Taliban and Al Queeda that survives is a threat to the civilized world.

<font color=blue>"But have I also seen UN reports of several massacres, and cold blooded killing of surrendered soldiers?"</font color=blue>

Yes, there have been massacres. But when you are told to drop arms and surrender, and you don't, you deserve to be killed. This is a war. The Northen Alliance is not that different from the Taliban in that life has little to no meaning. Why does that come as a surprise? Hopefully, the new government erected will be more moderate then both the Taliban and the Northern Alliance. Perhaps they will learn from mistakes of the past.

<font color=blue>"Now why do I think this war is aimless? After all, a lot of people think USA has its right to have revenge. Well, I think it will incite more terrorism than it will eliminate."</font color=blue>

Really? Do you think that doing nothing (like we did in the 1993 bombing of the WTC) will end the terrorism? Perhaps if we took action then like we are taking action now, the WTC would still be standing and 5,000 innocent people would be home with their families. The last thing we can do is nothing.

<font color=blue>"You say now even the Muslim world is denouncing him, but he was almost always denounced. His Saudi citizenship was stripped and he was deported, years ago. Is he now isolated from the rest of the world? in a way he always has been, but in a way he always seemed to keep up to date on things."</font color=blue>

What about today? Is he more isolated? Who will take him in, knowing the consequences? Sadaam perhaps?

<font color=blue>"You say this "war" will not end in Afghanistan. The other day, Bush mentioned a list of terrorist countries that could be next. If that list is pursued, don't think that the "coalition" (read: UK) will be behind you on that one. Tony Blair has already said that, he doesn't intend to launch military strikes on any other country. "</font color=blue>

This war will be fought on many fronts, and in many ways the most important front is the financial one. Freezing the financial assets of a terrorist organization is the most effective way of drying them out. This will take time, and cooperation of many nations. At the same time, as terrorist leaders and cells are identified, they must be destroyed, be it by air strikes, or secret missions. If we are to be alone in this matter, to secure our safety and our way of life, then so be it (please note that these are my views only and not necessarily those of the US government).

<font color=blue>"Also, what about the Terrorism against other countries and other people? They seem to be brushed over."</font color=blue>

This has been true. We have looked away as we were never a target. But we now have had blood on our land, in an act of tyranny even greater then that of Pearl Harbour. Sometimes it takes a terrible event to get us to respond. But we have responded, and the goal is to eliminate terrorism world wide. This will take years. Afganistan is the first step. We will have to wait and see where the next step leads.

What do you propose that Britain does about the 260 British citizans that were killed in the WTC? Shouldn't Britain take steps to ensure that this type of mass murder never occurs again?

I have faith in the governments and military forces of the United States and Britain. They are privy to much more information then we will ever see or know, and have acted with reserve and restraint. You can thank God that I (and many other civilians) am not in control of our military. Afganistan and most of the middle east would be a glowing wasteland by now......

<font color=blue>This is a Forum, not a playground. Treat it with Respect.</font color=blue>

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Taliban and Al Qaeeda the same? This is where you've been taken in by your governemnts propaganda. They are not at all the same. The talibans are mostly pashtuns, with mainly pakistani influence. The Al Qaeeda are mainly arabs with other international "soldiers". They are not the same in ideology, they are not the same in their intentions, hell, they're not the same even in appearence. Whether or not you open your eyes to see the difference is a different matter and actually part of the problem.

Until recently, the aim of the war wasn't to eliminate the taliban, but to eliminate Bin Laden along with the Al Qaeeda network. Even reports before the war most of the Al Qaeeda camps are deserted and heavily damaged from previous wars and bombings. They said that the new bombs will just disturb the dusts there. The thing is that it was known that Bin Laden is in Afghanistan with a hand full of Al Qaeeda members. If I remember correctly, bush said something about going into afghanistan like the wild west and bringing bin laden out dead or alive. There were also some muttering about smoking him out of the caves. It looks like they smoked till they were high and decided to go with the wild west option.

The soldiers I mentioned had already surrendered. they were not "told to drop arms and surrender", they were already under arrest. Then they were in a mass execution. I don't believe you're actually trying to defend the northeren alliance. Why not? they are, afterall, the ones supporting the US action.

"The new government"? Sorry, I wasn't aware there is already a solution to the Afghanistan government problem.

Bin laden seems to have mastered the art of staying in isolation, only appearing when he sees the need. Many people think he already may be in Pakistan or Turkmenistan, While the CNN reports it will be extremely difficult finding him in the "SOPHISTICATED" cave structure. Sophisticated...

Why does almost every single american think the alternative to bomb the hell out of someone is to do nothing? It doesn't have to be that way. what about listening to outside voices before things get bad? what about only slight attempts at diplomatic resolutions. The current policy of screwing everyone else to keep yourself at the top is what feeds the militant fire. Besides, I'm sure there were some CIA involved military action after that WTC event.

Britain has been under terrorism attack from the IRA for a long time. But this attack on america, for some reason, seems to have taken away many of our civil liberties. I guess the Terrorists are partly winning.

I don't think the USA will do much about terrorism that will not affect them. For example, they just did a deal with the russians to totally ignore what they do to chechnyans. go figure.


The US haven't shown restraint in their actions. I wouldn't call dropping BLU-82s, showing restraint. These things are some of the heaviest bombs in your arsenal.

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Someone is suspect of a crime, his friend will not give him up without proof. They both deserve the same punishment? No propaganda indeed.

BBC Reporters were, UN reporters were. I believe, "massacred in a school, blindfolded" was the phrase they used.

It seems to me that the Northern Alliance Warlords seem to have claimed that role. In their own regions at least, and also in places outside their "natural" areas. Will they be replaced in a hurry? I think not.

Amongst the independantly verified, two Red Cross depots - one of them hit twice, One red cresent clinic, One Hospital and One mosque, as well as a number of villages.

I think they are. Except for the neuclear selection. But not even the Great US will get away with going neuclear on this war.

In most circumstances, a request for the russians to stop or just a diplomatic discussion would suffice instead of the usual refusal to comment with a attitude of see no evil, hear no evil.

I don't recall seeing any bombs being dropped in Northern Ireland. There always seem to be room for discussions there. Even after the real IRA once gave a bomb warning to have the people gathered and actually planted the bomb in the gathering point. There were nothing more than talks there. The Sinn Fein are even recognised as a legitimate political party. How come the "those who harbour terorrists are terrists" policy doesn't kick in here.

The response is always selective, and the skin colour and beliefs of the suspects does play a major role in the response, despite of how much spin they put on.

Its not like the first time this has happened. There have been countless terrorist attacks from the IRA. No changes in the laws. Again, would these dangerous changes like the RIPA here and carnivore in the US helped? Certainly not! In fact carnivore has been operation for quite a few months. It didn't seem to help though.

The real thing is, none of the discovered communication were actually encrypted. They were in arabic, and the US simply just didn't have enough translaters to work through them. According to some security consultants, at the current rate it would take over 20 years to go through the entire NSA interceptions. So, they already seem to be snooping around quite a bit. with what result? They didn't even see the attack coming.

Why not? And why not also stop making the temporary short term alliances, one of which gave birth to the reasons of todays bin laden. Memory seems to be pretty short in these circumstances.


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When mistakes happened, there was nothing in pentagon press conferences other than strong denials or refusals to comment. It was only when independant UN officials accounted the incedents the pentagon acknowledged them and "admitted" they had insufficient intelligence to confirm it before.

There were some reports that redcross station was raided, not used as a supply station, by talibans. But once they got the hang of this propaganda thing, with the presence of the press, they decided to release the remaining contents.

And, for each of the pointed out "collatoral damages", there were no reports of intermingling of military with civilian, but only of the "smart bombs" not being smart enough or insufficient intelligence on ground. The latter added by the Press, namely the BBC and The Guardian.

But, the US didn't see any problems training him in what he knows today, training him as a terrorist against the soviets.

cough...<pre>vietnam</pre><p>...cough

There you go again showing ignorance in the distinction between different "others".


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The IRA has been at large for many years. Maybe if we took the same line as the US in this situation long ago - well - Tony wouldn't do that. He needs a bit of a shove in the right direction - he is a weak man who likes to be surrounded by his stronger politicians.

<font color=green><b>AMD</b></font color=green> 'cos my computers worth it!

First of all it's important to note that no matter what we say in here nobody will agree.

Anyways.

Terrorism has gone too far. It has to be stopped. The biggest issue concerning the world though is how do we get rid of it, and what defines a terrorist and what defines a freedom fighter?

In China you have muslim "freedom fighters"
In Russia you have Chechen "freedom fighters"
In Israel/Palestine you have Palestinian "freedom fighters"
In the UK you have IRA "freedom fighters"
In Iraq you have Kurd "freedom fighters"
In the balkans you have all kinds of "freedom fighters"
Need I name the philipines and others?

The list goes on. Who draws the line?

Whatever happened to the days of building an empire and/or an army and fighting for your freedom? Has it been replaced by cowards who will kill civilians to make a mute point? The palestinians will never win, the Kurds will never win, the Chechens will never win. Osama bin Laden is a dead man and his cause has gained no support. Terrorism is a powerfull tool, but it doesn't work. It doesn't matter how many people you kill, you still don't win.

Terrorists confuse gorilla warfare with the killing of civilians. Gorilla warfare is a tool that actually works. It works because you can win against an army and thus occupy and take over a territory. What Al queda did did nothing to stop the USA. It only made it worse. They gained no land, gained no support, gained no political power, gained no financial wealth, they gained nothing but the destruction of their infrastructure and the end of their organization. Chechens lose scores of people each time they bomb in Moscow. The Chinese are ruthless in their retaliation. Israel will not even sit down and give the Palestinians a chance at their own nation until they stop shooting and bombing. Terrorism doesn't work.

Nonetheless, I think it can be argued both ways on what a terrorist is. The lack of religious freedoms in China has led to so called terrorists for example. The Kurds can hardly be called terrorists unless you are Sadaam Husein himself. The Israelis aren't exactly innocent by anyones definition, but they hold all the cards, all the territory, and the palestinians have made a mark for themselves by turning down territory in the past in favor of war. The Chechens don't really belong in Russia, but Russia giving up Chechenia is like the USA giving up Hawaii; it's not going to happen.

Education will solve most problems, but not right now. Right now I have to agree that just wiping out hotspots is the best way to go about it. The USA has an army for a reason and we are using it wisely. Whether or not their is colateral damage or not is not an issue. That is part of war and I think it's fair to say that Afghanistan was given ample opportunity to avoid any conflict. I think it's also safe to say that Iraq will be the next target unless they allow weapon inspectors back in. I also think it's safe to say that their will be many more targets as long as groups and governments continue to support the widescale destruction of civilian life.

<font color=red>God</font color=red> <font color=blue>Bless</font color=blue> <font color=red>America!</font color=red>

In china there are all sorts of freedom fighters as the most peacful demonstration can get a watercannon treatment. Anything more and you have teargas, then rubber bullets, then live ammo and not always in that order either.

Russia is also severly screwed up as multiple sources external to russia have reason to believe that it was the Russian FSB who planted some of the bombs in moscow. Just to have an excuse to launch an assault on Chechnya. What with the KGB and FSB getting Bomb production techniques from the IRA and all.

israel doesn't want to give the Palistians a state of their own, Full Stop! They just make dud offers on terms they know will be unacceptable to the Palistinian people. They don't just "turn down territorry in favor of war." The Palistinians are oppressed people that are given virtually no rights. They are frequently attacked in israels "preemptive strike" policy. when they are attacked, people aren't arrested, but villages are destroyed, children killed. What are the Palistinians supposed to do? sit back and wait?

You defend Americas actions. A country that has every option in the book bombing a country left right and center, "Whether or not their is colateral damage or not is not an issue". Yet, people with no option in Palestine making an attempt at defending and freeing their country are so heavily villified, more so in the U.S than in UK and the rest of Europe. How is that explained?

I don't think, any of the IRA groups refer to them selves as freedom fighters, though they do have that aim. Lets just say their just lucky they're not muslim. And what about the Loyalist Army?

Only because Iraq isn't an Oil Producer or other "Ally" for America. If it were, the Kurds just would've been just like Palistinians.

So, once again America becomes the self appointed global police?



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I thought your thirst would've been quenched from us helping you in your attacks. Anyway Goeff Hoon, after a talk with rumsfeld, has mysteriously changed his mind about sending troops to kabul to help look after things. People here are saying, the Northern Alliance would see that as a threat to them from keeping power from a neautral, more representative government. As their expulsion from power is almost guaruanteed, since most of the people are pashtuns. This might aggrevate them and may stop them co-operating with the US troops killing talibans.

Oh? when have the taliban made threats against the US?

Yeah... The muslim people (and the sikhs, who apparently cannot be distinguished from bin laden by some americans) were hurt and injured from the racial divides getting smaller too quickly. They weren't attacked at all.

I thought life was going on as usual with nothing out of the ordinary. Yesterday on news, they showed this british guy being jailed in one of new yorks worst jails, cause he joked he doesn't have a bomb.

So, you don't try to understand any one elses point of view. And you think thats how all this will stop...

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<b>The circumstances surrounding the bomb attacks, which devastated two blocks of flats last year with many casualties, have never been clarified. There are persistent rumours that the secret service FSB was behind the attacks, and there was even some evidence to substantiate this. A number of FSB agents were caught red-handed as they were preparing another bomb attack. They talked their way out of trouble, however, by claiming that they were just practising an exercise to test the alertness of the general population.</b>
<A HREF="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/aug2000/bomb-a21.shtml" target="_new">http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/aug2000/bomb-a21.shtml</A>

<b>FSB officers were caught red-handed while planting the bomb. They were arrested by the police and they tried to save themselves by showing FSB identity cards.’</b>
<A HREF="http://cryptome.org/putin-bomb5.htm" target="_new">http://cryptome.org/putin-bomb5.htm</A>

<A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_679000/679997.stm" target="_new">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_679000/679997.stm</A>

<A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:mHwwDSNKdrM:www.insightmag.com/archive/200003246.shtml+fsb+arrested+bomb+moscow&hl=en" target="_new">http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:mHwwDSNKdrM:www.insightmag.com/archive/200003246.shtml+fsb+arrested+bomb+moscow&hl=en</A>


Thats enough links showing the FSB getting caught red handed. About the palestinians, What was happening before the intifada? Were the israelis all good intentioned back then? were they willing to give the Palestinians equal rights let alone returning their land? No, would be the answer. they forcefully occupy land, do as they please and get away with it. Everybody just watches by because USA has a vested interest in israel. Getting rid of arafat wouldn't solve anything. The people are tired, chances are he might be replaced with one of the new generation; one whos seen nothing more than Israeli gunships and tanks entering his country and killing innocent people. What about sharone? he should've been done for genocide for his acts during his military career. He's done no less than karadjich.

So, if they don't co-operate, you kill them. Why does the phrase "act of terror" come to mind? Again like I've said before, its fine when we do unto them, but terrible when they do to us. Also, you're saying if they have any power, then they're worth negotioating with, otherwise screw them. In that case I'm all for third world countries getting neuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction. If it makes the west at least acknowledge them, and gives their lives some worth in the eyes of the west, it would be an accomplishment.



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(someones running out of words. ) Its your president who keeps saying life in America is as normal as ever before, there is no reason to go about life any differently. Could it be that his head is up his ass, as you put it...?

Its not only you(USA) and the terrorists that have points of view, but others as well. Others, almost everyone outside america, say that Americas foreign policy needs to change. But their points of view doesn't matter if it doesn't earn america a quick buck or help them in have their way.

And, btw, I've never heard the taliban make threats against the US anywhere. Except from your alleged quote. Why do you think the Taliban couldn't exist without Bin Laden? How did they exist before? Why couldn't the WTC attack not happen without the Taliban? Were any of the alleged onboard terrorists taliban? Were any of them even Pashtun? or even Afghanistani? Where DO you get your facts?

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Isn't you're argument just as absurd as the terrorists that they'll be getting so many virgins jsut for killing americans. If we leaved them alone from the start, they wouldnt've bother us in the first place.

Anyone with half a brain could tell that the part about the payperview was a joke at current attitudes. Apparantly you missed it. LOL!



<font color=blue><b>Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?</b></font color=blue>

And the specific guys your gov't have pinned the blame on... How long were they in Afghanistan? Were they ever in Afghanistan? or Were they mostly in USA and other European countries?

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Depending on what you consider a threat, my "Food for Thought: The Propaghanda War" thread has an interesting threat. I don't buy that one though as the title suggests.

Also, I think it's his 1998 interview, Osama Bin Laden threatened all Americans; civilians included. He prophesized that the USA would break up into seperate states like the former Soviet Union and that a glorious Islamic nation would be formed.

Also, the Taleban themselves threatened the USA that they would be destoyed shortly but gave no details.

<font color=red>God</font color=red> <font color=blue>Bless</font color=blue> <font color=red>America!</font color=red>

What do you mean "what WILL they do?", don't you think enough has been done? who am I kidding, of course you don't. They'll look the other way as the USA arial bombs more prisoners where some of them revolted but some of them had their hands behind their back. They'll even probably look the other way if the USA decides to bully other countries without proof.

On the plus side, they wan't to put a peace keeping force in kabul and other regions. Which, as I've said before, they weren't allowed to do by USA as it may upset the Northern Alliance, who might not co-operate with the US forces looking for the rest of the Talibans/Al Qaeeda. The British Gov't claim that they'll help redevelop and not turn their backs on Afghanistan after this time. They'll try to keep a diplomatic door open to the previoulsy shunted countries in the middle-east. They'll try to pressure the Americans to pressure Israel into pulling out of Palestine. Thats what they say they'll do. What really happens is another matter. What happens with the Northern Ireland Issue is also another matter and a bigger one for those of us living in UK, especially in England.

Well, If you wanted to know if they're willing to bomb the hell out of any other countries or attack them in any other way, I'm afraid you'll have to leave dissapointed. Even if they did keep that as an option, they'll face too much opposition. Something people here can freely do without getting the Answering machines filled with threats.



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A strife between nations conducted by force involving open hostility and suspension of ordinary international law. Mind you, not the laws of the Geneva War Conventions.

Whats your definition?


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None of the taliban revolters had their hands behind their backs. They broke into the weapons hold and murdered some of the northern alliance soldiers. The SAS and northern alliance then surrounded the fort and Fought back. Not one of the 480 odd taliban were left alive. A few US marines were injured in a friendly fire incident involving a stray bomb - but they are OK.

On entering the fort they found some of the taliban's prisoners who had been executed by the taliban for "listening to the radio despite being warned three times".
I say murder every single Taliban member who is out there. I don't give a sh!t about scum like that. If I had the oppurtunity I would be out there myself.

<font color=green><b>AMD</b></font color=green> 'cos my computers worth it!

Have you read Thursdays Guardian? Have you seen the pictures. Haven't you had a single look at the news reports? A great number of them had their hands tied behind their backs.

Besides, It is the duty of the captor to ensure that the prisoners have no weapons concealed on their person. It is also the responsibility of the captor to ensure the safety of the prisoners.


DHLUCKE:
Have you ever heard of the Geneva Conventions?


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A guy breaks into your house and kills half your family. You have him pinned down to the house down the street. They offer to turn him over to the police.

You know that there are others that will kill the rest of your family that also live in that house.

They hate you since you're friends with the old lady across the steet with the cats that dig up their yard.

What do you do? Do you take care of both the killer and the people in the house when you have the chance or do you let the police handle it?

Difficult decision for some.

The USA is in a position to clean up the scum once and for all.

<font color=red>God</font color=red> <font color=blue>Bless</font color=blue> <font color=red>America!</font color=red>

It is your duty to disarm the POW. It is your duty to "protect" the ones youve tied up for what ever CIA interrogation technique that was being used.

<font color=red><i>99% of statistics are made up!</i></font color=red>

Too easy man. You're describing me almost as if I was an typical American, like yourself perhaps.

Here... Have a look at <A HREF="http://www.bigeye.com/111101.htm" target="_new">this</A>. This, as candid as it may be, sums up some pretty obvious points.

Er.. I do believe it was a flat out refusal. With the likes of, he has to be handed over to us, where we can blah blah blah yaddar yaddar and so on and so forth...




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The bottom line is that you would rather live with the terrorism in your country then to do something about it.

Talk? Look at Israel today. Negotiate? While terrorist attacks continue, targeting innocent civilians?

Yet you seem to think it would be different with Afganistan. Negotiate with them, do not strike back, while they plot yet further destuction in our country.

We are made of sterner stuff then you. When we are presented with a threat, we will take whatever action is necessary to defend ourselves and protect our future generations.

What will happen in Israel? The Palistanians will suffer because of the terrorists. If you think our action in Afganistan is extreme, then you may have a breakdown over what Israel may do. They are far less tolerant then the United States. The actions of the terrorists against Israel will justify any action Israel takes, and the death of any innocent Palistenians will be the fault of the terrorists, not of Israel. I cannot speak for anyone else in my country, but I will support ANY action that Israel takes.

So continue to relish in my "bloodthirst". But the results will speak for themselves. The future will reveal who will still live in fear of terrorism, and who will live free.

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The bottom line is, I'd rather not be murdering hundreds of people left, right and center in the chance that one of them may be linked with a terrorist group which is being ACCUSED of commiting a crime.

Thats a totally different situation altogether. And judging by the amount of ignorance you have shown thus far, I simply don't believe you are entitled to any remarks in the matter. Hold no grudges, I just don't believe you know much about the world that exists outside the U.S borders.

However I will respond. Today? have you seen Palestine yesterday, the days, weeks, months, years before. Do you know of the past apartheid in South Africa? Do you acknowledge it? Well, that is what happens nowadays in Palestine, with its people heavily oppressed by israel with the blessing of America.


What will happen now? The Palistinians will suffer as they always have. More and more of them will be murdered by Israelis. Any attempt at a response will be called an act of terrorism by Israel, and be seconded by America due to their interests in israel.

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