Tricky XP network sharing issue (advanced)

[TonyG]

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Sorry, this is longwinded, but I want to give as much info as possible as I
have been trying to fix this for months and feel I am now close to a
resolution ... with just a little more input.

I have three PCs - one XP Pro with ICS, another XP Pro and a Win 2K, all
connnected in the same workgroup via an 8-port hub. All shared well when all
were Win 2K, but since XP it's been really bad. Both XP installs are fresh
(not upgrades).

All machines can share XP Pro's ICS connection, which is Windows Firewalled.
There are no other firewalls, including on the LAN connection of the ICS
machine.

The two XP machines can see and read/write shares on Win 2K machine. The XP
Pro with ICS and the Win 2K machine can both see the shares on the other XP
Pro machine. Neither can see shares on the XP Pro machine running ICS.

Sometimes I get a username/password window come up (e.g. if I try to direct
share the printer on the XP ICS PC by naming it), but otherwise I just get
the "don't have permissions" dialogue. The Admin user and one other user are
common (user/pw) on all three machines, by the way.

The second XP Pro machine would not share either at first. I got it to share
by installing NETBEUI on both XP machines and enabling NETBIOS over TCP/IP
on both. Tried uninstalling and reinstalling file sharing.

Noticed that when I share on the second XP machine, Explorer changes a lot
of file permissions. On the main XP machine, this does not happen. I suspect
this is important, but don't know where to go with it.

Has anyone got a fix that I may not have tried yet?

Tony

 

[galen]

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In news:N59We.47781$FA3.22333@news-server.bigpond.net.au,
TonyG <tgilbert @ ozemail.com.au> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> Sorry, this is longwinded, but I want to give as much info as
> possible as I have been trying to fix this for months and feel I am
> now close to a resolution ... with just a little more input.
>
> I have three PCs - one XP Pro with ICS, another XP Pro and a Win 2K,
> all connnected in the same workgroup via an 8-port hub. All shared
> well when all were Win 2K, but since XP it's been really bad. Both XP
> installs are fresh (not upgrades).
>
> All machines can share XP Pro's ICS connection, which is Windows
> Firewalled. There are no other firewalls, including on the LAN
> connection of the ICS machine.
>
> The two XP machines can see and read/write shares on Win 2K machine.
> The XP Pro with ICS and the Win 2K machine can both see the shares on
> the other XP Pro machine. Neither can see shares on the XP Pro
> machine running ICS.
> Sometimes I get a username/password window come up (e.g. if I try to
> direct share the printer on the XP ICS PC by naming it), but
> otherwise I just get the "don't have permissions" dialogue. The Admin
> user and one other user are common (user/pw) on all three machines,
> by the way.
> The second XP Pro machine would not share either at first. I got it
> to share by installing NETBEUI on both XP machines and enabling
> NETBIOS over TCP/IP on both. Tried uninstalling and reinstalling file
> sharing.
> Noticed that when I share on the second XP machine, Explorer changes
> a lot of file permissions. On the main XP machine, this does not
> happen. I suspect this is important, but don't know where to go with
> it.
> Has anyone got a fix that I may not have tried yet?
>
> Tony

I'll give you a stab in the dark if you want? Just in case you MIGHT want to
try the networking group... But, anyhow, do you have the Windows Firewall
enabled for the LAN connections on the XP machines? If so then what happens
if you disable it?

Galen
--

"You know that a conjurer gets no credit when once he has explained his
trick; and if I show you too much of my method of working, you will
come to the conclusion that I am a very ordinary individual after all."

Sherlock Holmes

 

[TonyG]

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Hi Galen,

I have disabled the Windows Firewall at both ends of the LAN connection. No
change.

Can you give me the address of the networking newsgroup? I searched for it
but could not find it.

Also, is there any 'easy' way to compare security settings between two XP
Pro machines? I find it really odd that one will display its shares and the
other will not. ICS seems to be the only difference between them. Note also
that the LAN is using cable internet, so the PCs are getting their IP
addresses from the service provider's DHCP server. Not sure if this might be
significant in some way.

Tony

"Galen" <galennews@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23SPCigcuFHA.2960@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> In news:N59We.47781$FA3.22333@news-server.bigpond.net.au,
> TonyG <tgilbert @ ozemail.com.au> had this to say:
>
> My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
>
>> Sorry, this is longwinded, but I want to give as much info as
>> possible as I have been trying to fix this for months and feel I am
>> now close to a resolution ... with just a little more input.
>>
>> I have three PCs - one XP Pro with ICS, another XP Pro and a Win 2K,
>> all connnected in the same workgroup via an 8-port hub. All shared
>> well when all were Win 2K, but since XP it's been really bad. Both XP
>> installs are fresh (not upgrades).
>>
>> All machines can share XP Pro's ICS connection, which is Windows
>> Firewalled. There are no other firewalls, including on the LAN
>> connection of the ICS machine.
>>
>> The two XP machines can see and read/write shares on Win 2K machine.
>> The XP Pro with ICS and the Win 2K machine can both see the shares on
>> the other XP Pro machine. Neither can see shares on the XP Pro
>> machine running ICS.
>> Sometimes I get a username/password window come up (e.g. if I try to
>> direct share the printer on the XP ICS PC by naming it), but
>> otherwise I just get the "don't have permissions" dialogue. The Admin
>> user and one other user are common (user/pw) on all three machines,
>> by the way.
>> The second XP Pro machine would not share either at first. I got it
>> to share by installing NETBEUI on both XP machines and enabling
>> NETBIOS over TCP/IP on both. Tried uninstalling and reinstalling file
>> sharing.
>> Noticed that when I share on the second XP machine, Explorer changes
>> a lot of file permissions. On the main XP machine, this does not
>> happen. I suspect this is important, but don't know where to go with
>> it.
>> Has anyone got a fix that I may not have tried yet?
>>
>> Tony
>
> I'll give you a stab in the dark if you want? Just in case you MIGHT want
> to try the networking group... But, anyhow, do you have the Windows
> Firewall enabled for the LAN connections on the XP machines? If so then
> what happens if you disable it?
>
> Galen
> --
>
> "You know that a conjurer gets no credit when once he has explained his
> trick; and if I show you too much of my method of working, you will
> come to the conclusion that I am a very ordinary individual after all."
>
> Sherlock Holmes
>

 

[galen]

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In news:VmoWe.48465$FA3.16957@news-server.bigpond.net.au,
TonyG <tgilbert @ ozemail.com.au> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> Hi Galen,
>
> I have disabled the Windows Firewall at both ends of the LAN
> connection. No change.
>
> Can you give me the address of the networking newsgroup? I searched
> for it but could not find it.
>
> Also, is there any 'easy' way to compare security settings between
> two XP Pro machines? I find it really odd that one will display its
> shares and the other will not. ICS seems to be the only difference
> between them. Note also that the LAN is using cable internet, so the
> PCs are getting their IP addresses from the service provider's DHCP
> server. Not sure if this might be significant in some way.
>
> Tony
>
> "Galen" <galennews@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23SPCigcuFHA.2960@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> In news:N59We.47781$FA3.22333@news-server.bigpond.net.au,
>> TonyG <tgilbert @ ozemail.com.au> had this to say:
>>
>> My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
>>
>>> Sorry, this is longwinded, but I want to give as much info as
>>> possible as I have been trying to fix this for months and feel I am
>>> now close to a resolution ... with just a little more input.
>>>
>>> I have three PCs - one XP Pro with ICS, another XP Pro and a Win 2K,
>>> all connnected in the same workgroup via an 8-port hub. All shared
>>> well when all were Win 2K, but since XP it's been really bad. Both
>>> XP installs are fresh (not upgrades).
>>>
>>> All machines can share XP Pro's ICS connection, which is Windows
>>> Firewalled. There are no other firewalls, including on the LAN
>>> connection of the ICS machine.
>>>
>>> The two XP machines can see and read/write shares on Win 2K machine.
>>> The XP Pro with ICS and the Win 2K machine can both see the shares
>>> on the other XP Pro machine. Neither can see shares on the XP Pro
>>> machine running ICS.
>>> Sometimes I get a username/password window come up (e.g. if I try to
>>> direct share the printer on the XP ICS PC by naming it), but
>>> otherwise I just get the "don't have permissions" dialogue. The
>>> Admin user and one other user are common (user/pw) on all three
>>> machines, by the way.
>>> The second XP Pro machine would not share either at first. I got it
>>> to share by installing NETBEUI on both XP machines and enabling
>>> NETBIOS over TCP/IP on both. Tried uninstalling and reinstalling
>>> file sharing.
>>> Noticed that when I share on the second XP machine, Explorer changes
>>> a lot of file permissions. On the main XP machine, this does not
>>> happen. I suspect this is important, but don't know where to go with
>>> it.
>>> Has anyone got a fix that I may not have tried yet?
>>>
>>> Tony
>>
>> I'll give you a stab in the dark if you want? Just in case you MIGHT
>> want to try the networking group... But, anyhow, do you have the
>> Windows Firewall enabled for the LAN connections on the XP machines?
>> If so then what happens if you disable it?
>>
>> Galen
>> --
>>
>> "You know that a conjurer gets no credit when once he has explained
>> his trick; and if I show you too much of my method of working, you
>> will come to the conclusion that I am a very ordinary individual after
>> all." Sherlock Holmes

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web

That should do it... My stab in the dark wasn't what did the trick
obviously. I'd also recommend looking into master browser issues though
those are supposed to be okay in XP.

Galen
--

"You know that a conjurer gets no credit when once he has explained his
trick; and if I show you too much of my method of working, you will
come to the conclusion that I am a very ordinary individual after all."

Sherlock Holmes

 

[TonyG]

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Is there a similar newsgroup for Windows XP Pro Security? I now don't think
I have a network problem at all, just a security problem. So I really need
to discuss it with MVPs who specialise in Win XP Pro security...

TonyG

 

[galen]

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In news:n%yWe.49058$FA3.39235@news-server.bigpond.net.au,
TonyG <tgilbert @ ozemail.com.au> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> Is there a similar newsgroup for Windows XP Pro Security? I now don't
> think I have a network problem at all, just a security problem. So I
> really need to discuss it with MVPs who specialise in Win XP Pro
> security...
> TonyG

I doubt it's a security issue - I'd really try the networking group but if
you want it's microsoft.public.security for that...

Galen
--

"You know that a conjurer gets no credit when once he has explained his
trick; and if I show you too much of my method of working, you will
come to the conclusion that I am a very ordinary individual after all."

Sherlock Holmes