Hi,

So we know these card can run at crazy fps. But wjat about visual quality. I play counter-strike mostly and am anticipating doom3 and UT2003. On the box of the radeon it says that it has an included an trueform enabled counter-strike game.

is true form from ATI really that much of big improvment in visual quality compare to an regular GF4 rendering.

anyone have a site that do compare these 2 card on visual quality of rendering only?

Bob

Well the issue is that the GF4 will rape the R8500 in D3, and the new stuff coming out. Image quality really isn't a concern to be honest.

My frog asked me for a straw...dunno what happened he's all over the place

That's yet to be seen considering ATI and id are VERY CLOSE.

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Oh, right, I'm sorry, a driver will make a card 2x better suddenly.

My frog asked me for a straw...dunno what happened he's all over the place

Not really. Sure, the GF4Ti4600 will probably be faster but Carmack has added several key optimizations for the R8500 and the R300. In any case, the GF4 won't "cream" the R8500, but it will probably beat it. It will be closer than you might think though.

Although I doubt that the R8500 or the Ti4600 will handle max settings but don't forget that max settings have Aniso on, which the R8500 excels at.

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I jut built a whole new system and the card I initially go was a Radeon 7500. And it was pretty good but I was not liking the performance so I got a GF4 4400 and I can tell you that in most D3 games there is a noticable improvement in image quality over a radeon. And I am talking about the same level of detail from one to the other an with my setup it is alot better in quality and performance.