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June 25, 2002 3:40:38 PM

Please someone help me. I jsut built my new system :

Gigabyte 7VRXP Motherboard
Radeon 8500 128MB LE
Athlon XP 2100+
256 DDR333
120GB Hard Drive
Windows XP Pro

I am constantly getting blue error screens. My 3dmark score is 6400 which is crap! I experience blue screens frequently and i have the most up to date drivers ( Catalyst ) off www.ait.com's homepage. Please, i cant run a 3dmark now, it just closes and my games close out on me too !! HElp me PLEASE!!!

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June 25, 2002 6:36:05 PM

ok first 3 questions
are you running that LE overclocked or at default speed?

Second what kind of ram are you using Cheap stuff or brand name?

Third is your board using the newest bios?
June 25, 2002 8:30:42 PM

Yes i am using the newest bios. The motherboard cd came with a bios update utility, it finds the newest for you. The ram, brand wise, i could not tell you. I refuse to overclock my video card so no, its not overclocked, its default. I am using the new catalyst drivers. I just got a "serious error" and this is the log :

ShutdownCount: 105
Shutdown: 0
EventCount: 6
BreakCount: 6
BugcheckTriggered: 1
DebuggerNotPresent: 1
DriverName: ati2dvag
EventFlag: 1
DeviceClass: Display
DeviceDescription: RADEON 8500 / RADEON 8500LE
HardwareID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_514C&SUBSYS_7149174B&REV_00
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
DriverFixedFileInfo: FEEF04BD 00010000 0006000D 000A17CE 0006000D 000A17CE 0000003F 00000008 00040004 00000003 00000004 00000000 00000000
DriverCompanyName: ATI Technologies Inc.
DriverFileDescription: ATI Radeon WindowsNT Display Driver
DriverFileVersion: 6.13.10.6094
DriverInternalName: ati2dvag.dll
DriverLegalCopyright: Copyright (C) 1998-2002 ATI Technologies Inc.
DriverOriginalFilename: ati2dvag.dll
DriverProductName: ATI Radeon Family
DriverProductVersion: 5.1.2600.0

I know its the drivers for my video card, but i've also got the following: BAD_POOL_CALLER (0x000000C2); IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL (0x0000000A); PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA(0x0000050) Win2k.sys

ANd also my Pool of Radiance game freaks out, it will become transparent while playing. Unreal locks up, plus other games just close out.
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June 25, 2002 9:55:04 PM

It sounds like either corrupt RAM or a weak PSU? You don't know of the brand so therefore it's probably generic. What PSU do you have? Generic components=instability and corruption = BAD!

:wink: <b><i>"A penny saved is a penny earned!"</i></b> :wink:
June 26, 2002 5:39:19 AM

AMD Man im pretty sure its my video card. It sucks ass. Its a Powered By ATI not Built By ATI, i was finally shown that theres a difference. Even with the right drivers though i get ati blue error screens and such. Screw it i will get a G4 !

Robert Moore
June 26, 2002 1:27:53 PM

If it's a powered by ATI card, did you get the powered by ATi drivers and not the built by Ati drivers? Looks like in the error one of the driver files is corrupted or not working, so maybe it's the driver's fault. Try the powered by ATI drivers.

What's the deal with lampshades, I mean it's a lamp, why would you want a shade? :smile:
June 26, 2002 3:46:53 PM

did you uninstall the previous built by ati drivers before u installed the powered by ati drivers?? Or just install it on top. I would suggest you clean out your registry also.
June 26, 2002 3:59:34 PM

He just built his computer new... How could he have old drivers on it? :eek: 

What's the deal with lampshades, I mean it's a lamp, why would you want a shade? :smile:
June 26, 2002 6:14:57 PM

This actually looks to me like a Gigabyte problem. Your motherboard, not the drivers or BIOS. Read this, someone else has had the same problem as you using the Radeon 8500:

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam..." target="_new">7VRXP problems (scroll down to read)</A>

Quote: "Same thing with the ATI 8500 I believe lack of juice. Thing is though it's plastered all over the box and stickers on the Motherboard that it supports the Geforce 4.
I've now sent 3 e-mails to support at Gigabyte and no reply but I can keep sending the same e-mail for ever if necessary. I'll let you know if I get the situation resolved other wise it looks like I'll be taking Gigabyte through the courts."

"I have 2 of the Gigabyte boards, both revision 1.1, with plastic CPU arms, etc. Neither one of them will safely finish a 3dMark2001SE test unless I raise the VCORE +7.5%. I have changed numerous settings, loaded and reloaded windows XP. It's always the same result. As of right now, with the vcore raised, I can run 3dMark all day getting 10,500+. I too purchased these boards on recommendation of the review, and although I have seen quite a few posts with fixes, none of them work except the vcore (which in my opinion isn't a fix). For the record both machines are identical with GF4 Ti 4600, AMD 2100+."

Apparently if you have an athlon 2100+ in conjunction with any high power consumption video card, you are bound to get blue screens unless you go into your BIOS and increase your CPU core voltage +7.5%. This means making your CPU that much hotter! For what reason? Only so you can run it at stock speeds! There's some random discussion of the MOSFETs used and the transistors between the AGP bus and CPU but no one really knows why this is happening, just that it's happening to a lot of people. This is a mainboard problem, not graphics or windows-related. Here are a few links for reference.

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam..." target="_new">1</A>
<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam..." target="_new">2</A>
<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam..." target="_new">3</A>
<A HREF="http://www.amdmb.com/vb/showthread.php?s=2ae4206dfdf2c4..." target="_new">4</A>
<A HREF="http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=6&thre..." target="_new">5</A>

This little cathode light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine!
June 26, 2002 6:56:36 PM

Ok this is really starting to get at me... I Just set the vcore to 1.8 and now when i run 3dmark it restarts after 2 seconds of testing! GRrrrrrr i hate this computer!!!!!

Robert Moore
June 27, 2002 4:13:50 PM

Did you finish checking the system with other games to see if its stable. Don't be one of those 3dmark junkies. 3dmark doesn't mean anything take that score with a grain of salt!
Please run some more games other than Pool of raidance and 3dmark. Those two programs might have there own issues and the rest of the system might be stable. You'll never know unless you try other games!
June 27, 2002 4:20:22 PM

MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I got 7200 3D Marks with a R8500LE 128MB o/ced to 310/310 on a P4 1.4GHz (The crappiest CPU money can buy :smile: )!!! That's not bad at all!

:smile: Falling down stairs saves time :smile:
June 27, 2002 4:26:20 PM

Quote:



MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I got 7200 3D Marks with a R8500LE 128MB o/ced to 310/310 on a P4 1.4GHz (The crappiest CPU money can buy)!!! That's not bad at all!

Told you! That's just 3.6ns RAM. Just imagine how far 3.3ns RAM would go. Matisaro still believes that all Ti4200 overclock better than the R8500. As long as you make sure you have a BGA one and even better, a 3.3ns one, you'll have one that goes sky high!

From 250 to 310 mem is an effective 120MHz DDR RAM overclock and 60MHz core overclock!

:wink: <b><i>"A penny saved is a penny earned!"</i></b> :wink:
June 27, 2002 4:31:13 PM

HEHEHEHE.... I used to get ~6400 at stock speeds. Hmm... I'll probably not even use the power from the card. I don't play too many FPS games, although I'm getting into them a bit after this card. What would you suggest? (What game)

:smile: Falling down stairs saves time :smile:
June 28, 2002 6:06:28 AM

i just sold my Ati Radeon 8500LE 64MB for a 128LE.
1. from 4ns ram to 3.6ns
2. BGA memory
3. 300/300 Stable using *7006NTSC BIOS*

Max my 64mb would do was 275/275 after I flashed it with retail bios. did the same with this card and took it up another 25mhz.

7553 3dmark2001 score
not bad for my lil 1.33 athlon
June 30, 2002 11:29:42 AM

I don't know what your taste in computer games is and don't presume to know either. I'm not too into the military sim type games like Soldier of Fortune II. I'm more of a casual FPS gamer.

If you're new to FPS here's what I would recommend:

-Half life. To this day, I still think that this is the best FPS out there because it has a strong community. Ever since Half-Life was released, it has had a larger online community than Quake 2, Quake 3, Rainbow 6, Unreal Tournament, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Medal of Honor, Soldier of Fortune, No one lives forever, Tribes, and Tribes 2 combined. Those are the major players I can think of, any other multiplayer-capable FPS games can be added to the list. Go to www.gamespy.com right now and scroll down to the very bottom of the front web page. Last time I checked Half-Life had some 50,000 players. Medal of Honor, the closest competitor, has about ~3000 players on average +/- 500. The good thing about Half-Life is that Valve is very involved with the mod community. They don't post stuff and make promises or anything, they simply help the mod community. In other words, they are like the british royalty before they got into the media. When the game devs speak less and make less promises, it's funny, but you revere and respect them much more. For example one of their programmers does a lot of work programming installers for practically every major HL mod out there, but he doesn't put his name on the installers. Valve considers post-game support for the mod community as simply an aspect of supporting the game afterwards, much like you'd support a game with patches (I know cause I visited Sierra once). Plus they have an annual HL mod expo (this year it's in Texas) and they give a lot of individual attention to folks making mods for hobbies (heck that's how CS got commercialized in the first place). I'd say every week or two there is a new mod announced. There is also already a large cache of finished mods, inclduing many hours of single player levels. If you want more single player you can even buy two official expansions, opposing force and blue shift. Besides this it has popular mods like counter-strike, TFC (this is a blast to play as it is very casual and not as competitive), Day of Defeat, Frontline Force, Desert Crisis, Action Half-Life, and Firearms, not to mention bots for lots of these mods. There's more coming soon as well, including Hostile Intent maybe, a cell-shader animated mod, a worms mod, a medieval class-based mod, a racing car mod, and a sidescroller mod ala mario bros, with lots more in development and even some single-player episodes in development too. Finally last but not least, it has the mod <A HREF="http://www.svencoop.com" target="_new">sven coop</A>. Being a huge fan of coop and not so much the high adrenaline teamplay based games I like this mod a lot, and to my knowledge it's the only action game that has a comprehensive cooperative gameplay system besides serious sam. Sven coop has lots of good maps and hours of gameplay and in a week or two they are releasing their next version. This brings me to...

-Serious Sam. Never played it but it sounds like a blast. You can buy it on ebay for $4 or less. It's a steal. It has great multiplayer co-op too, and two guys who are brothers are working on an awesome starship troopers mod for it where you basically cooperatively fight as those guys and kill bug after bug after bug... (fyi half-life also has 2 starship troopers mods in development, one in <A HREF="http://www.starshipmod.de" target="_new">germany</A> and one in france[forget the url])

-Star Wars Jedi Knight II Jedi Outcast. This game already has a strong mod commmunity backing it, has a co-op <A HREF="http://www.raven-games.com/hosted/coop/index.shtml" target="_new">by the same author of this mod</A> mod in the works (I e-mailed the guy who is working on it), has fast-paced melee lightsaber battles, bright and fun graphics (no "realistic" textures or blood here), and best of all you don't have to be a star wars fan to enjoy it.

-Star Trek Voyager Elite Force. I bought this game as soon as it came out I remember, because it got such amazing reviews. Reviewers were all screaming, "It's the best damn star trek game I've ever held in my bloody hands!" Well it is pretty darn good. Surprisingly I liked this game not only for its excellent single player (you always had AI people following you around and helping you fight which is so unique and different that I don't think it can be compared to Half-Life's) but also for its bots. I spent hours fighting the bots in this game on my slow athlon 800.

Those are the first four I'd recommend to you. The truth is, multiplayer is where FPS games shine. And I really like these two games because, unlike all of those other 'amazingly innovative' multiplayer games, these two actually have real cooperative teamplay when you tire of playing 30 rounds of CS.

If you are into realistic military sim you probably won't like most of the games I'm suggesting to you besides Half-Life perhaps. These include SoF II, Operation Flashpoint, the Rainbow 6 series, the specops series, the delta force series, and all the rest.

This little cathode light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine!
June 30, 2002 12:42:15 PM

I've played both Delta Force and Rainbow Six Rogue Spear. They're pretty good games. I'll se if I can get my hands on some of those games you mentioned. Thanks a lot for the great "reveiw"!!

:smile: Falling down stairs saves time :smile:
June 30, 2002 7:54:55 PM

You're welcome, I liked writing it, hope you find one of them fun.

This little cathode light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine!
June 30, 2002 7:59:43 PM

Ok... I think I got Counter-Strike, but the weird thing is I also got Team Fortress and Uplink. I have no clue like what order or anything. And is there a campaign in Counterstrike? Maybe I got the demo version?... Help please. Thanks.

:smile: Falling down stairs saves time :smile:
June 30, 2002 10:01:39 PM

Counter-strike works just the same as Half-Life with mods. Instead of installing mods to c:\sierra\half-life you install them to your CS directory. First install the latest CS patch <A HREF="http://personalserver.fileplanet.com/redir.asp?from=PHL..." target="_new">here</A>. Here are some mods to get you started:

<A HREF="http://www.dayofdefeatmod.com" target="_new">http://www.dayofdefeatmod.com&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.flfmod.com" target="_new">http://www.flfmod.com&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.svencoop.com" target="_new">http://www.svencoop.com&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.firearms.com" target="_new">http://www.firearms.com&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.planethalflife.com/wizardwars" target="_new">http://www.planethalflife.com/wizardwars&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.planethalflife.com/si" target="_new">http://www.planethalflife.com/si&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.counter-strike.net" target="_new">http://www.counter-strike.net&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.planetfortress.com" target="_new">http://www.planetfortress.com&lt;/A>

<A HREF="http://www.planethalflife.com/community/hosted/mods.sht..." target="_new">http://www.planethalflife.com/community/hosted/mods.sht...;/A> Here's a list of a LOT more mods, many of them very good mods that are unique and fun to play.

Also check the main <A HREF="http://www.planethalflife.com" target="_new">Planet halflife</A> page for constant mod updates and convenient links.

There's hundreds of mods in development right now, lots more coming and new ones announced every week. It's impossible to keep track of it all unless you surf around a lot.

There are also a ton of nice single-player missions like the ones <A HREF="http://www.planethalflife.com/manke" target="_new">here</A>, although retail CS may not let you play them, you may need to buy HL, which is about $10-20 from ebay right now or from a store about $20-30.

There are also bots. The ones I like are <A HREF="http://sturmbot.dodhq.com" target="_new">Sturmbot</A> for Day of Defeat and <A HREF="http://bot.counter-strike.net/realbot" target="_new">Realbot</A> for counter-strike.

Then there are fan comics, humor, and stories. Map-maker's web sites, fan sites of mods, utilities for managing mods and launching them, utilities for server administration, and foreign sites like the French halflifeexpert.com, a humongous spanish HL site, many German sites, a Japanese site, lots and lots more.

There's just way too much stuff to list here and if you visit planethalflife you'll be swamped. In fact in this swamp of mods, you'll be dragging yourself through gigabytes of mods, and you'll definitely want a broadband connection!

But I can promise you this: There's so much stuff you'll never be able to go through it all. The graphics aren't all that bad either: go play Day of Defeat and tell me you think HL's engine is too dated. That mod alone looks better than many new Quake 3-based games.

This little cathode light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine!
June 30, 2002 10:33:44 PM

Hmmm... I don't get it (sorry for appearing thick-skulled). What are these mods for? I can play CS fine, I was just wondering if there's a Campaign or something. Also what's Uplink/Team Fortress?

Hmmm... looking at day of defeat, it looks pretty cool. So if I want to get that mod, what do I do? I have no clue where to download or anything... So let me see if I can guess what to do. I download the patch, then the mod and install the mod in the CS directory... Then what? Thanks a lot for the help. I'm hoping to try out the Day of Defeat mod. Also for anyone, how do I use Truform? Also how do I apply AA/aniso. I've not been able to find that in the games, or do I have to change it maually all the time in the "Display" place from "Control Panel" in Windows? Thnaks a lot everyone and esp. to you cakecake!

:smile: Falling down stairs saves time :smile:
July 1, 2002 12:18:50 AM

Mods change the character of a game. Some add new skins for the characters, some add new missions, some add new maps, and some completely change the whole game.

Counterstrike was originally developed as a Mod for the game, Half-life. It changed Half-Life from an single player FPS to a multiplayer Action/Strategy (emphasis on action) game. Counterstrike was originally a free Mod! Now it's mainly a stand-alone game.

Team-Fortress was a also a mod for Half-Life. Team-Fortress was sort of a forerunner to Counterstrike.

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AA and Anisotropy can be forced in Display Properties.

Truform needs to be supported by the game. Serious Sam (1 & 2) support it. For SS1 you need to download a Truform version of the executable. I don't have SS2 yet.

I don't know what other games have Truform. It's kind of a waste in SS1 an SS2 because the action is just too frantic.

<b>I have so many cookies I now have a FAT problem!</b>
July 1, 2002 1:06:43 AM

CakeCake, or for anyone here, what steps do I have to take to try out the Day Of Defeat mod? Is this a mod of Half-Life or of Counter-Strike?

EDIT: Stupid question, found that it's a Half-Life mod by looking at the title of the page.

:smile: Falling down stairs saves time :smile: <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Chuck232 on 06/30/02 10:16 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 1, 2002 1:23:14 AM

Ok... one last thing. I don't really like playing online til I've mastered the controls and stuff a bit. Is there a Half-Life/CS game that I can play single player? I don't have Half Life, only Team Fortress, Uplink and Counter-Strike.

:smile: Falling down stairs saves time :smile:
July 1, 2002 4:21:43 AM

To whom are you speaking? You replied to yourself.

Quote:
Is there a Half-Life/CS game that I can play single player?

Don't know. I don't play online games. My dial-up connection is too slow and I hate deathmatch type games.

<b>I have so many cookies I now have a FAT problem!</b>
July 1, 2002 12:06:15 PM

Whoops, just whoever would have some experience with this kinda stuff.

:smile: Falling down stairs saves time :smile:
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