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July 5, 2002 10:09:24 AM

roger that
July 5, 2002 11:19:45 AM

to boot R300,a fdd power plug is needed.R300's pcb is made up with only 6 layers.there r more than 1000 weld spots on it,and the temperature is high when it is working.the packaging of ATi R300's core differs from any GPU before ,it looks like a cpu,that is fun.R300 can be drived with ATi accelerator,u can find there is SmoothVisionII,but we didnt test this option because of time reason. 3DMark2001 SE Pro can recognize R300.
RV25o is not so hot,it only has a radiator,no fan.
neither R300 nor RV250's frequency is confirmed.the sample we test cant represent the final version,but the frequency of video ram cant be low because of its mode.
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July 5, 2002 11:32:55 AM

the tester said that R300 based on athlon1.33G+KT266 reach 100fps in 3DMARK2001 SE NATURE
July 5, 2002 11:48:46 AM

how did u translate it.
July 5, 2002 12:00:31 PM

by AI:) 
July 5, 2002 12:10:06 PM

I find it peculiar that ATI is a Canadian manufacturer and they make most of their cards in Toronto and now Thornhill (both very close to where I live), and yet these foreign sites know more about the R300 and RV250 than Canadians and Americans do. How is that possible? :eek: 

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July 5, 2002 12:13:24 PM

ATi's CEO is chinese
July 5, 2002 12:41:07 PM

HMmmmm.... I was thinking about either a RV250 or a Ti4200, but the RV250 doesn't look so good...

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July 5, 2002 1:18:18 PM

ye with its passive heatsink, it does looks like a low performer. yet how it looks dosn't ultimatly reflect how it will performs, on the other hand, the reduction in micron process allows the chip to run much cooler than the R 8500, so i guess it is logical that only a passive cooler is been used on the RV250. .... man, why didn't they run 3Dmark, so we can have a rough idea on how these 2 card would perform?

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by 10GHZ on 07/05/02 09:20 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 5, 2002 1:30:00 PM

also note, the person who made 16k in 3Dmark 2001se (highest) with the Ti4600 only had about 64fps in Nature. Now 100fps+ for the R300 which is still in stage A12 sounds pretty exciting 2 all of the ATI fans out there.
July 5, 2002 1:45:08 PM

They're less likely to get sued than US and Canadian Sites. :wink:

English is phun.
July 5, 2002 8:01:33 PM

Yes! Nice scores. Now when is the R300 coming out?

This little cathode light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine!
July 6, 2002 2:20:42 AM

soon, even at ATI.com, the pre-release flash ads are up. and it says "coming soon".

Just found out that the R300 is goin 2 migrate rowards 0.13 micron process. because the RV250 is said to be released around next month, so it's goin 2 be based on 0.15 micron process, whereis the R300 will have 1.7 billion transistors, consequently, more heat will be produced and by using 0.13 micron process, it allows the chip to run much cooler and even higher frequency then the A12 prototype.

all these are said to happen around Nov

http://www.pcpop.com.cn/view.asp?type=news&id=7393
July 6, 2002 2:41:38 AM

actually, both Radeon 9000 (RV250)(RV250Le) and Radeon 9700(R300) is goin 2 be released sometime next month. and BOTH will be based on 0.15 micron process. but around Nov, there will be an upgraded version of R300, which will probably be called Radeon 10000 will be using 0.13 micron process and a higher core, memory speed.( probably aimed at the upcoming NV30 ) The day when Graphics card shipped with 1GHZ memory can't be far.

http://www.pcpop.com.cn/view.asp?type=news&id=7325
http://www.pcpop.com.cn/view.asp?type=news&id=7359

oh, and anyone want some new radeon driver?
win9x v9044 , winxp&2000 v6107,

http://www.nvchips-fr.com/download/downloads.php?Catego...
July 6, 2002 2:42:07 AM

It seems to me that current ATI video cards do disproportionately well in the Nature test. I get 51.5 fps in this test yet only score <A HREF="http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3869294" target="_new">8297 3DMarks</A>. Extrapolating to the 100+ fps for the R300 would seem to indicate the R300 would only match the best of the Ti4600 3DMark2001 scores. Of course as you say, the results are preliminary.

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July 6, 2002 2:51:51 AM

yes, but 64fps for the highest score based on Ti4600 is an overclocker, the actual score at stock speed will be less. besides, 100+ fps in nature will also mean higher fps in all the other test @ STOCK speed. the RV250 is an upgraded version of R 8500, as i'm speaking now, the R 8500 is not far behind the Ti4200. If the power point presentation which states " the RV250 will have 50% more performance gain", IF thats true, then we'll see not just the RV250 competing with the Ti4600 on performance and price, but the R300 will be in a class of it's own until Nv28, Nv30 arrives.
July 6, 2002 3:06:39 AM

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yes, but 64fps for the highest score based on Ti4600 is an overclocker, the actual score at stock speed will be less. besides, 100+ fps in nature will also mean higher fps in all the other test @ STOCK speed. the RV250 is an upgraded version of R 8500, as i'm speaking now, the R 8500 is not far behind the Ti4200. If the power point presentation which states " the RV250 will have 50% more performance gain", IF thats true, then we'll see not just the RV250 competing with the Ti4600 on performance and price, but the R300 will be in a class of it's own until Nv28, Nv30 arrives.

That's a better argument.

I was just pointing out that the Nature test alone wasn't enough evidence to make your claim.

By the way, I have to overclock my 8500 OEM pretty far to get that 51.5 fps in the Nature test. My card is clocked at 300 mhz core/325 mhz memory, up from the 250/275 stock speeds.

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July 6, 2002 3:09:04 AM

I don't know about you guys but I'm hoping we return back to passive cooling again for <b>ALL</b> PC components. What happened to the practically noise-less PC people? I remember the day when people would complain about the hard drives being extremely noisy! LOL, now, you can't even hear a noisy hard drive over all the fans in the PC. My $219CDN Antec case comes with 3 case fans! Antec claims they're virtually noise free but they're not, you can still hear them a bit. The P4 is very quiet but it could be quiter. I mean, if Intel and AMD just dropped to the .09u process now, we would be free of FANS! You'll just have 1 PSU fann in your entire system! That would be amazing!

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July 6, 2002 3:47:43 AM

if you thought your case is lound, wait till u hear mine
July 6, 2002 7:25:46 AM

Yes, the noise bugs me sometimes too. I was wondering, is the R300 going to be compatible with mainboards that only support 4x or do we need new mainboards?

This little cathode light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine!
July 6, 2002 11:49:33 AM

i would say yes, both RV250 and R300 is going 2 be AGP4x, ATI is goin 2 push AGP8x at around Nov this year, probably incooperate such feature in to Radeon 10000. one thing 4 sure, it's goin 2 be 500 times faster than the xabre.
July 6, 2002 2:05:19 PM

If anyone cares to take a look at my R8500LE 128MB scores, they're <A HREF="http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3797935" target="_new">here.</A> I'm especially happy with the Nature, High Polygon (1 light), and the 2 bump mapping tests. Remember overclocked to 305/305. (At 310/310, it seems like the core "throttled" a bit and got lower scores in those categories.) Also I'm running on a P4 1.4GHz.

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July 6, 2002 2:09:28 PM

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around Nov, there will be an upgraded version of R300, which will probably be called Radeon 10000

I thought the "9" in the new Radeons stood for the fact that they were hardware implementations of DX 9. So until version 10 was out, we wouldn't see Radeon 10000s. I think once product names get to numbers that long, they become too unwieldy anyway. Imagine trying to get someone new to remember the difference between the Radeon 10240 and Radeon 10520...
July 6, 2002 2:16:13 PM

ye,, ATI will porbably come up with some better name rather than the same old boring numbering system.
July 6, 2002 2:22:16 PM

ATI's numbering system is actually less confusing to a newbie than the nVidia MX vs. Ti naming system. With ATI cards, the higher the number, the faster the card. It only gets confusing with the R8500 because there are probably over a dozen variations.

Chuck:

I see you are using the 9039 drivers. Try the leaked 9043 drivers at Rage3D.

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July 6, 2002 2:22:41 PM

How's this ATi Rampage/LE??

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July 6, 2002 2:23:13 PM

well you kicked my ass in nature, fillrate (single/multi), high poly 1&8 light, enviroment, dot3 bump mapping, pixel shader, advanced pixel shader and point sprites, that's pretty much all of them, i guess that's the advantage of having 128mb of memory.yet i still got 8644,with xp1.6 @1407mhz
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3712581
and 8843
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3691921

looks like the score is very dependent upon the 4 game benchmark, rather than all the other "feature" tests
July 6, 2002 2:24:44 PM

Yeah, if I only had a better computer. BTW, I may be building one this summer after all!!!

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July 7, 2002 2:29:04 PM

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ATI's numbering system is actually less confusing to a newbie than the nVidia MX vs. Ti naming system. With ATI cards, the higher the number, the faster the card.

Agreed! Trying to rank all the main GeForces by performance produces an absurd sequence:

256, mx 200, mx, mx 400, mx 420, 256 ddr, 2 gts, 2 pro, 2 ti, 2 ultra, mx 440, mx 460, ti 200, 3, ti 500, ti 4200, ti 4400, ti 4600 and I'm not even sure about a few of those.

Let's hope that since the NV30 is ditching the GeForce name, they'll produce a better naming system.
July 8, 2002 2:12:46 AM

You know I have a feeling the RV250 isn't going to be as fast as people hope it will be. I know, I hope it will kick butt. But seriously, a GPU without a fan? Maybe it has overclocking potential, other than that at stock speeds I bet it will be kind of like the GF4 MX series was to the GF4 Ti series, several generations back.

This little cathode light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine!
July 8, 2002 4:02:44 PM

Agreed
RV250

The V is for value that just a card to beat Geforce 4200 and R300 to crush Geforce TI4600 series na try to compete wih NV 30.

It be impresse if it 10% faster that a R8500 128 mb retail

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July 10, 2002 2:41:33 AM

they are more crafty. j/k :smile:

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