Ethics of trading an eth bonesnap

[Phil]

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I found an ethereal bonesnap on the ladder (USEast softcore). I'm
assuming it's worth something to someone such as a low-level dueler,
but it's probably worth the most to a low-level hammer/charge pally
pk'er. Since it's softcore, I'm thinking it wouldn't be too unethical
to trade it. But should I just keep it rather than potentially
empowering another pk'er?

 

[Guest]

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On 31 Jan 2005 10:09:57 -0800, "phil" <google@donotcall.cjb.net>
wrote:

>I found an ethereal bonesnap on the ladder (USEast softcore). I'm
>assuming it's worth something to someone such as a low-level dueler,
>but it's probably worth the most to a low-level hammer/charge pally
>pk'er. Since it's softcore, I'm thinking it wouldn't be too unethical
>to trade it. But should I just keep it rather than potentially
>empowering another pk'er?

Do PKers still exist on SC? That seems like a *really* pointless
exercise......I can see your point if it was hardcore, but on
softcore.....

I'd trade it.

Just my 2p

Tim

 

[Paul]

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"Tim Nicholson" <tim@spamtrap.intergrowl.com> wrote in message
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> On 31 Jan 2005 10:09:57 -0800, "phil" <google@donotcall.cjb.net>
> wrote:
>
>>I found an ethereal bonesnap on the ladder (USEast softcore). I'm
>>assuming it's worth something to someone such as a low-level dueler,
>>but it's probably worth the most to a low-level hammer/charge pally
>>pk'er. Since it's softcore, I'm thinking it wouldn't be too unethical
>>to trade it. But should I just keep it rather than potentially
>>empowering another pk'er?
>
> Do PKers still exist on SC? That seems like a *really* pointless
> exercise......I can see your point if it was hardcore, but on
> softcore.....
>
> I'd trade it.
>
> Just my 2p
>
> Tim
>

lol, high sense of self imposed morality, very low sense of thought process.

1. a junk weapon like that isn't going to be of much value to a high level
character of any kind.
2. what's wrong with pk? jerks come in ALL varieties, including PvP and PvM.
as long as everybody involved knows that its a duel game, what's YOUR
problem with it????? do you also care whether i wear boxers or briefs?!?!?
get a life, and butt out of what OTHER people do for fun!
3. i sure wouldn't bother pking with a HC character. Waaaaaaaaaay too much
lag and other problems with battlenet. lose dozens or even hundreds of hours
on a character due to the realm going down? lol
4. your "ethics" are none of my business. if i WANTED to, a good HOTO is
only 3 bucks on ebay, so your anti-pk ethics mean nothing to those of us who
enjoy an occasional duel. KEEP your oversized club.

i don't mean to pick on you too much, but i think this whole attitude
against pk by some Diabloers is just downright silly. everyone should
respect everyone else's choices for play, and all should strive not to
sabotage another's enjoyment of the game.

 

[Guest]

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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:46:29 -0700, "paul" <nospam.riever@cox.net>
wrote:

>2. what's wrong with pk? jerks come in ALL varieties, including PvP and PvM.
>as long as everybody involved knows that its a duel game

That is *not* the definition of a PK that we're working with. What
we're talking about is someone who comes into our (regular, not duel)
game, probably tries to party up with us so that they know where we
are, then uses every trick possible to try to kill us unawares.

ald
reply via email to ald_007_1999 at yahoo dot com

 

[Doodles]

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"should strive not to sabotage another's enjoyment of the game" - pretty
much sounds like the definition of a HC PKer, doesn't it?

I give the guy credit for at least having an ethical bone in his body, to
the point that he hesitated before trading it. I agree that on SC it really
doesn't matter. You, on the other hand acted like an ass. Switch to decaf.

"paul" <nospam.riever@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Tim Nicholson" <tim@spamtrap.intergrowl.com> wrote in message
> news:81vsv052te6ln8fkq6m12fjjq4j0mdhtcf@4ax.com...
> > On 31 Jan 2005 10:09:57 -0800, "phil" <google@donotcall.cjb.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>I found an ethereal bonesnap on the ladder (USEast softcore). I'm
> >>assuming it's worth something to someone such as a low-level dueler,
> >>but it's probably worth the most to a low-level hammer/charge pally
> >>pk'er. Since it's softcore, I'm thinking it wouldn't be too unethical
> >>to trade it. But should I just keep it rather than potentially
> >>empowering another pk'er?
> >
> > Do PKers still exist on SC? That seems like a *really* pointless
> > exercise......I can see your point if it was hardcore, but on
> > softcore.....
> >
> > I'd trade it.
> >
> > Just my 2p
> >
> > Tim
> >
>
> lol, high sense of self imposed morality, very low sense of thought
process.
>
> 1. a junk weapon like that isn't going to be of much value to a high level
> character of any kind.
> 2. what's wrong with pk? jerks come in ALL varieties, including PvP and
PvM.
> as long as everybody involved knows that its a duel game, what's YOUR
> problem with it????? do you also care whether i wear boxers or briefs?!?!?
> get a life, and butt out of what OTHER people do for fun!
> 3. i sure wouldn't bother pking with a HC character. Waaaaaaaaaay too much
> lag and other problems with battlenet. lose dozens or even hundreds of
hours
> on a character due to the realm going down? lol
> 4. your "ethics" are none of my business. if i WANTED to, a good HOTO is
> only 3 bucks on ebay, so your anti-pk ethics mean nothing to those of us
who
> enjoy an occasional duel. KEEP your oversized club.
>
> i don't mean to pick on you too much, but i think this whole attitude
> against pk by some Diabloers is just downright silly. everyone should
> respect everyone else's choices for play, and all should strive not to
> sabotage another's enjoyment of the game.
>
>

 

[keith]

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phil wrote:
> I found an ethereal bonesnap on the ladder (USEast softcore). I'm
> assuming it's worth something to someone such as a low-level dueler,
> but it's probably worth the most to a low-level hammer/charge pally
> pk'er. Since it's softcore, I'm thinking it wouldn't be too
unethical
> to trade it. But should I just keep it rather than potentially
> empowering another pk'er?

Its not that great anymore even upgraded because of the
Insight runeword which also has Critical strike and
Meditation auro(with Prayer this heals at a terrific
rate).

 

[Paul]

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"ald" <103175.3500@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:46:29 -0700, "paul" <nospam.riever@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>2. what's wrong with pk? jerks come in ALL varieties, including PvP and
>>PvM.
>>as long as everybody involved knows that its a duel game
>
> That is *not* the definition of a PK that we're working with. What
> we're talking about is someone who comes into our (regular, not duel)
> game, probably tries to party up with us so that they know where we
> are, then uses every trick possible to try to kill us unawares.
>
> ald
> reply via email to ald_007_1999 at yahoo dot com

those would be the jerks that i was talking about. the problem as i see it
is that it is pretty much impossible to tell by looking at a person whether
they are a jerk or not, and to determine that they ARE a jerk, based on the
fact that they play PK makes the overly judgemental person a JERK too.
assuming doesn't work. when you assume, you make an ASS of U and ME.

paul
"riever"

 

[Paul]

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"doodles" <tomfulton53nospammer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "should strive not to sabotage another's enjoyment of the game" - pretty
> much sounds like the definition of a HC PKer, doesn't it?
>
> I give the guy credit for at least having an ethical bone in his body, to
> the point that he hesitated before trading it. I agree that on SC it
> really
> doesn't matter. You, on the other hand acted like an ass. Switch to
> decaf.
>

a few points:

you give the guy credit for what? promoting one style of play (PvM) while
denegrating another legitimate style of play (PvP)???

I enjoy both PvM AND PvP. I have NEVER disrupted someone elses game by going
hostile on people wanting to play PvM. Yes i have seen it, and i hate it,
but i don't go around assuming that all PvPer's are jerks anymore than i
would assume that YOU are a jerk just because you prefer PvM.

i enjoy my coffee and will not switch thankyou.

like i said, i don't want to beat up on anyone too badly for this, but it
gets a little tiresome when some JERK (you) goes around assumeing that I am
a jerk JUST because i enjoy dueling. you want to think that I'm a jerk cuz
of what i write here? fine. i have no problem with that. i will readilly
admit to being a jerk to people who have acted like jerks themselves.

you might consider switching to decaf yourself.

paul
"Riever"

 

[Guest]

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On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:52:10 -0700, "paul" <nospam.riever@cox.net>
wrote:

>those would be the jerks that i was talking about. the problem as i see it
>is that it is pretty much impossible to tell by looking at a person whether
>they are a jerk or not, and to determine that they ARE a jerk, based on the
>fact that they play PK makes the overly judgemental person a JERK too.
>assuming doesn't work. when you assume, you make an ASS of U and ME.
>
>paul

Well, yeah, but the problem as *I* see it is that you're using a term
(PK) that obviously has a different meaning to me than it does to you.
I have *no* problem with duelers, some of my favorite stories in the
other group were of two of the most prolific posters going at each
other in D1, and one of my most memorable nights was the one where the
person who I play with the most kept "accidentally" hitting the
crossed swords button in Hellfire V&K (he was playing his monk, when
I, playing a Rogue of course, tried to retaliate he blocked
*everything* and all I succeeded in doing was killing the other Rogue
in the game). If we were talking about duelers, there'd be no ethical
question to spawn this thread. I'm sorry, but we're discussing equines
of different hues here ;-)

ald
reply via email to ald_007_1999 at yahoo dot com

 

[Doodles]

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Wake up...there is a difference between dueling and PKing, and the original
poster made that clear. What is hard to understand about that? Personally,
I don't duel because I don't have the skill, and I think anyone who does
duel is probably a better D2 player than I am. My extensive experience with
PKers is that they almost invariably cheat, and nearly always kill
characters substantially lower in level than them. You used the phrase "all
should strive not to sabotage another's enjoyment of the game", and I agree
with that sentiment. My experience with duelers is that they follow it as
well. My experience with PKers is that their entire purpose is to do just
that. Frustrated and antisocial teenagers, for the most part, but that is
of course conjecture.

You, on the other hand, don't have the foggiest idea how to have a polite
conversation. The original poster was polite and asked a reasonable
question.


"paul" <nospam.riever@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "doodles" <tomfulton53nospammer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MbxLd.15253$Vj3.7925@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> > "should strive not to sabotage another's enjoyment of the game" - pretty
> > much sounds like the definition of a HC PKer, doesn't it?
> >
> > I give the guy credit for at least having an ethical bone in his body,
to
> > the point that he hesitated before trading it. I agree that on SC it
> > really
> > doesn't matter. You, on the other hand acted like an ass. Switch to
> > decaf.
> >
>
> a few points:
>
> you give the guy credit for what? promoting one style of play (PvM) while
> denegrating another legitimate style of play (PvP)???
>
> I enjoy both PvM AND PvP. I have NEVER disrupted someone elses game by
going
> hostile on people wanting to play PvM. Yes i have seen it, and i hate it,
> but i don't go around assuming that all PvPer's are jerks anymore than i
> would assume that YOU are a jerk just because you prefer PvM.
>
> i enjoy my coffee and will not switch thankyou.
>
> like i said, i don't want to beat up on anyone too badly for this, but it
> gets a little tiresome when some JERK (you) goes around assumeing that I
am
> a jerk JUST because i enjoy dueling. you want to think that I'm a jerk cuz
> of what i write here? fine. i have no problem with that. i will readilly
> admit to being a jerk to people who have acted like jerks themselves.
>
> you might consider switching to decaf yourself.
>
> paul
> "Riever"
>
>

 

[Paul]

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"doodles" <tomfulton53nospammer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wake up...there is a difference between dueling and PKing, and the
> original
> poster made that clear. What is hard to understand about that?
> Personally,
> I don't duel because I don't have the skill, and I think anyone who does
> duel is probably a better D2 player than I am. My extensive experience
> with
> PKers is that they almost invariably cheat, and nearly always kill
> characters substantially lower in level than them. You used the phrase
> "all
> should strive not to sabotage another's enjoyment of the game", and I
> agree
> with that sentiment. My experience with duelers is that they follow it as
> well. My experience with PKers is that their entire purpose is to do just
> that. Frustrated and antisocial teenagers, for the most part, but that is
> of course conjecture.
>
> You, on the other hand, don't have the foggiest idea how to have a polite
> conversation. The original poster was polite and asked a reasonable
> question.
>

first of all, i was not impolite to the original poster. however..., the
original poster lumped PK'ers and PvP'ers into the same bucket. you have
largely done the same thing. all i did was to point out that there is a
difference and that it is not fair to lump us all together. it was a rude
thing to do. i was personally insulted by the point of the thread. i said
so. I have played this game since very shortly after the original Dialbo
came out, LONG before Helfire was released, so don't play "im the veteran so
listen to me"

it may be your experience that PKers are all jerks. it has been MY
experience that most or respectable decent duelers. a handful of jerks can
begin to look like a crowd if you are narrowly focused on the end of your
nose (if you don't believe me, look in the mirror. YOU think you represent
the majority opinion,... don't you?).

so you go now, and have a nice life. but next time you think about insulting
a very large number of people for what a couple of people have done to
insult you, remember me. bully's will not be tolerated, even in this forum.

there. NOW i have been impolite to someone (you). now go and crawl back
under your rock

paul
arizona

 

[Phil]

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In no way did I lump PvP duelers and pk'ers together. Indeed, I
expressed willingness to trade with a dueler but not a pk'er.

 

[Guest]

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On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:34:40 -0700, "paul" <nospam.riever@cox.net>
wrote:

>
>"doodles" <tomfulton53nospammer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:tnZLd.12312$6P5.10901@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
>> Wake up...there is a difference between dueling and PKing, and the
>> original
>> poster made that clear. What is hard to understand about that?
>> Personally,
>> I don't duel because I don't have the skill, and I think anyone who does
>> duel is probably a better D2 player than I am. My extensive experience
>> with
>> PKers is that they almost invariably cheat, and nearly always kill
>> characters substantially lower in level than them. You used the phrase
>> "all
>> should strive not to sabotage another's enjoyment of the game", and I
>> agree
>> with that sentiment. My experience with duelers is that they follow it as
>> well. My experience with PKers is that their entire purpose is to do just
>> that. Frustrated and antisocial teenagers, for the most part, but that is
>> of course conjecture.
>>
>> You, on the other hand, don't have the foggiest idea how to have a polite
>> conversation. The original poster was polite and asked a reasonable
>> question.
>>
>
>first of all, i was not impolite to the original poster. however..., the
>original poster lumped PK'ers and PvP'ers into the same bucket. you have
>largely done the same thing. all i did was to point out that there is a
>difference and that it is not fair to lump us all together. it was a rude
>thing to do. i was personally insulted by the point of the thread. i said
>so. I have played this game since very shortly after the original Dialbo
>came out, LONG before Helfire was released, so don't play "im the veteran so
>listen to me"
>
>it may be your experience that PKers are all jerks. it has been MY
>experience that most or respectable decent duelers. a handful of jerks can
>begin to look like a crowd if you are narrowly focused on the end of your
>nose (if you don't believe me, look in the mirror. YOU think you represent
>the majority opinion,... don't you?).
>
>so you go now, and have a nice life. but next time you think about insulting
>a very large number of people for what a couple of people have done to
>insult you, remember me. bully's will not be tolerated, even in this forum.
>
>there. NOW i have been impolite to someone (you). now go and crawl back
>under your rock
>
>paul
>arizona
>

Please allow me to step in before this gets worse. It seems what you
are arguing is over a matter of semantics. You seem to refer to
yourself as a PKer (Player Killer) even though you are what is
commonly referred to as a PVPer or Dueler. A PKer according to general
concensus is someone who comes in to a game, declares hostility and
tries to kill as many players in that game as possible. The game
generally is a questing/levelling game. The game is not a duelers
game. No one else in the game had any intention of going PVP. Only the
PKer had the intention of battling other players.

This post and responses to it are about not letting the PKers get
their joy by getting their hands on a possibly deadly weapon. Whether
or not it is a good weapon is not really the topic nor are the
PVPers/Duelers.

I didn't see the original poster lumping PKers and PVPers in the same
category. The way I read it was that the original poster was having a
moral dilemma of whether or not he wanted to help empower a possible
PKer by giving him/her a good weapon. I, personally, commend him for
having this sort of ethics. It is a bit pointless especially since the
weapon in question is not as good as he thought and the fact that it
is SC in which case getting hostiled is just a case of major
irritation rather than loss of hours of playing. So to the OP, go
ahead and trade away. If you can't use it, someone else might find
good value in it.


Alan
--
USWest - SonofJorEl, SonofJorEl2-3 Ladder SC
USEast - SonofJorEl, SonofJorEl2-4 Ladder & Non, SC & HC

 

[Doodles]

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See new thread.

"paul" <nospam.riever@cox.net> wrote in message
news:jq6Md.5584$6u.582@fed1read02...
>
> "doodles" <tomfulton53nospammer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:tnZLd.12312$6P5.10901@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
> > Wake up...there is a difference between dueling and PKing, and the
> > original
> > poster made that clear. What is hard to understand about that?
> > Personally,
> > I don't duel because I don't have the skill, and I think anyone who does
> > duel is probably a better D2 player than I am. My extensive experience
> > with
> > PKers is that they almost invariably cheat, and nearly always kill
> > characters substantially lower in level than them. You used the phrase
> > "all
> > should strive not to sabotage another's enjoyment of the game", and I
> > agree
> > with that sentiment. My experience with duelers is that they follow it
as
> > well. My experience with PKers is that their entire purpose is to do
just
> > that. Frustrated and antisocial teenagers, for the most part, but that
is
> > of course conjecture.
> >
> > You, on the other hand, don't have the foggiest idea how to have a
polite
> > conversation. The original poster was polite and asked a reasonable
> > question.
> >
>
> first of all, i was not impolite to the original poster. however..., the
> original poster lumped PK'ers and PvP'ers into the same bucket. you have
> largely done the same thing. all i did was to point out that there is a
> difference and that it is not fair to lump us all together. it was a rude
> thing to do. i was personally insulted by the point of the thread. i said
> so. I have played this game since very shortly after the original Dialbo
> came out, LONG before Helfire was released, so don't play "im the veteran
so
> listen to me"
>
> it may be your experience that PKers are all jerks. it has been MY
> experience that most or respectable decent duelers. a handful of jerks can
> begin to look like a crowd if you are narrowly focused on the end of your
> nose (if you don't believe me, look in the mirror. YOU think you represent
> the majority opinion,... don't you?).
>
> so you go now, and have a nice life. but next time you think about
insulting
> a very large number of people for what a couple of people have done to
> insult you, remember me. bully's will not be tolerated, even in this
forum.
>
> there. NOW i have been impolite to someone (you). now go and crawl back
> under your rock
>
> paul
> arizona
>
>

 

[Paul]

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lol, YOU have too much time on your hands.

riever

"doodles" <tomfulton53nospammer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> See new thread.
>
> "paul" <nospam.riever@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:jq6Md.5584$6u.582@fed1read02...
>>
>> "doodles" <tomfulton53nospammer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:tnZLd.12312$6P5.10901@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
>> > Wake up...there is a difference between dueling and PKing, and the
>> > original
>> > poster made that clear. What is hard to understand about that?
>> > Personally,
>> > I don't duel because I don't have the skill, and I think anyone who
>> > does
>> > duel is probably a better D2 player than I am. My extensive experience
>> > with
>> > PKers is that they almost invariably cheat, and nearly always kill
>> > characters substantially lower in level than them. You used the phrase
>> > "all
>> > should strive not to sabotage another's enjoyment of the game", and I
>> > agree
>> > with that sentiment. My experience with duelers is that they follow it
> as
>> > well. My experience with PKers is that their entire purpose is to do
> just
>> > that. Frustrated and antisocial teenagers, for the most part, but that
> is
>> > of course conjecture.
>> >
>> > You, on the other hand, don't have the foggiest idea how to have a
> polite
>> > conversation. The original poster was polite and asked a reasonable
>> > question.
>> >
>>
>> first of all, i was not impolite to the original poster. however..., the
>> original poster lumped PK'ers and PvP'ers into the same bucket. you have
>> largely done the same thing. all i did was to point out that there is a
>> difference and that it is not fair to lump us all together. it was a rude
>> thing to do. i was personally insulted by the point of the thread. i said
>> so. I have played this game since very shortly after the original Dialbo
>> came out, LONG before Helfire was released, so don't play "im the veteran
> so
>> listen to me"
>>
>> it may be your experience that PKers are all jerks. it has been MY
>> experience that most or respectable decent duelers. a handful of jerks
>> can
>> begin to look like a crowd if you are narrowly focused on the end of your
>> nose (if you don't believe me, look in the mirror. YOU think you
>> represent
>> the majority opinion,... don't you?).
>>
>> so you go now, and have a nice life. but next time you think about
> insulting
>> a very large number of people for what a couple of people have done to
>> insult you, remember me. bully's will not be tolerated, even in this
> forum.
>>
>> there. NOW i have been impolite to someone (you). now go and crawl back
>> under your rock
>>
>> paul
>> arizona
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Paul]

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"Alan Ladd" <OnlyALadd68@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:34:40 -0700, "paul" <nospam.riever@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"doodles" <tomfulton53nospammer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:tnZLd.12312$6P5.10901@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
>>> Wake up...there is a difference between dueling and PKing, and the
>>> original
>>> poster made that clear. What is hard to understand about that?
>>> Personally,
>>> I don't duel because I don't have the skill, and I think anyone who does
>>> duel is probably a better D2 player than I am. My extensive experience
>>> with
>>> PKers is that they almost invariably cheat, and nearly always kill
>>> characters substantially lower in level than them. You used the phrase
>>> "all
>>> should strive not to sabotage another's enjoyment of the game", and I
>>> agree
>>> with that sentiment. My experience with duelers is that they follow it
>>> as
>>> well. My experience with PKers is that their entire purpose is to do
>>> just
>>> that. Frustrated and antisocial teenagers, for the most part, but that
>>> is
>>> of course conjecture.
>>>
>>> You, on the other hand, don't have the foggiest idea how to have a
>>> polite
>>> conversation. The original poster was polite and asked a reasonable
>>> question.
>>>
>>
>>first of all, i was not impolite to the original poster. however..., the
>>original poster lumped PK'ers and PvP'ers into the same bucket. you have
>>largely done the same thing. all i did was to point out that there is a
>>difference and that it is not fair to lump us all together. it was a rude
>>thing to do. i was personally insulted by the point of the thread. i said
>>so. I have played this game since very shortly after the original Dialbo
>>came out, LONG before Helfire was released, so don't play "im the veteran
>>so
>>listen to me"
>>
>>it may be your experience that PKers are all jerks. it has been MY
>>experience that most or respectable decent duelers. a handful of jerks can
>>begin to look like a crowd if you are narrowly focused on the end of your
>>nose (if you don't believe me, look in the mirror. YOU think you represent
>>the majority opinion,... don't you?).
>>
>>so you go now, and have a nice life. but next time you think about
>>insulting
>>a very large number of people for what a couple of people have done to
>>insult you, remember me. bully's will not be tolerated, even in this
>>forum.
>>
>>there. NOW i have been impolite to someone (you). now go and crawl back
>>under your rock
>>
>>paul
>>arizona
>>
>
> Please allow me to step in before this gets worse. It seems what you
> are arguing is over a matter of semantics. You seem to refer to
> yourself as a PKer (Player Killer) even though you are what is
> commonly referred to as a PVPer or Dueler. A PKer according to general
> concensus is someone who comes in to a game, declares hostility and
> tries to kill as many players in that game as possible. The game
> generally is a questing/levelling game. The game is not a duelers
> game. No one else in the game had any intention of going PVP. Only the
> PKer had the intention of battling other players.
>
> This post and responses to it are about not letting the PKers get
> their joy by getting their hands on a possibly deadly weapon. Whether
> or not it is a good weapon is not really the topic nor are the
> PVPers/Duelers.
>
> I didn't see the original poster lumping PKers and PVPers in the same
> category. The way I read it was that the original poster was having a
> moral dilemma of whether or not he wanted to help empower a possible
> PKer by giving him/her a good weapon. I, personally, commend him for
> having this sort of ethics. It is a bit pointless especially since the
> weapon in question is not as good as he thought and the fact that it
> is SC in which case getting hostiled is just a case of major
> irritation rather than loss of hours of playing. So to the OP, go
> ahead and trade away. If you can't use it, someone else might find
> good value in it.
>
>
> Alan
> --
> USWest - SonofJorEl, SonofJorEl2-3 Ladder SC
> USEast - SonofJorEl, SonofJorEl2-4 Ladder & Non, SC & HC

fair enough. it HAS devolved into an argument over semantics, and that was
not my point. i have had my say, and i will quietly (and peacefully)
withdraw.

paul
"riever"