Man, Matisaro, you're the only one here who think the Ti4200 is so vastly "superior" to the R8500. You can get an $87 R8500LE clocked at 250/275 and overclock it to 325/325. For you DDR people, that's a 75MHz overclock for the core, and a 100MHz overclock for the memory. The TI4200's drivers are no better than the R8500. Stop spreading fud. You've been basing your opinions on antiquated benchmarks and gossip.
Im far from the only one, in fact your the only one who spouts pro ati rederick every time you post on this subject amd_man, the fact is the ti4200 IS faster than the 8500 at stock.(and especially!!!! overclocked)
as for your LAUGHABLE claim the average le will hit 325/325 thats utter bullshit, thats a rare oc at best, whereas the 300-330/550-600 overclocks for the ti4200 are COMMON.
as for your LIE the radeon drivers are as good as nvidias drivers, thats utter balognia, you are the head honcho with claims of having ati fix any bugs they find within weeks quickly, NEWSFLASH BUDDY, nvidias drivers DONT HAVE ANY BUGS TO START WITH!(at least no where as many as ati's cause I am full aware that ALL drivers have bugs). Kind of shoots your "as good" argument right in the damn foot when you yourself have posted many times on atis quick bug fixxing, now dosent it.
I think you have been confusing this forum with rage3d, we dont cater to biased results here!
I dare you to show us a review where it states radeon LE'S average 325 325 overclocks,
FURTHERMORE with the 4200 you dont have to wade through lele 250/250, 250/275 275/275 confusion, you know which card your getting and how good it will do.
Well, you don't know what you're talking about. That was the past, this is now! Many R8500LEs (like the one that comes at new egg), comes with a newer BIOS and 3.3ns RAM and overclocks much better than before.
I dont know what I am talking about? are you flaming me in defence of your beloved ati amd_man?
the 64 meg ti4200 comes with 3.3ns ram, and gains more from a core oc than the radeon(so with equal ram and faster core the 4200 widens its lead over the 8500).
as for your better oc claims, lets see some proof man, I have proven time and again the ocs for ti4200's and have witnessed you and other atiheads claim that the 8500 now can beat the 4200, the 4400 etc, its bullshit and if anyones spreading fud its you claiming the 8500 is better than the 4200!
You are the only person on this board who believes that the 8500 is actually better than the 4200(price nonwithstanding) why dont you take a hint?
And you won't be able to play Doom3 at high detail, even though a GF4 class card should. IIRC, Doom3 and probably many many future games, will use well over 64MB textures.
More fud, anything the 8500 can do at high detail(read not with 64 tap aniso like ati heads like to benchmark with which is unplayable anyway just as if I benched the gf with full aa and claimed it was superior) the ti4200 can do faster, its a fact, check the benchmarks, see the 8500 lose(retail 275/275 loses to a ti4200 now you want us to believe a le is better too? talk about fanboyism).
The 8500 is a good card, the 9700 rocks, but the 8500 CAN NOT beat the ti4200, THE ONLY VALID ARGUMENT IN THE 8500'S FAVOR IS IF THE ADDITIONAL 20-30 BUCKS WAS WORTH MORE TO YOU THAN THE ADDED PERFORMANCE.
arguing from a pure performance standpoint is BULLSHIT, and it is obviously fanboy fud.
PS: doom3 will run fine on a 64 meg gf4 overclocked, ill put money on it.
PPS: you flamed me first, and I respect you, I had thought you respected me, apparently I was wrong.
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