How to make trades on US East SC Ladder

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I've got some uniques to unload, trying to find a Naj's Plate to
complete my set. So far, using the trade chat room and creating games
like "Need Naj Plate" have yielded no results.

Are there other ways to make trades effectively of these sets/uniques?

I have a +3 Thunderstroke, 4 insight sticks (2 cedar staves, voulge,
coloss. voulge), runemaster and swordguard I could hopefully trade one
of these for Naj's.

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I think easiest way is to offer Pgems(about 12+ but maybe
even less) to make it worth anyones while to hunt through
there stuff for one.Generally most people already have the
uniques/set items you have or dont want them anyway.If the
Runemaster is 5 socket you might have a chance selling it.

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"Patrick Vervoorn" <patrick.vervoorn@NOSPAM.perihelion.demon.nl> wrote in
message news:18b51$42c17231$82a1d3bf$14990@news2.tudelft.nl...
> In article <6Hawe.20670$sg7.215217@weber.videotron.net>,
> Nobody <anonymous@bogus.invalid> wrote:
> >I've got some uniques to unload, trying to find a Naj's Plate to
> >complete my set. So far, using the trade chat room and creating games
> >like "Need Naj Plate" have yielded no results.
> >
> >Are there other ways to make trades effectively of these sets/uniques?
> >
> >I have a +3 Thunderstroke, 4 insight sticks (2 cedar staves, voulge,
> >coloss. voulge), runemaster and swordguard I could hopefully trade one
> >of these for Naj's.
>
> Too bad you're not on SCL Eur; I think I have 1 or 2 of these on my mules,
> which I wouldn't have any problem parting with...
>
> Anyway, on SCL Eur it's not a very 'wanted' armor, so it should be
> possible to get it for a few pgems at most.


*scratches his head and looks puzzled*
That end paragraph confuses me... typo or unrelated info? :¬/

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"Patrick Vervoorn" <patrick.vervoorn@NOSPAM.perihelion.demon.nl> wrote in
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> In article <Puewe.73665$Vj3.62987@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> Trammel <Me@Server.com> wrote:
> >"Patrick Vervoorn" <patrick.vervoorn@NOSPAM.perihelion.demon.nl> wrote in
> >message news:18b51$42c17231$82a1d3bf$14990@news2.tudelft.nl...
>
> >> Too bad you're not on SCL Eur; I think I have 1 or 2 of these on my
mules,
> >> which I wouldn't have any problem parting with...
> >>
> >> Anyway, on SCL Eur it's not a very 'wanted' armor, so it should be
> >> possible to get it for a few pgems at most.
> >
> >*scratches his head and looks puzzled*
> >That end paragraph confuses me... typo or unrelated info? :¬/
>
> What part don't you understand? I have a few of them, cannot for the life
> of me get rid of them, even for a few pgems, and I have no indication it
> would be anything different on another realm.
>
> So if the OP really wants this armor, he should be able to acquire it
> quite cheap by offering some pgems for one.
>
> The problem is probably that most people who read his game-name don't have
> that armor because they perhaps throw it away/sell it to Charsi, when
> finding it...


Ahhh... Ok - now I get what you meant :¬)

I thought you were saying you had some in one paragraph; then in the other
paragraph saying you wanted to buy some for pGems... made me a little
confused - lol

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~misfit~ wrote:
> It's fairly 'wanted' in USW HCL. I entered a 'trade for pgems' game with 40+
> Pgems and after a half-hour didn't see anything I really wanted so bought
> afew semi-useful things. Then a guy comes in who has one. I have 17 Pgems
> left and he says that it goes for at least 25 and won't let me have it for
> 17. Since then I've been in a few trade games and asked but nobody has it.
> I've heard tell it's a popular item and hard to get. Then again, HC is
> different from SC. I rarely used it in SC but in HC the +1 skills, fairly
> high defence and 25% resist all is pure gold. Especially if you're rune-poor
> as I am and unable to make the really nice armours that offer more.

Interesting.

I finally traded this morning an insight thresher for the Naj Plate,
thus completing the Naj set. Not sure what insights go for in terms of
PGEMs, but I certainly can build one faster than 17 pgems doing NM
countess runs. Maybe I've just been lucking finding 4-socket polearms.

I've got close to 400 MF and just made it to act II in hell (level 72).
I have to wait a few more levels before I can use the Naj's puzzler
(staff) but it should be worth it as the full set is +3 to skills I think.

Off topic a bit, but does the difficulty level (normal, NM, Hell) make a
difference in terms of rune quality for countess runs?


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In article <O5pwe.39887$sg7.531090@weber.videotron.net>,
Nobody <anonymous@bogus.invalid> wrote:

>I finally traded this morning an insight thresher for the Naj Plate,
>thus completing the Naj set. Not sure what insights go for in terms of
>PGEMs, but I certainly can build one faster than 17 pgems doing NM
>countess runs. Maybe I've just been lucking finding 4-socket polearms.

Insight, like most variable stat runewords, can be quite valuable, if you
have a nice roll. I.e., for an Insight polearm, close to 270%ED, and close
to the max lvl17 Meditation aura.

Spirits with a nice roll are also quite valuable.

>I've got close to 400 MF and just made it to act II in hell (level 72).
>I have to wait a few more levels before I can use the Naj's puzzler
>(staff) but it should be worth it as the full set is +3 to skills I think.

+1 on the armor, +1 on the staff and +1 on the complete set, so you're
correct.

The thing I'm wondering about is: Why do people use this set?

It's stats are nice, but nothing more than that. And because you use a
staff, you lose the shield. Just a random selection of unique gear that
would be better:

Any nice rare +2 sorc orb, or any unique orb
Spirit Monarch/Lidless Wall/Visceratuant
Skin of the Vipermagi
+2 sorc circlet/Harlequin's Crest

Lots more skills (which is what a sorceress needs), probably more resists
too, despite the 25+50 from the complete set. I think it's a pretty
underpowered set. But, bonus-points for originality!

I do like the staff, as an on-switch weapon, for it's large amount of
Teleport charges for use on a non-sorc character.

>Off topic a bit, but does the difficulty level (normal, NM, Hell) make a
>difference in terms of rune quality for countess runs?

This has been answered already, but I can confirm that: yes. So, if you
can, run Hell countess for runes.

Regards,

Patrick.

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Trammel wrote:
> "Nobody" <anonymous@bogus.invalid> wrote in message
> news5pwe.39887$sg7.531090@weber.videotron.net...
>
>>Off topic a bit, but does the difficulty level (normal, NM, Hell) make a
>>difference in terms of rune quality for countess runs?
>
>
> This might help:
> http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=189679
> (Rune finding FAQ)

Thanks. I'm curious about the source of this information. I've even seen
drop calculators (ATMA, indiablo.de, etc.) as well. But where is the
*true* source of these numbers? Has someone reverse-engineered the
software logic of the drops, or is it based on empirical information?

I don't recall ever seeing the source of this information. Not that I'm
doubting its validity, but Ronald Reagan always said "Trust, but verify."

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In article <HAywe.44246$sg7.671300@weber.videotron.net>,
Nobody <anonymous@bogus.invalid> wrote:
>Patrick Vervoorn wrote:
>> +1 on the armor, +1 on the staff and +1 on the complete set, so you're
>> correct.
>>
>> The thing I'm wondering about is: Why do people use this set?
>>
>> It's stats are nice, but nothing more than that. And because you use a
>> staff, you lose the shield. Just a random selection of unique gear that
>> would be better:
>>
>> Any nice rare +2 sorc orb, or any unique orb
>> Spirit Monarch/Lidless Wall/Visceratuant
>> Skin of the Vipermagi
>> +2 sorc circlet/Harlequin's Crest
>
>Good point. However, apart from the Skin of the Vipermagi, I've not yet
>found anything this uber.

Nice, what's the res on this Vipermagi you found? Hold on to that Skin of
the Vipermagi, because it's probably one of the best unique armors
available for a sorceress (or any spellcaster for that matter).

And the stuff I mentioned isn't uber, really. Uber is something like
Nightwings Veil, or Deaths Fathom, Crown of Ages, etc. What I mentioned
is actually rather mundane/cheap stuff.

>Eyeless shield has served its time, didn't aim
>to make a spirit shield (but I like the idea).

Both of my sorcs (one CL/FO, the other FB/Blizzard) use a Spirit Monarch,
and despite the rather steep Str requirements, I like the benefits it
gives. Definately recommended, if you're willing to spare the Str, or have
a good source for Str.

>I have found nice belts,
>boots and ammy. Most gear is MF right now. Finding the circlet and
>puzzler practically back-to-back upon starting hell (first online bnet
>char to play) was my motivation to complete.

Ah, yes, finding stuff yourself is always nice, but sometimes it's also
handy to be able to ignore the lure of equipping a rather underpowered
set.

One thing to also keep in mind: you lose any block you had when you switch
from an orb/shield setup to a staff. Plus there's a cheap way to gain
another +19 res-all on a shield, by socketing it with a PDiamond. And if
it's resists you want, Moser's Blessed circle is also very nice: built-in
resists, two open sockets (for 2 x PDiamond)... If it's maxed block you
want, the options are less open of course.

>> Lots more skills (which is what a sorceress needs), probably more resists
>> too, despite the 25+50 from the complete set. I think it's a pretty
>> underpowered set. But, bonus-points for originality!
>
>Having trouble in hell right now because of weak resists. Thought that
>this would serve well until I get some other gear. I'm even having probs
>doing pit runs (haven't actually managed one!). The +50 resists should
>do me well.

So what is your current equipment? (And did you mention what type of sorc
you're building, I'll take a look further up-thread after I post this..

If you have problems in Hell due to resists and not-so-good gear, just
stay a bit longer in NM, and farm the usual suspects there (NM Mephisto,
NM Baal) are still able to drop quite nice stuff. Perhaps you then find
stuff which does allow you to enter Hell with more confidence.

And while an Um might look to you like something you can never acquire,
it's actually not that hard. You just need a bit of luck to scrape
together some items which you can then trade for either an Um directly, or
for some Puls and cubing up your own Um. Stuff the Um in an armor or
Helmet for some extra safety if you'd like...

On the other hand, playing Hell with less-the-uber gear is also a great
way to acquire more playing skills, because you need to be a lot more
alert in that case.

>> I do like the staff, as an on-switch weapon, for it's large amount of
>> Teleport charges for use on a non-sorc character.
>
>Cool - I may pass this on to my skellimancer when I outgrow the set. I'm
>still trying to get the hang of teleporting.

Mine used a Naj's Puzzler for exactly that purpose until I could finally
scrape an Enigma together; works rather nice. The problem with the Naj's
Puzzler were the costs of repairing those charges; with a free Teleport
(from Engima) I can finally Teleport all I want with him, and it makes him
even more powerful...

Regards,

Patrick.

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~misfit~ wrote:
> Patrick Vervoorn wrote:
> > In article <42c1f8ef$1@news.orcon.net.nz>,
> > ~misfit~ <misfit61nz@yahoot.co.nz> wrote:
> >> Patrick Vervoorn wrote:
> >
> >> It's fairly 'wanted' in USW HCL. I entered a 'trade for pgems' game
> >> with 40+ Pgems and after a half-hour didn't see anything I really
> >> wanted so bought afew semi-useful things. Then a guy comes in who
> >> has one. I have 17 Pgems left and he says that it goes for at least
> >> 25 and won't let me have it for
> >> 17.

In my trading experience on WHCL, depending on the resists, a Viper can
go for 6 pgems (20 res). A perfect one goes for about a Pul. 25 Res
goes for about 10-15 pgems. 30 Res for about 20-25 pgems. Maybe the
other guy had a high resist Viper.