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COREYdamian   11-02-2002 at 06:29:02 PM

Ok, I think I have made a big mistake. I had GeForce 2 Pro GTS 64 megs and I went out and bought GeForce 4 MX 440 64 meg. I have been playing a lot of battlefield 1942 lately and with my old GTS Pro everything runs and looks smooth but with my new MX 440 when you look around and side to side it's not smooth, it's very jerky. I have the new drivers for both and all that, my question is this, is there some way for me to get better proformance out of my MX 440 than from my GTS Pro or am I out the money I spent on the new 440? I benched marked the 440 using Mark 2001 and got a score of 2234 my score with my old card was 5324, when I comopared my 440 score of 2234 with other exact systems their scores were in the 6000. I don't know what do do please help.

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Skipper007   11-02-2002 at 07:01:35 PM
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You got 5324 with a Geforce 2 Pro? I only got 3974 last time I tried.

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NurseMSIC   11-02-2002 at 07:26:39 PM
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I think you do have some problem currently with your 440 setup.
That said, i think the performance of the two should be about the same.
You REALLY shouldnt have changed at GF2 GTS for a GF4 440. Bad idea. Try to sell the 440 as you'd probably get more people (who have little knowledge) looking to buy a "GeForce 4" than a "GeForce 2".

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sturm   11-02-2002 at 07:30:33 PM
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did u completely uninstall the drivers and any software for the old card. u could be have a driver issue with old drivers and new card.

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COREYdamian   11-03-2002 at 03:39:23 PM
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GeForce cards use all the same drivers, but yes I did

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NurseMSIC   11-03-2002 at 08:55:55 PM
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Hmm, have you tried installing an overclocking utiltiy (i find Riva Tuner really good) and looking at what your GPU and Memory frequencies are? Then compare them to what they should be. (A standard GeForce 4MX 440 should be GPU 270MHz with 200MHz memory or thereabouts).

I doubt this really is your problem but i cant think of alot else.
What sort of motherboard (and chipset) is it running on?

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mrwhipper   11-04-2002 at 04:36:08 PM
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Corey, there is not much difference in performane between the two cards. YOu need to return the MX card. Get your self a GeForce 4 Ti series. YOu will notice a BIG difference then. Sorry :( Look at Tom's benchmarking of the GeForce 4MX cards. FYI, you are right that you download the same uni-driver for all nvidia cards but, each different type of card will use a different driver with in the uni-driver. When you change a video card you need to remove the drivers before you install the new card.


Hang in there. It can only get better!

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dUFF_Man   11-04-2002 at 06:26:57 PM
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Just a quick comment,

Did you check you bios to see if the agp slot is running at 2x or 4x. This will impact performance drastically. My friend was like getting 4000 3d mark with ti 4400 then checked and saw agp at 2x. 4x 3d marks at like 8000 something. (he has a p3 900mhz so they are little low).

Hope that helps

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mrwhipper   11-04-2002 at 07:42:30 PM
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Good point! :)

Hang in there. It can only get better!

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Ghostdog   11-04-2002 at 09:04:51 PM
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duff_man, have you been enjoying your own products? :)
Do you know this for sure, that he doubled the performance by doubling the AGP setting, or did you just asume?
It´s a bit strange, since no one else seems to be affected to much by the AGP-rate. Tom and his buddies did a test comparing AGP4x GF4´s and AGP8x GF4´s, there was almost no difference.

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monkeyspank   11-05-2002 at 10:00:44 AM
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He's talking about the AGP slot, not the card. And 4X AGP allows twice the bandwidth than 2X (1.06 GB/sec as opposed to 533MB/sec)

If the card is able to crunch the data really fast but cant transfer it across the motherboard quick enough, there will be a big performance hit

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mrwhipper   11-05-2002 at 02:20:23 PM
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Yea .. I have to agree.. You are talking from 4x to 8x.. We weere talking from 2x to 4x.. There is a big performance difference from 2x to 4x. Take care.. His problem is still that the GeForce 4 MX cards are not any faster that the GeForce 2 GTS cards. He needs to ge a GEForce 4 Ti series to go faster. Take care.

Hang in there. It can only get better!

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NurseMSIC   11-05-2002 at 04:35:19 PM
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<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=64" target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=64</A>

This FAQ states that at best AGP 4x will see a 30 % improvement over AGP 2x, although usually lower.
Whilst this is measurable, and even arguably worthwhile, even AGP 4x is hardly necessary for most of the time.
As such, Nvidia and ATI's much promoted AGP 8x is nothing more than a gimmick.

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johnoh   11-05-2002 at 05:00:33 PM
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I only see 100-200 3dmark points difference between agp 2x and 4x. My fsb is 133. Maybe on old boards the double bandwidth makes a bigger difference? I score 10440 on an athlon 2000 with a Ti4200 oc'd to 275/550. Always wondered what others see as the difference between 2x and 4x, and why my system shows such a small difference.

John A

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rain_king_uk   11-05-2002 at 07:47:45 PM
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Don't forget that most of the bandwidth intensive stuff happens on-card, especially on cards with more memory on. The more fast memory on-card the less useful high-bandwidth AGP is.

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Ghostdog   11-06-2002 at 06:35:20 PM
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Monkeyspank: If he´s talking about 3D Marks then he is also talking about the card. I am aware that AGP doesn´t have to do with the actual card. I doubt you double your score by doubling the rate-setting. Never the less, I apologize for being missinformed. I´ve been told that there isn´t even a noticeble difference between AGP2x and 4x (regarding AGP8x).

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monkeyspank   11-07-2002 at 12:41:28 PM
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Sorry dude, i'm gonna check this out tonight for myself at home instead of throwing theoretical statements about.
Doesn't AGP 2X refer to a different voltage supply than 4X as well?

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monkeyspank   11-07-2002 at 12:45:49 PM
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and then i'm gonna enjoy some of Duff Mans products. ;)
nice line dude :)

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