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August 16, 2005 11:13:20 AM

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Hi all,

So, I'm building a sorc, and am kinda new at that char type. My last
sorc was pure, 100% fire (except for, *ahem*, teleport). She rocked
against all non fire immunes, but stalled fast against hordes of fire
immune fallen. Of course she was SC, so this was not a problem.

My new sorc, Mrs_fahrenheit (nice name, huh?) is HC, and is planning to
go the fire & ice route, with 20 hydra, 20 fire mastery, and 20
blizzard. I'm expecting to let the hydras kill all but the fire immune,
and use blizzard only as a back up skill. With that in mind, I'm
wondering about cold mastery. Is that something that should be maxed,
or can that be left at 1 point and then pumped with +skills? I really
would like to save those 19 points for synergy use if it's feasible to
do so...

-Jason

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Anonymous
August 16, 2005 11:17:37 AM

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Dont forget you get an extra 12 skills from quests.

I have never played a sorc, but from what I've heard, it sounds like a
skill that you only need 1 in to effectively peirce the cold
resistance.
Why Hydra and not meteor, fireball, or firewall?
August 16, 2005 11:23:19 AM

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Garret wrote:
> Why Hydra and not meteor, fireball, or firewall?

Hydras are auto targeting, and can hit guys off screen. Place a hydra
or two in a door. Watch 'em spit fire until they are done. Step
forward. Place hydras inside the room. Watch 'em spit fire until they
are done. Repeat.

Hydras can also be used as spies. Not sure if there are enemies
lurking? Place a hydra! If it sees an enemy it'll spit fire right at it!
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Anonymous
August 16, 2005 11:29:02 AM

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How do they do damagewise compared to Fireball/wall/meteor?
August 16, 2005 11:35:11 AM

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Garret wrote:
> How do they do damagewise compared to Fireball/wall/meteor?

My last sorc had 28 fire mastery and 28 hydra. Each hydra lasts 10
seconds, and there is a 2 second cast delay. This means you have a max
of 5 hydras at one time. Each hydra has 3 heads, and they fire about
once a second. Damage was about 650-800 per shot.

So

5 hydras times 3 heads each equals 15 fireball spitting heads.

15 spitting heads at 650-800 fire damage each equals 9,750 to 12,000
fire damage per second...

....AND you can cast a hydra then run away. It'll continue to kill, even
in your absence.
August 16, 2005 12:02:36 PM

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SjoerdH wrote:
> Jason wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > So, I'm building a sorc, and am kinda new at that char type. My last
> > sorc was pure, 100% fire (except for, *ahem*, teleport). She rocked
> > against all non fire immunes, but stalled fast against hordes of fire
> > immune fallen. Of course she was SC, so this was not a problem.
> >
> > My new sorc, Mrs_fahrenheit (nice name, huh?) is HC, and is planning to
> > go the fire & ice route, with 20 hydra, 20 fire mastery, and 20
> > blizzard. I'm expecting to let the hydras kill all but the fire immune,
> > and use blizzard only as a back up skill. With that in mind, I'm
> > wondering about cold mastery. Is that something that should be maxed,
> > or can that be left at 1 point and then pumped with +skills? I really
> > would like to save those 19 points for synergy use if it's feasible to
> > do so...
>
> It works nicely at lvl 1, but more levels do work. In 1.09 I think there
> were some serious diminishing returns, but now each level adds another
> -5% enemy resists, from -20% at lvl1 to -115% at lvl20. I'm not sure
> what's a good level to aim for though.

In that case, the best thing to do would be to put 1 hard point and
save the rest of my skills. Once I'm in hell, if that single point is
enough, then I can add to synergies. If not, then I'll up it until I
like the results.
August 16, 2005 1:06:43 PM

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Brian Kastel wrote:
> I didn't like the fire/ice combination, but I like to do countess runs.
> With her being CI/FI, and her Dark Stalker minions being CI, it's going to
> be a pain for your sorc. Plus, I don't think the minions will stop chasing
> your sorc just because of some hydras, either.

My trusted rabbi can make quick work of the countess. If her minions
are merely CI, then my hydras will eat them alive. I'll spam hydras in
the doorway. They'll all be dead in no time.
August 16, 2005 1:57:03 PM

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Brian Kastel wrote:
> "Jason" wrote...
> >
> > Brian Kastel wrote:
> >> I didn't like the fire/ice combination, but I like to do countess runs.
> >> With her being CI/FI, and her Dark Stalker minions being CI, it's going
> >> to
> >> be a pain for your sorc. Plus, I don't think the minions will stop
> >> chasing
> >> your sorc just because of some hydras, either.
> >
> > My trusted rabbi can make quick work of the countess. If her minions
> > are merely CI, then my hydras will eat them alive. I'll spam hydras in
> > the doorway. They'll all be dead in no time.
>
>
> How is your rabbi dressed?

I'm only level 19, in act 2 normal. Let me answer this question once I
get to hell. ;) 
Anonymous
August 16, 2005 2:18:39 PM

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Sorceress don't need any clothes, what are you talking about? ;) 
August 16, 2005 2:28:20 PM

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Garret wrote:
> Sorceress don't need any clothes, what are you talking about? ;) 

They can't just walk around nekid! This is a kids game, ya know!

-Jason

P.S. He was asking about my rabbi. (Rabbi = norm/hell act 2 combat merc
with prayer aura).
Anonymous
August 16, 2005 2:47:21 PM

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This game is rated M, so its not really a kids game. Isn't andariel
topless, and the succumbus and harpies in the crystalline passage
topless as well? They're pretty ugly though. Whos better looking: The
sorc, amazon, or assassin? I'd pick the sorc.
I just noticed the other day, but take some time to actually look at
mephistos room - its gotta be the most disgusting place ever. Thats M
for ya.

Jason wrote:
> They can't just walk around nekid! This is a kids game, ya know!
August 16, 2005 3:18:18 PM

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Brian Kastel wrote:
> "Jason" wrote...
> >
> > Brian Kastel wrote:
> >> "Jason" wrote...
> >> >
> >> > Brian Kastel wrote:
> >> >> I didn't like the fire/ice combination, but I like to do countess
> >> >> runs.
> >> >> With her being CI/FI, and her Dark Stalker minions being CI, it's
> >> >> going
> >> >> to
> >> >> be a pain for your sorc. Plus, I don't think the minions will stop
> >> >> chasing
> >> >> your sorc just because of some hydras, either.
> >> >
> >> > My trusted rabbi can make quick work of the countess. If her minions
> >> > are merely CI, then my hydras will eat them alive. I'll spam hydras in
> >> > the doorway. They'll all be dead in no time.
> >>
> >>
> >> How is your rabbi dressed?
> >
> > I'm only level 19, in act 2 normal. Let me answer this question once I
> > get to hell. ;) 
>
>
> Ah... Well, she is the Countess to whom I was referring, after all. :) 

..... did I miss something here? Suddenly I'm getting images of Rabbi's
and Countesses shagging on the carpet! Ew!
August 16, 2005 3:37:05 PM

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Brian Kastel wrote:
> "Jason" wrote...
> >
> > Brian Kastel wrote:
> >> "Jason" wrote...
> >> >
> >> > Brian Kastel wrote:
> >> >> "Jason" wrote...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Brian Kastel wrote:
> >> >> >> I didn't like the fire/ice combination, but I like to do countess
> >> >> >> runs.
> >> >> >> With her being CI/FI, and her Dark Stalker minions being CI, it's
> >> >> >> going
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> be a pain for your sorc. Plus, I don't think the minions will stop
> >> >> >> chasing
> >> >> >> your sorc just because of some hydras, either.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My trusted rabbi can make quick work of the countess. If her minions
> >> >> > are merely CI, then my hydras will eat them alive. I'll spam hydras
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the doorway. They'll all be dead in no time.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> How is your rabbi dressed?
> >> >
> >> > I'm only level 19, in act 2 normal. Let me answer this question once I
> >> > get to hell. ;) 
> >>
> >>
> >> Ah... Well, she is the Countess to whom I was referring, after all. :) 
> >
> > .... did I miss something here? Suddenly I'm getting images of Rabbi's
> > and Countesses shagging on the carpet! Ew!
>
> You missed nothing. The best I could had for my previous character's merc
> was Duriel's Shell, Insight Thresher, and some green hat. That was why I
> asked. I had the HF NM A2 merc, and he just seemed to die a lot. Since you
> mentioned in the other branch that your merc is a prayer merc, that may
> explain something. I'd never heard the term "rabbi" used before, and I was
> unaware that it specifically denoted a prayer merc.
>
> I learned to use teleport a lot, which lengthened my merc's life since he
> and the monsters had to take time to regroup as hail and lightning continued
> to work them over (Blizzard and Charged Bolt).

I see.... I'll give my merc whatever armor/helm I can find. Crown of
Thieves is ideal. Durial's is awesome, if I can find it. An Honor'ed
lance or war Pike would be good enough for damage. His job is to act as
crowd control while healing me at 20 HP ever 2-3 seconds. Aside from
that all he needs to really do is kill the occasional fire and ice
immune boss.
August 16, 2005 4:01:25 PM

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Brian Kastel wrote:
> "Jason" wrote...
> > I see.... I'll give my merc whatever armor/helm I can find. Crown of
> > Thieves is ideal. Durial's is awesome, if I can find it. An Honor'ed
> > lance or war Pike would be good enough for damage. His job is to act as
> > crowd control while healing me at 20 HP ever 2-3 seconds. Aside from
> > that all he needs to really do is kill the occasional fire and ice
> > immune boss.
>
> I wouldn't count on that happening very often in Hell. ;)  Be prepared to
> give up on some bosses.

Never! Once I killed a fire/physical immune council member (one of the
named ones) with my fire sorc using a lightning enchanted wand! We
cornered him in one of the buildings in Trav, my merc pinned him to the
wall with his lance. He was unable to hurt him, but he kept him busy. I
smacked away with my magic wand. It took 10 minutes but we did it!
Anonymous
August 16, 2005 7:49:31 PM

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"Jason" wrote...
> Hi all,
>
> So, I'm building a sorc, and am kinda new at that char type. My last
> sorc was pure, 100% fire (except for, *ahem*, teleport). She rocked
> against all non fire immunes, but stalled fast against hordes of fire
> immune fallen. Of course she was SC, so this was not a problem.
>
> My new sorc, Mrs_fahrenheit (nice name, huh?) is HC, and is planning to
> go the fire & ice route, with 20 hydra, 20 fire mastery, and 20
> blizzard. I'm expecting to let the hydras kill all but the fire immune,
> and use blizzard only as a back up skill. With that in mind, I'm
> wondering about cold mastery. Is that something that should be maxed,
> or can that be left at 1 point and then pumped with +skills? I really
> would like to save those 19 points for synergy use if it's feasible to
> do so...


I didn't like the fire/ice combination, but I like to do countess runs.
With her being CI/FI, and her Dark Stalker minions being CI, it's going to
be a pain for your sorc. Plus, I don't think the minions will stop chasing
your sorc just because of some hydras, either.
Anonymous
August 16, 2005 8:12:01 PM

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"Jason" wrote...
>
> Brian Kastel wrote:
>> I didn't like the fire/ice combination, but I like to do countess runs.
>> With her being CI/FI, and her Dark Stalker minions being CI, it's going
>> to
>> be a pain for your sorc. Plus, I don't think the minions will stop
>> chasing
>> your sorc just because of some hydras, either.
>
> My trusted rabbi can make quick work of the countess. If her minions
> are merely CI, then my hydras will eat them alive. I'll spam hydras in
> the doorway. They'll all be dead in no time.


How is your rabbi dressed?
Anonymous
August 16, 2005 8:54:18 PM

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Jason wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> So, I'm building a sorc, and am kinda new at that char type. My last
> sorc was pure, 100% fire (except for, *ahem*, teleport). She rocked
> against all non fire immunes, but stalled fast against hordes of fire
> immune fallen. Of course she was SC, so this was not a problem.
>
> My new sorc, Mrs_fahrenheit (nice name, huh?) is HC, and is planning to
> go the fire & ice route, with 20 hydra, 20 fire mastery, and 20
> blizzard. I'm expecting to let the hydras kill all but the fire immune,
> and use blizzard only as a back up skill. With that in mind, I'm
> wondering about cold mastery. Is that something that should be maxed,
> or can that be left at 1 point and then pumped with +skills? I really
> would like to save those 19 points for synergy use if it's feasible to
> do so...

It works nicely at lvl 1, but more levels do work. In 1.09 I think there
were some serious diminishing returns, but now each level adds another
-5% enemy resists, from -20% at lvl1 to -115% at lvl20. I'm not sure
what's a good level to aim for though.
Anonymous
August 16, 2005 9:29:28 PM

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"Jason" wrote...
>
> Brian Kastel wrote:
>> "Jason" wrote...
>> >
>> > Brian Kastel wrote:
>> >> I didn't like the fire/ice combination, but I like to do countess
>> >> runs.
>> >> With her being CI/FI, and her Dark Stalker minions being CI, it's
>> >> going
>> >> to
>> >> be a pain for your sorc. Plus, I don't think the minions will stop
>> >> chasing
>> >> your sorc just because of some hydras, either.
>> >
>> > My trusted rabbi can make quick work of the countess. If her minions
>> > are merely CI, then my hydras will eat them alive. I'll spam hydras in
>> > the doorway. They'll all be dead in no time.
>>
>>
>> How is your rabbi dressed?
>
> I'm only level 19, in act 2 normal. Let me answer this question once I
> get to hell. ;) 


Ah... Well, she is the Countess to whom I was referring, after all. :) 

LOL
Anonymous
August 16, 2005 10:26:11 PM

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"Jason" wrote...
>
> Brian Kastel wrote:
>> "Jason" wrote...
>> >
>> > Brian Kastel wrote:
>> >> "Jason" wrote...
>> >> >
>> >> > Brian Kastel wrote:
>> >> >> I didn't like the fire/ice combination, but I like to do countess
>> >> >> runs.
>> >> >> With her being CI/FI, and her Dark Stalker minions being CI, it's
>> >> >> going
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> be a pain for your sorc. Plus, I don't think the minions will stop
>> >> >> chasing
>> >> >> your sorc just because of some hydras, either.
>> >> >
>> >> > My trusted rabbi can make quick work of the countess. If her minions
>> >> > are merely CI, then my hydras will eat them alive. I'll spam hydras
>> >> > in
>> >> > the doorway. They'll all be dead in no time.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> How is your rabbi dressed?
>> >
>> > I'm only level 19, in act 2 normal. Let me answer this question once I
>> > get to hell. ;) 
>>
>>
>> Ah... Well, she is the Countess to whom I was referring, after all. :) 
>
> .... did I miss something here? Suddenly I'm getting images of Rabbi's
> and Countesses shagging on the carpet! Ew!

You missed nothing. The best I could had for my previous character's merc
was Duriel's Shell, Insight Thresher, and some green hat. That was why I
asked. I had the HF NM A2 merc, and he just seemed to die a lot. Since you
mentioned in the other branch that your merc is a prayer merc, that may
explain something. I'd never heard the term "rabbi" used before, and I was
unaware that it specifically denoted a prayer merc.

I learned to use teleport a lot, which lengthened my merc's life since he
and the monsters had to take time to regroup as hail and lightning continued
to work them over (Blizzard and Charged Bolt).
Anonymous
August 16, 2005 10:49:58 PM

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"Jason" wrote...
>
> Brian Kastel wrote:
>> "Jason" wrote...
>> >
>> > Brian Kastel wrote:
>> >> "Jason" wrote...
>> >> >
>> >> > Brian Kastel wrote:
>> >> >> "Jason" wrote...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Brian Kastel wrote:
>> >> >> >> I didn't like the fire/ice combination, but I like to do
>> >> >> >> countess
>> >> >> >> runs.
>> >> >> >> With her being CI/FI, and her Dark Stalker minions being CI,
>> >> >> >> it's
>> >> >> >> going
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> be a pain for your sorc. Plus, I don't think the minions will
>> >> >> >> stop
>> >> >> >> chasing
>> >> >> >> your sorc just because of some hydras, either.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > My trusted rabbi can make quick work of the countess. If her
>> >> >> > minions
>> >> >> > are merely CI, then my hydras will eat them alive. I'll spam
>> >> >> > hydras
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > the doorway. They'll all be dead in no time.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How is your rabbi dressed?
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm only level 19, in act 2 normal. Let me answer this question once
>> >> > I
>> >> > get to hell. ;) 
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ah... Well, she is the Countess to whom I was referring, after all.
>> >> :) 
>> >
>> > .... did I miss something here? Suddenly I'm getting images of Rabbi's
>> > and Countesses shagging on the carpet! Ew!
>>
>> You missed nothing. The best I could had for my previous character's
>> merc
>> was Duriel's Shell, Insight Thresher, and some green hat. That was why I
>> asked. I had the HF NM A2 merc, and he just seemed to die a lot. Since
>> you
>> mentioned in the other branch that your merc is a prayer merc, that may
>> explain something. I'd never heard the term "rabbi" used before, and I
>> was
>> unaware that it specifically denoted a prayer merc.
>>
>> I learned to use teleport a lot, which lengthened my merc's life since he
>> and the monsters had to take time to regroup as hail and lightning
>> continued
>> to work them over (Blizzard and Charged Bolt).
>
> I see.... I'll give my merc whatever armor/helm I can find. Crown of
> Thieves is ideal. Durial's is awesome, if I can find it. An Honor'ed
> lance or war Pike would be good enough for damage. His job is to act as
> crowd control while healing me at 20 HP ever 2-3 seconds. Aside from
> that all he needs to really do is kill the occasional fire and ice
> immune boss.

I wouldn't count on that happening very often in Hell. ;)  Be prepared to
give up on some bosses.
Anonymous
August 17, 2005 1:41:09 AM

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Jason wrote:
> Garret wrote:
>
>>Sorceress don't need any clothes, what are you talking about? ;) 
>
> They can't just walk around nekid! This is a kids game, ya know!
>
> -Jason
>
> P.S. He was asking about my rabbi. (Rabbi = norm/hell act 2 combat merc
> with prayer aura).

I suggest they both go in the nude. >_>
!