Ok guys this is extrapolated benchmarks FROM nvidia show the nv30 running unreal 2003 at 103 fps at 4aa 8 af on a 3ghz p4 at 1280*1024 at anandtech same resolution slower p4 r9700 at 71 fps. This is very interesting cause thats means clock for clock the nv30 is just as powerful as the r9700. Hmmmmm so when Ati releases the r10000 around the same time as nv30 Nvidia may actually lose the performance crown after gaining it back for just a few weeks or two months at most. Don't flame me just expressing my opinion open to constructive arguments.