Australia and Civ

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Australia does seem to follow the rules of Civ.
Sydney and Melbourne, our two largest and most productive cities are closest
to the capital Canberra.
Brisbane is smaller, further away and less productive while Adelaide and
especially Perth are so far away that they don't produce much in the way of
sheilds.
Darwin was recently linked to the national rail system but it is small and
so far from the capital that it doesn't produce much sheilds either!

Sydney does have a bad smog problem so they really need to build a solar
plant to soak up the pollution. Unfortunately our Government is talking of
building another coal fired power station, so a coal plant it is with all
those extra pollution skulls!
Sydney also has a Great Wonder, the Sydney Opera House (makes people happy
and is a tourist attraction) and a small wonder, the Harbour Bridge
(increases trade and is also a tourist attraction).
War weariness is not much of a problem from our involvement in Iraq due to
lots of police stations!
However, one police station was burnt down on Palm Island by restless
natives!

Our military is going to get an upgrade, with lots of gold to be spent on
upgrading our tanks to modern armour and also upgrading some infantry to
mech. infantry.
Later will come some new destroyers and later still stealth fighters (Joint
Strike Fighter).
This is all paid for with our country's tax/science/luxury slider set pretty
high on tax, as we are one of the highest taxing countries in the OECD.
Most of our techs are bought from America and most of our luxuries imported
from other civs too.
But unlike Civ, we've been running deficits ever since that first settler
plonked down his backpack in Sydney Cove in 1788!!

 

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I think you forget the Universal Suffrage Wonder there.

----

Well, for the US, we have a FP in Los Angeles so corruption and waste
is minimal except in Alaska & Hawaii, where it in still quite high even
with a Court House and Police Station in every city. Alaska is still
very valuable as a spare Oil stregatic resource + a Fur luxary
resource.

We have largely replaced the Rail Network with Interstate Highways,
which allow much faster passenger traffic. This also retains the
ability to double the affect of artifical irrigation, allowing people
to live in the natural desert in Phoenix, Tucson, El Paso, etc.

Some our largest cities, most noticably Los Angeles does suffer from a
pollution problem, which the mass transit station there was unable to
elimate all the population caused polution.

Los Angeles also contains the Hollywood wonder and New York City the
Mass Telvision wonder, but these wonders seem to make as many naturally
content people unhappy as they make other naturally content people
happy.

We also have the Wall Street Wonder in New York generating extra
income, and the UN in New York, but are currently fillibustering the
motion to establish a ruling country.

There is also the Hoover Dam Great Wonder that's acting as a free
Hydroelectric power plant on every city in the mainland.

Some of our largest cities do have a noticeable amount of War
Werriousness, but the large amount of luxaries imported plus the use of
the luxary slider setting offset this enough to keep our Democracy from
falling.

We are currently in the process of cash-rushing a new unit called the
armored personal carrier.

We sell most of our techs to help fund the reserach of new techs and
reduce the cost of importing luxaries to maintagn 7 unique types.

Furs : Alaska
Wine : California
Dye : South Carolina
Spice : Imported from Carribean
Silk : Imported from China
Gems : Imported from South Africa
Incense : Imported from Middle East

Some of our largest cities have too much people to actually work tiles,
and so have been turned into a mix of Scientists, Entertainers, Civil
Engineers, Police Men, and Tax Men.

We've built up a very large tresury account between 1870 and 1910 and
so we've been able to run a deficit most years since 1932 without yet
having city structures sold off.

 

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<joncnunn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I think you forget the Universal Suffrage Wonder there.
>
> ----
>
> Well, for the US, we have a FP in Los Angeles so corruption and waste
> is minimal except in Alaska & Hawaii, where it in still quite high even
> with a Court House and Police Station in every city. Alaska is still
> very valuable as a spare Oil stregatic resource + a Fur luxary
> resource.
>
> We have largely replaced the Rail Network with Interstate Highways,
> which allow much faster passenger traffic. This also retains the
> ability to double the affect of artifical irrigation, allowing people
> to live in the natural desert in Phoenix, Tucson, El Paso, etc.
>
> Some our largest cities, most noticably Los Angeles does suffer from a
> pollution problem, which the mass transit station there was unable to
> elimate all the population caused polution.
>
> Los Angeles also contains the Hollywood wonder and New York City the
> Mass Telvision wonder, but these wonders seem to make as many naturally
> content people unhappy as they make other naturally content people
> happy.
>
> We also have the Wall Street Wonder in New York generating extra
> income, and the UN in New York, but are currently fillibustering the
> motion to establish a ruling country.
>
> There is also the Hoover Dam Great Wonder that's acting as a free
> Hydroelectric power plant on every city in the mainland.
>
> Some of our largest cities do have a noticeable amount of War
> Werriousness, but the large amount of luxaries imported plus the use of
> the luxary slider setting offset this enough to keep our Democracy from
> falling.
>
> We are currently in the process of cash-rushing a new unit called the
> armored personal carrier.
>
> We sell most of our techs to help fund the reserach of new techs and
> reduce the cost of importing luxaries to maintagn 7 unique types.
>
> Furs : Alaska
> Wine : California
> Dye : South Carolina
> Spice : Imported from Carribean
> Silk : Imported from China
> Gems : Imported from South Africa
> Incense : Imported from Middle East
>
> Some of our largest cities have too much people to actually work tiles,
> and so have been turned into a mix of Scientists, Entertainers, Civil
> Engineers, Police Men, and Tax Men.
>
> We've built up a very large tresury account between 1870 and 1910 and
> so we've been able to run a deficit most years since 1932 without yet
> having city structures sold off.
>

Don't forget we export jobs and import the stuff that was made here by those
jobs. We also buy workers from other civs so we don't have to pay for our
own workers, who instead become specialists or happy via the Social Security
and Welfare wonders

 

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<joncnunn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I think you forget the Universal Suffrage Wonder there.

Yes, we were one of the first countries to give women the vote and did have
a large suffrage movement at that time.

>
> ----
>
> Well, for the US, we have a FP in Los Angeles so corruption and waste
> is minimal except in Alaska & Hawaii, where it in still quite high even
> with a Court House and Police Station in every city. Alaska is still
> very valuable as a spare Oil stregatic resource + a Fur luxary
> resource.
>
We have Bass Strait, in between Victoria and Tasmania with an oil resource
and also the North West Shelf near Timor with oil (and gas). There is
argument at the moment that we are taking oil from East Timor, but in this
case the bigger civ wins!

New Zealand is in danger of flipping to Australia in the next hundred turns
or so as we are the dominant culture in this region.

> We have largely replaced the Rail Network with Interstate Highways,
> which allow much faster passenger traffic. This also retains the
> ability to double the affect of artifical irrigation, allowing people
> to live in the natural desert in Phoenix, Tucson, El Paso, etc.
>

We're also upgrading our interstate highways and freeways in the lager
cities.
We also have the Ord River Scheme, a huge dam in north west Australia to
provide irrigation in the tropics. We grow most of our rice there and export
some of this to........wait for it...........ASIA!!

> Some our largest cities, most noticably Los Angeles does suffer from a
> pollution problem, which the mass transit station there was unable to
> elimate all the population caused polution.
>
Lots of gold will have to be spent on Mass Transit for Sydney as we are
growing by about one pop. point (1,000 a week) every few years. Must be the
effect of those huge grain silos I've seen near the city!

> Los Angeles also contains the Hollywood wonder and New York City the
> Mass Telvision wonder, but these wonders seem to make as many naturally
> content people unhappy as they make other naturally content people
> happy.
>

Sydney has the Fox Studios, where much of the Star Wars prequels were made.
That probably counts as a Hollywood small wonder.

> We also have the Wall Street Wonder in New York generating extra
> income, and the UN in New York, but are currently fillibustering the
> motion to establish a ruling country.

Sydney is considered the financial capital of our region, so I guess we have
the Wall Street small wonder here too.

>
> There is also the Hoover Dam Great Wonder that's acting as a free
> Hydroelectric power plant on every city in the mainland.
>

We have the Snowy Mountains Scheme, our version of the Hoover Dam supplying
hydro power to the industrialised east coast.

> Some of our largest cities do have a noticeable amount of War
> Werriousness, but the large amount of luxaries imported plus the use of
> the luxary slider setting offset this enough to keep our Democracy from
> falling.
>
The approval rating for Prime Minister John Howard is presently about 60%
which is good for a Democracy and war weariness is not a problem because
most people here really don't seem to give a toss about the war.
Typical Australian attitude really!!

Australia has a Mutual Protection Pact with the U.S. as well as Right of
Passage.........there is always USN ships in Sydney Harbour and USAF planes
at our air bases.


> We are currently in the process of cash-rushing a new unit called the
> armored personal carrier.
>

Australia has its own UU.....the Collins class sub. Diesel powered, costs
more than twice as much as it should have but has been commended by the U.S.
Navy in joint excercises as being "very stealthy and silent".........when
it's running properly!! I think there is still more gold to be spent on them
before they are fully capable.

> We sell most of our techs to help fund the reserach of new techs and
> reduce the cost of importing luxaries to maintagn 7 unique types.
>
And we buy most of your techs!

> Furs : Alaska
> Wine : California
> Dye : South Carolina
> Spice : Imported from Carribean
> Silk : Imported from China
> Gems : Imported from South Africa
> Incense : Imported from Middle East
>

We have:
Coal : Hunter Valley and LaTrobe Valley (almost within the city radii of
Sydney and Melbourne!)
Iron : Hammersly Ranges and Pilbara
Uranium : Kakadu National Park!!! (which causes a few unhappy faces!)
Oil : Bass Strait and North West Shelf
Aluminium : Weipa

Gems : Argyle diamond mine.
Wines in various places
Fur : rabbits everywhere!
Tobacco : Mareeba far north Queensland

Australia exports strategic resources to the U.S. such as iron ore,
aluminium, uranium and luxuries such as wine and cars.
We also export coal and gas to China.
Before WW2 we also exported scrap iron to Japan, which came back to us as
bombs!!

> Some of our largest cities have too much people to actually work tiles,
> and so have been turned into a mix of Scientists, Entertainers, Civil
> Engineers, Police Men, and Tax Men.
>

Our largest cities have unhappy people who refuse to work tiles. They are
called "dole bludgers" (welfare cheats) but usually leave the cities to go
surfing at Byron Bay which makes them content! Last time I went to Byron Bay
I saw not one unhappy citizen!!
We also have specialists called politicians of which we have far too many
for a country this size!!

> We've built up a very large tresury account between 1870 and 1910 and
> so we've been able to run a deficit most years since 1932 without yet
> having city structures sold off.
>

We just sell Australian owned companies to the highest bidder!!

 

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"Tzar Sasha" <tzar_sasha@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> <joncnunn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1102630456.111952.119540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > I think you forget the Universal Suffrage Wonder there.
> >
> > ----
> >
> > Well, for the US, we have a FP in Los Angeles so corruption and waste
> > is minimal except in Alaska & Hawaii, where it in still quite high even
> > with a Court House and Police Station in every city. Alaska is still
> > very valuable as a spare Oil stregatic resource + a Fur luxary
> > resource.
> >
> > We have largely replaced the Rail Network with Interstate Highways,
> > which allow much faster passenger traffic. This also retains the
> > ability to double the affect of artifical irrigation, allowing people
> > to live in the natural desert in Phoenix, Tucson, El Paso, etc.
> >
> > Some our largest cities, most noticably Los Angeles does suffer from a
> > pollution problem, which the mass transit station there was unable to
> > elimate all the population caused polution.
> >
> > Los Angeles also contains the Hollywood wonder and New York City the
> > Mass Telvision wonder, but these wonders seem to make as many naturally
> > content people unhappy as they make other naturally content people
> > happy.
> >
> > We also have the Wall Street Wonder in New York generating extra
> > income, and the UN in New York, but are currently fillibustering the
> > motion to establish a ruling country.
> >
> > There is also the Hoover Dam Great Wonder that's acting as a free
> > Hydroelectric power plant on every city in the mainland.
> >
> > Some of our largest cities do have a noticeable amount of War
> > Werriousness, but the large amount of luxaries imported plus the use of
> > the luxary slider setting offset this enough to keep our Democracy from
> > falling.
> >
> > We are currently in the process of cash-rushing a new unit called the
> > armored personal carrier.
> >
> > We sell most of our techs to help fund the reserach of new techs and
> > reduce the cost of importing luxaries to maintagn 7 unique types.
> >
> > Furs : Alaska
> > Wine : California
> > Dye : South Carolina
> > Spice : Imported from Carribean
> > Silk : Imported from China
> > Gems : Imported from South Africa
> > Incense : Imported from Middle East
> >
> > Some of our largest cities have too much people to actually work tiles,
> > and so have been turned into a mix of Scientists, Entertainers, Civil
> > Engineers, Police Men, and Tax Men.
> >
> > We've built up a very large tresury account between 1870 and 1910 and
> > so we've been able to run a deficit most years since 1932 without yet
> > having city structures sold off.
> >
>
> Don't forget we export jobs and import the stuff that was made here by
those
> jobs. We also buy workers from other civs so we don't have to pay for our
> own workers, who instead become specialists or happy via the Social
Security
> and Welfare wonders
>

Of course, Welfare should be classed as a wonder. It costs 50 billion gold
per turn, if that's not a wonder then I don't know what is!!

Welfare Wonder (Large building with statue of a huge fist full of dollars on
top)
Effects: Makes unhappy citizens content by allowing them to go surfing at
Byron Bay!
Cost: 10,000,000 sheilds plus 50,000,000,000 gold per turn.
Required Tech: Political Correctness (comes after Universal Suffrage!)
Acts as a tourist attraction but only to New Zealanders ;-)
Only expires when Civ goes bankrupt!!!

 

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Byron Creek <byroncreek@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Australia does seem to follow the rules of Civ.
> Sydney and Melbourne, our two largest and most productive cities are closest
> to the capital Canberra.
> Brisbane is smaller, further away and less productive while Adelaide and
> especially Perth are so far away that they don't produce much in the way of
> sheilds.
> Darwin was recently linked to the national rail system but it is small and
> so far from the capital that it doesn't produce much sheilds either!
>
> Sydney does have a bad smog problem so they really need to build a solar
> plant to soak up the pollution. Unfortunately our Government is talking of
> building another coal fired power station, so a coal plant it is with all
> those extra pollution skulls!
> Sydney also has a Great Wonder, the Sydney Opera House (makes people happy
> and is a tourist attraction) and a small wonder, the Harbour Bridge
> (increases trade and is also a tourist attraction).
> War weariness is not much of a problem from our involvement in Iraq due to
> lots of police stations!
> However, one police station was burnt down on Palm Island by restless
> natives!
>
> Our military is going to get an upgrade, with lots of gold to be spent on
> upgrading our tanks to modern armour and also upgrading some infantry to
> mech. infantry.
> Later will come some new destroyers and later still stealth fighters (Joint
> Strike Fighter).
> This is all paid for with our country's tax/science/luxury slider set pretty
> high on tax, as we are one of the highest taxing countries in the OECD.
> Most of our techs are bought from America and most of our luxuries imported
> from other civs too.
> But unlike Civ, we've been running deficits ever since that first settler
> plonked down his backpack in Sydney Cove in 1788!!

However, unlike Civ, most of our corruption occurs in the capitol.

 

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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:18:26 GMT, "Byron Creek"
<byroncreek@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Australia does seem to follow the rules of Civ.

I spent six wonderful weeks in Oz in 1985 and have been trying to get
back ever since.

I did a mod to RAR that makes Australia the Center of the Universe. I
took the huge Earth map imported from DYP and removed every resource
but iron and two horses (one around the Urals, one in N. America) from
the entire world. I then packed Oz with every resource conceivable, in
large numbers. Then I played with only five Euro civs (to make the
distances "fair".) A race to the resources, with the winner able to
trade, control, and conquer. The only problem is the AI knows where
they are too from the first turn, and the human has to weigh the
resources needed to get ships able to reach them plus settlers to
exploit them with the need to expand in Europe in order to have enough
low-corruption cities to use them once available.

It's unbalanced but a lot of fun. You can play with more or less
starting civs for a different challenge, or modify the map to make it
all ocean near Oz so it takes far greater ship tech to get there in
the first place.

Steve

 

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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:40:13 -0600 Steve Bartman <sbartman@visi.com> wrote
in message <rrbmr0t1f8fmg2ffuhuhl32b2uqk2v0828@4ax.com>...

> I did a mod to RAR that makes Australia the Center of the Universe. I
> took the huge Earth map imported from DYP and removed every resource
> but iron and two horses (one around the Urals, one in N. America) from
> the entire world. I then packed Oz with every resource conceivable, in
> large numbers. Then I played with only five Euro civs (to make the
> distances "fair".) A race to the resources, with the winner able to
> trade, control, and conquer. The only problem is the AI knows where
> they are too from the first turn, and the human has to weigh the
> resources needed to get ships able to reach them plus settlers to
> exploit them with the need to expand in Europe in order to have enough
> low-corruption cities to use them once available.

Get to Australia, settle it. Start a war, let them take your European
capital which will relocate to Australia. Then you're sitting pretty.

> Steve

--
Daran

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words;
on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them
unconscious and riffle their pockets for new vocabulary. -- James D. Nicoll

 

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"Daran" <daranSPAMg@lineone.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:40:13 -0600 Steve Bartman <sbartman@visi.com> wrote
> in message <rrbmr0t1f8fmg2ffuhuhl32b2uqk2v0828@4ax.com>...
>
>> I did a mod to RAR that makes Australia the Center of the Universe. I
>> took the huge Earth map imported from DYP and removed every resource
>> but iron and two horses (one around the Urals, one in N. America) from
>> the entire world. I then packed Oz with every resource conceivable, in
>> large numbers. Then I played with only five Euro civs (to make the
>> distances "fair".) A race to the resources, with the winner able to
>> trade, control, and conquer. The only problem is the AI knows where
>> they are too from the first turn, and the human has to weigh the
>> resources needed to get ships able to reach them plus settlers to
>> exploit them with the need to expand in Europe in order to have enough
>> low-corruption cities to use them once available.
>
> Get to Australia, settle it. Start a war, let them take your European
> capital which will relocate to Australia. Then you're sitting pretty.

Or how about this: Starting with England, see at what level of difficulty
you can successfully settle/conquer Oz, NZ, Canada, India, Africa and
recreate the Old Empire.

 

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On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:18:03 +0000, Daran <daranSPAMg@lineone.net>
wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:40:13 -0600 Steve Bartman <sbartman@visi.com> wrote
>in message <rrbmr0t1f8fmg2ffuhuhl32b2uqk2v0828@4ax.com>...
>
>> I did a mod to RAR that makes Australia the Center of the Universe. I
>> took the huge Earth map imported from DYP and removed every resource
>> but iron and two horses (one around the Urals, one in N. America) from
>> the entire world. I then packed Oz with every resource conceivable, in
>> large numbers. Then I played with only five Euro civs (to make the
>> distances "fair".) A race to the resources, with the winner able to
>> trade, control, and conquer. The only problem is the AI knows where
>> they are too from the first turn, and the human has to weigh the
>> resources needed to get ships able to reach them plus settlers to
>> exploit them with the need to expand in Europe in order to have enough
>> low-corruption cities to use them once available.
>
>Get to Australia, settle it. Start a war, let them take your European
>capital which will relocate to Australia. Then you're sitting pretty.

Good strategy. I never let my capital be taken on purpose; I wouldn't
have thought of this. Seems like gaming the system to me.

I have built a palace in Oz, taking over 20 turns, and I build a
Winter or Summer Palace there too.

Steve
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www.thepaxamsolution.com

 

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On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:10:45 GMT, "Nicholas Byram"
<n.byram@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>"Daran" <daranSPAMg@lineone.net> wrote in message
>news:rbms82-kd2.ln1@wheresmeshirt.clara.net...
>> On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:40:13 -0600 Steve Bartman <sbartman@visi.com> wrote
>> in message <rrbmr0t1f8fmg2ffuhuhl32b2uqk2v0828@4ax.com>...
>>
>>> I did a mod to RAR that makes Australia the Center of the Universe. I
>>> took the huge Earth map imported from DYP and removed every resource
>>> but iron and two horses (one around the Urals, one in N. America) from
>>> the entire world. I then packed Oz with every resource conceivable, in
>>> large numbers. Then I played with only five Euro civs (to make the
>>> distances "fair".) A race to the resources, with the winner able to
>>> trade, control, and conquer. The only problem is the AI knows where
>>> they are too from the first turn, and the human has to weigh the
>>> resources needed to get ships able to reach them plus settlers to
>>> exploit them with the need to expand in Europe in order to have enough
>>> low-corruption cities to use them once available.
>>
>> Get to Australia, settle it. Start a war, let them take your European
>> capital which will relocate to Australia. Then you're sitting pretty.
>
>Or how about this: Starting with England, see at what level of difficulty
>you can successfully settle/conquer Oz, NZ, Canada, India, Africa and
>recreate the Old Empire.
>
I have had the most success playing as the British. Easy to defend
early, Seapower ability gives speed, etc. I usually make a "coaling
station"/repair facility in South Africa at least, and often in West
Africa too. Once I have Oz I take Hawaii, then play with the Incas'
heads a little if they're in the game, or colonize S. America if not.

Steve

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On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:33:10 -0600, Steve Bartman <sbartman@visi.com>
wrote:

>Once I have Oz I take Hawaii, then play with the Incas'
>heads a little if they're in the game, or colonize S. America if not.


Oz???

Please identify it. thanks

Buck
--
For what it's worth.

 

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Around 12/13/2004 11:13 PM, Buck proclaimed for posterity:

> Oz???
>
> Please identify it. thanks
>
> Buck

Australia.


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[Buck]

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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:45:08 -0600, Brandon Supernaw
<bhsupernaw@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Around 12/13/2004 11:13 PM, Buck proclaimed for posterity:
>
>> Oz???
>>
>> Please identify it. thanks
>>
>> Buck
>
>Australia.


Thanks, pardon my ignorance.


Buck
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Australia exports strategic resources to the U.S. such as iron ore,
aluminium, uranium and luxuries such as wine and cars.
We also export coal and gas to China.
Before WW2 we also exported scrap iron to Japan, which came back to us as
bombs!!

Then, after the war, we sold most of our military pieces to the Japanese
(again for scrap iron), which came back to us in the form of Datsun 120Y's.



It is debatable which of the two was more offensive!!!

 

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>> Oz???
>>
>> Please identify it. thanks
>>
>> Buck
>
>Australia.


Thanks, pardon my ignorance.


As in "Oz-tray-lee-ah" (to pronounce it as we locals do.)

 

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"matt wilson" <mwilson2@nospam.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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>
>
> Australia exports strategic resources to the U.S. such as iron ore,
> aluminium, uranium and luxuries such as wine and cars.
> We also export coal and gas to China.
> Before WW2 we also exported scrap iron to Japan, which came back to us as
> bombs!!
>
> Then, after the war, we sold most of our military pieces to the Japanese
> (again for scrap iron), which came back to us in the form of Datsun
120Y's.
>
>
>
> It is debatable which of the two was more offensive!!!
>
Ah yes.......the Dato 120Y. I have many memories of 120Y's lurching out from
side streets in front of me as I drive down the road. They were usually
crumpled with rust coming through the body filler and primer and they would
stink you out with the blue smokescreen pouring forth from the tailpipe.
The Japs certainly got their revenge for losing the war by clogging Aussie
roads with these "bombs".
Thankfully age has seen most of them gone to the wrecking yard

 

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"matt wilson" <mwilson2@nospam.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> >> Oz???
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> >> Please identify it. thanks
> >>
> >> Buck
> >
> >Australia.
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> Thanks, pardon my ignorance.
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> As in "Oz-tray-lee-ah" (to pronounce it as we locals do.)
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>
Most people here seem to say "Astraya"!