MSI GeForce4 TI 4800SE 128 DDR 8X AGP VIVO

[KillerInstinct]

I'm getting ready to build my computer using the Asus A7N8X motherboard and wasn't really sure what card to go with. I've have bad experiences using past ATI cards and really don't find them to be all that impressive. Now I've heard and seen great things about the 9700 Pro from ATI, but I came along this little bueaty at one of my vendors. I read the specs and it seems to be exactly what the TI 4600 specs are, with the exception of this being 8X AGP instead of 4X like the TI 4600 is. Now, my questions are:

1. How many other people have seen this card?
2. How does this card compare to the ATI 9700 Pro?
3. Has it been benchmarked already on the Asus A7N8X Motherboard and if so, could someone post the link?
4. If it hasn't been benchmarked using the Asus motherboard, will Tomshardware benchmark it and post the results sometime soon?
5. Can Tomshardware use the 3D Mark 2001 SE and post the results here: <A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20021218/vgacharts-05.html" target="_new">http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20021218/vgacharts-05.html</A> - for easier comparison using the Althon XP 2700+ processor?

6. Am i posting this on the wrong forums? LOL (just my luck too)

For those of you that tried to look up information on the msi website regarding the 4800SE, I believe the msi website is fubared cause i couldn't access anything without all kinds of errors. I will post what specs i have from my vendors site and as i said before it looks very similar to that of the 4600 with the exception of it being 8X AGP. But im very curious to see how it will hang with the 9700 Pro, cause im just not an ATI fan. Here are the specs i was able to get.
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MSI Geforce4 TI 4800SE 128MB DDR AGP 8X VIVO + DVI Out (Support Dual VGA)

Chipset Features
◊ The nVIDIA nfiniteFX™ II Engine enable a virtually infinite number of special effects that deliver the next leap in realism to 3D graphics
◊ Dual programmable Vertex Shaders
◊ Advanced programmable Pixel Shaders
◊ nVIDIA Lightspeed Memory Architecture™ II
◊ nVIDIA Accuview™ Antialiasing
◊ 3D Textures
◊ Shadow Buffers
◊ 4 dual-rendering pipelines
◊ 8 texels per clock cycle
◊ Dual cube environment mapping
◊ 128MB high-speed DDR RAM memory
◊ High-Definition Video Processor (HDVP)
◊ AGP 8X with Fast Writes
◊ AGP 8X / 4X and AGP Texturing support
◊ 32-bit color with 32-bit Z/stencil buffer
◊ Z-correct true, reflective bump mapping
◊ High-performance 2D rendering engine
◊ Hardware accelerated real-time shadows
◊ True-color hardware cursor
◊ Integrated hardware transform engine
◊ Integrated hardware lighting engine
◊ High-quality HDTV/DVD playback
◊ TV-Out and Video Modules
◊ Multibuffering (double, triple, quad) for smooth animation and video playback
◊ Microsoft DirectX® and S3TC® texture compression
◊ nVIDIA Unified Driver Architecture (UDA)
◊ Up to 10.4 GB/sec. memory bandwidth
◊ 136 million triangles/sec. setup engine
◊ 4.8 billion AA sample/sec. fill rate
◊ 1.23 trillion operations/sec.
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Compatibility
◊ Complete Linux® drivers, including full OpenGL®
◊ Microsoft DirectX® optimizations and support
◊ Complete OpenGL® 1.3 and OpenGL® support
◊ WHQL-certified Windows® XP/2000/NT/ME/98/95
◊ Windows® XP/2000/NT/ME/98/95 display drivers
◊ Microsoft DirectDraw®, Direct3D®, DirectVideo® and DirectActiveX® drivers
- OpenGL® ICD for Windows® XP/2000/NT/98/95
- Complete Linux® display and OpenGL® drivers support
- Fully P00, PC99 and PC99a compliant
◊ Support operation system under Windows®XP/2000/NT/ME/98/95
◊ Linux® compatible
◊ API support
◊ OpenGL® 1.3 and lower
◊ Microsoft DirectX® 8.1 and lower
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Supports super high resolution graphics
modes

640x480 8/16/32 bit colors with 150Hz
800x600 8/16/32 bit colors with 150Hz
1024x768 8/16/32 bit colors with 120Hz
1152x864 8/16/32 bit colors with 120Hz
1280x1024 8/16/32 bit colors with 100Hz
1600x1200 8/16/32 bit colors with 85Hz
1920x1200 8/16/32 bit colors with 75Hz
2048x1536 8/16/32 bit colors with 60Hz

 

[Unit01]

Well it is just a Ti4600 with agp8x
You can't miss out on the hype around agp8x
So they will have something to counter ati by tweaking it with to be able to work in agp8x and re-release it under different name. If you expect a 10% performance difference between the ti4600 and ti4800 keep expecting cause it aint there.

 

[KillerInstinct]

So for $220, would you invest in it, or would you just get the ATI? ATI is over $300 and the new NV30 that's coming out will be over $400 which is a lot for a card. Any suggestions?

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[Spitfire_x86]

A Radeon 9500 Pro would be a better buy than this card

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[Crashman]

I think the 9700 non-pro is around $280 and still at least 15% faster than the fastest Ti4600 dirivative.

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[Mtnduey]

For starters, the ATI Radeon 9500 Pro isn't that great of a card, sure it's pretty cheap, but for only a little more you'll get better. Look at the review here on Tom's on the 9500 Pro, the ONLY place it did any better than the TI 4600 is in FSAA & Anisotopic Filtering. Otherwise the TI 4600 beat the 9500 Pro in every single performance test.

As for the TI 4800 that caught my eye as well and I've sent emails to both MSI & Nvidia. I'm hoping to hear something back from either sometime soon. I doubt they would use the TI 4800 name lightly. This IS MSI we're talking about, not some fly by night company. So I expect that from one of their recent polls they've decided to put a link in-between the TI 4600 and the FX chipsets. I'd like to see one myself or a review on Tom's before mocking or praising it.

I've been looking at the ATI 9700 non-pro card as a possibility for most of the PC's we build here. I've always used Nvidia based cars since the TnT2 days and have always been pleased with the result. So in the meantime we are using the TI 4600 Leadtek & MSI cards in most of our machines & a few ATI 9700 Pro & Non-Pro's here and there as per customer requests. But for the minimal gain I don't see how the 9700 Pro is really all that much worth it. And for what in my opinion is a lousy OEM cooling design for a Top Performance card I wouldn't want to push the card too hard for too long. You can get a Powercolor 9700 Non-Pro for about $230 these days from most any online retailer, and if your a business you can of course go the reseller route or find a wholesaler and get it even cheaper.

As for my own Gaming PC at home, I'll wait and see what happens to prices once the GeForce FX comes out. I expect we'll see a nice cut in current GF4 prices and most likely some price cuts by ATI to compete with the newer and better FX chipset.

I for one will be very pleased when the FX comes out. I'm ready to see what it'll do in a good PC.

 

[Rob423]

When is a good guess on when the FX will be released?


Is THG Slightly Slacking??

 

[Unit01]

next year.
Nvidia fanboys will probably say beginning of next year
My guess is mid jan - mid feb. then we're talking big availability.
I can admit i was expecting reviews before new year so prices would fall a little but it didn't happen.
But we'll see what happens. If you want one too for around 200-250$USD you got 9500pro, ti4600, 9700 regular
all three are overclockable. And the performance there i haven't see. All three have great potential and good performance from stock. Let the wallet decide
The 9500pro is around 190$USD
The ti4600 around 220$USd
The 9700regular around 250$USD
The choice is yours