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Ok.. so maybe I've been living under a rock, but the last system I built for myself was a Pentium ( no 2 or 3 or 4, just Pentium :wink: ) 200Mhz. Between then and now, I've been making due with whatever preconfigged crap my company provides from Dell. So now the question..........

What are the "usual problems with VIA" that some people keep posting about? I've read a lot of positive things about the KT266A, and am considering a MOBO based on it, but if there are problems, maybe I should look elsewhere? Is the ALi OK?



Things sure have changed in the last few years....

Let's hear it for ENIAC... Mother of all computers.

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Via is essentially a tool of Karma - if you've done evil in your life, you WILL have problems with your computer. If, like me, you've been a saint, your via-based board will perform flawlessly, as mine has, Sound Blaster Live and all.
A few years back, I did have a Via chipset that needed a few patches installed, so I cleaned up my life a bit.
The guy that I sold that machine too did it in by inviting chicks at bars back to his place to see his BX chipset. The chipset went up in smoke as a supermodel/electrical engineer saw right through his scam and walked out the door in a huff.

Sweating like a rancid chunk of pork

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Interesting.

I too would like to know more about the VIA bug.
Some links would be nice.

I have a SB Live via I don't see no problem accept for win98se.

1. I'd also like to know if this bug affect the o mighty powerful WinXP?

2. Is this bug just with ATA133?

I too live under a rock.

forgot to dot an i
Complicated Nit Picker<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by jiffy on 01/15/02 11:08 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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Quote :

Let's hear it for ENIAC... Mother of all computers


You seem to have forgotten the abacus, Charles Babbages Analytical Engine and most importantly, the one that most Americans tend to forget, Colossus!

On topic, I have the KT266A with an SBLive! and have had no problems at all with it. I do believe there are some problems with the bandwidth on the PCI bus if you're planning on setting up a RAID array though (if you search the .net or wait for someone else to provide more detail on it I'm sure you'll find out a bit more info on that)

HTH

Thorin

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Jiffy, how many times do I have to tell you that the VIA bugs are all related to their PCI implementation. Any thing that is on the PCI bus is affected. The thing is, there's nothing wrong with the SB Live per se except that it's a PCI hog and it increasing the likelihood of data corruption on your hard drive. It's not as obvious as you think. Of course, that's assuming you have the 686B southbridge. If you don't then you have a less major bug, that is still related to the PCI bus, again related to bandwidth.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor

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Jiffy, how many times do I have to tell you that the VIA bugs are all related to their PCI implementation. Any thing that is on the PCI bus is affected. The thing is, there's nothing wrong with the SB Live per se except that it's a PCI hog and it increasing the likelihood of data corruption on your hard drive. It's not as obvious as you think. Of course, that's assuming you have the 686B southbridge. If you don't then you have a less major bug, that is still related to the PCI bus, again related to bandwidth.

AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor

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Thanks AMD_Man.
I'm glade you posted that twice, because I didn't quite understand it the first time and I had to read it again.


Complicated Nit Picker

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yeap a very good chipset gets the shaft for one or two small mistakes....everyone has bugs and there are also fixes for these bugs you can get at viahardware.com.......personally i think it is a scapegoat for those who have unsuccessful builds and problems.....(the newbies)....i have had two computers one with via chipsets and sblive and had no problems at all...one being the 686b south...but i downloaded the fix and it worked fine....
as far as the others go i think ali has really went downhill since the days of the older k6 chipsets...i wander when tehy will come out with a new beast?...because the majik sucks....and sis is climbing to the top slowly but still yet noone can beat vias performance =]

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I had a problem with the VIA P4XB-S, the P4X266 with the 686 southbridge chipset. I had data corruption problems like crazy, even when I downloaded from the internet and I didn't have an SB Live! or any known PCI cards that could have caused the problem, downloaded the patch at http://www.viahardware.com/686bfaq.shtm - still didn't fix it so I said screw it and returned it and got an MSI-6547 (SiS 645 Chipset) and no problems so far. :)

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I agree, thanks for the sight. Yeah, I hear a lot about the VIA bug, but hardly do I hear anything about a fix for it. I built a few with VIA and haven't had any trouble. At least nothing I couldn't fix. I haven't needed any download. When I first started building and using a computer I did have my share of problems, but that was then and this is now.

I always bought the best mobo, going buy reviews and what can I say VIA was always on it. (At least in my time, at least the pages I read.)Hopefuly that will avoid any attacks.
There's a lot of mobo makers and I think all of them have VIA, and only a few with the other chips. What is it like 100 to 10. maybe less because I see a lot of people using 5% comparing VIA and the other chips that must be it? I'm sure if there were more of the other chips out there compared to VIA, they would get there lumps too. Personally I don't care, I just want the best mobo and fastest and I don't feel I get that on a $89. mobo



Complicated Nit Picker

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I have three system using Via chipset. I did not have any problem.

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The evident "problem" will occure only with PCI cards using PCI bandwidth to its maximum, with the other PCI hardware it will work just slower.

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What the Intel loser flamers fail to mention is that Intel has the exact same bug for PCI!

"IT AIN'T JUST VIA that's got problems with getting its chipsets to work properly with PCI.
Both the Intel 850 and the 860 chipsets have bugs that affect IDE drives which means, for example, your ATA 100+ drive only manages around 80Mb burst rate and no higher This is what Intel calls an erratum and the rest of us who try not to choke over Latin words call a bug, and never a sighting nor a pretzel.

Error five in the "erratum" sheet on Intel's own site says that both the 850 and the 860 chipsets have problems with PCI.

This limits the PCI transfer rates to 90MB/s when it should be 133MB/s, and so the external PCI disk controller is, to use a technical term we just invented, "blinkered" to rates of around 80MB/s when it's running in the desperationd derby.
"

http://www.theinquirer.net/17010203.htm

Sad when idiots dish out biased advice and don't tell you the truth. The truth is the the PCI bug is in both VIA and Intel chipsets so base your decision on other FACTS and not emotion like these chumps!

It worked yesterday! :lol:

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heh errors on hard drive, I get those daily. sometimes have to reboot a few times to get an error free start. then I have problems playing on-line, somehow the maps change on drive and servers don't let me on saying I don't have the right map. I re-install everything and it works, till the same map comes around again, then get the same error.

going to send back this mobo too, so far I have nothing but problems with the asus mobos and via chipsets. A7PRO, A7V133, keep replacing them almost monthly. LOL test the components in other box and everything work fine, well it just bug the sh1t out of me. no more asus or via for me

<font color=red>Handsome A7V133 looking for long term relationship with a XP CPU. Prefer non smoker.</font color=red> ;)

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In reply to:
The evident "problem" will occure only with PCI cards using PCI bandwidth to its maximum, with the other PCI hardware it will work just slower.


Your statement is not correct.

PCI cards using PCI bandwidth to its maximum will not have problem it will only work slower and the other PCI hardware it will work just fine.

In test there is no other problem except the transfer rate is lower. The other hardware that does not require the bandwidth will not be effected. I PCI modem perform just fine since it does not require that much bandwidth.

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"I PCI modem perform just fine since it does not require that much bandwidth."
Exactly what I want to say. And also that I would never advise a Via based motherboard to a professional working with PCI video or audio cards. Would you?

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