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January 22, 2002 7:54:55 PM

<b>Stop VIA Bashing, and IWill333 is not the best mobo.</b>


<b>The Winners and Conclusion</b>
With the departure of the AMD 760 chipset, the VIA KT266A has taken control of the market and is now the most widely available AMD chipset. <font color=red>The chipset is by far the fastest AMD platform out there, and it's capable of bringing out the full potential of AMD processors.</font color=red> As the chipset continues to mature, we will start to see more solid KT266A solutions in terms of performance and stability.

Time after time, ABIT surprises us. They used to be one of the pioneers in releasing new motherboards using a new chipset, but that hasn't been the case lately. They take their time to find out what's truly needed by users and design the best solution. The ABIT KR7-RAID didn't come out until the end of November 2001, but without a doubt, it's the best KT266A board out there. The most important thing ABIT did was the implementation of 4 DIMM slots, something hardly any other manufacturers have attempted. <font color=red>The board also overclocks very well, and the new Highpoint RAID controller definitely helps to make the KR7-RAID the recipient of AnandTech Editors Choice Gold Award.</font color=red>

However, we should never forget about the Iwill XP333-R. The board offers a lot of room for overclocking, and its performance is on par with the KR7-RAID. It does not have the same level of flexibility with the KR7-RAID in terms of memory configuration, but it does overclock better and it has a very nice integrated audio device. Both boards offer the Highpoint HPT372 RAID controller, which is a plus, but keep in mind that the XP333-R runs at around $40 cheaper than the KR7-RAID.
Again, it ultimately comes down to what you need. Do you need the four DIMM slots for more memory? If so the KR7-RAID is definitely the way to go. But if you are only planning on installing 256MB PC2100 DDR <javascript:WinOpen('shkey.html?i=4','300','200');> SDRAM, it could be more beneficial to go after the XP333-R, which is cheaper, has better overclocking, and nice integrated audio.



















<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by jiffy on 01/23/02 07:01 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

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January 22, 2002 9:14:36 PM

<b>Help stop the VIA bashing.</b>

<b>Wrong way.</b> uuuuuuuuuuuuuh it sounds like the VIA bug.

<b>Right way,</b> if it is a VIA issue. It's a VIA bug, here's the fix. WWWwhatever.com

Be of some help, not a useless basher
January 22, 2002 10:15:54 PM

Jiffy, this has gone too far. You contradict everything I say with a single sentence which is an opinion, and then you call the facts I present as opinions, and then say that I am bashing VIA when in fact I am merely listing the known bugs in VIA chipsets. I am merely listing the known HARDWARE flaws in VIA-chipsets that no software can fix on all systems. If you consider FACTS as bashing then so be it, I cannot reason with you.

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January 22, 2002 11:56:00 PM

There is no real bug, it is user Incompitance. I have had every SBlive work in every VIA chipset. From the MVP3 right through to the KT266A and all between. That is what I do. I am the tech at a AMD only computer store here in canada, dealing in Primarily VIA.

Blame the newbies not the technology
January 23, 2002 12:08:11 AM

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and then you call the facts I present as opinions, and then say that I am bashing VIA when in fact I am merely listing the known bugs in VIA chipsets. I am merely listing the known HARDWARE flaws in VIA-chipsets that no software can fix on all systems. If you consider FACTS as bashing then so be it, I cannot reason with you.



<b>Here are you facts.</b>

Hehe, the VIA bugs are proof

Notice the word PERCEIVABLE. The problem with VIA is that their bugs aren't perceivable.

VIA problems are FACTS not opinion

I'll give you the one that the VIA/nVidia/XP bug may or <b>not be completely VIA's fault.</b>

But VIA makes buggy chipsets

There is no question about it! It's a FACT!

anything non-VIA is stable

In any case, I strongly recommend against anything made by VIA

Do yourself a favour and get an nForce, Sis735/745 or ALi Magik1 motherboard and you'll save yourself a lot of headaches in the future.

<b>Help stop the VIA bashing.</b>


<b>Wrong way.</b> uuuuuuuuuuuuuh it sounds like the VIA bug.

<b>Right way,</b> if it is a VIA issue. It's a VIA bug, here's the fix. WWWwhatever.com

Be of some help, not a useless basher
January 23, 2002 1:02:23 AM

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There is no real bug, it is user Incompitance. I have had every SBlive work in every VIA chipset. From the MVP3 right through to the KT266A and all between. That is what I do. I am the tech at a AMD only computer store here in canada, dealing in Primarily VIA.

It's a VIA PCI bandwidth+timing/latency bug so just having an SBLive isn't enough! You need at least two bandwidth hogs in the board. An ATI TV-Wonder in my case. A PCI graphics card, or a SCSI card or other PCI bandwidth hog.

It is a bug. How many times have you seen word on the VIA bugs on hardware reviews. So many that I can't possibly count! Denying the fact that VIA has major bugs is like denying that you are human!



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January 23, 2002 9:22:34 PM

How much of a bandwidth hog is a WinTV card?

It's nice to feel wanted - as long as I'm not one of America's Most!

Oklahoma City, OK
January 23, 2002 9:25:42 PM

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How much of a bandwidth hog is a WinTV card?

I can't tell you from experience because I don't have it and neither do any of my friends.

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January 31, 2002 11:46:03 PM

VIA sucks!

Life is too short, don't mess it up!!
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February 3, 2002 3:41:28 AM

I agree. It have a ABIT board that has a VIA KT133 chipset. I recently bought a Cardex GForce 2 TI. Everytime I ran a game the screen would go black. I knew that the game loaded, because I could hear the sound. Anyway, I called Gainward (Cardex manufacturer), and they said that the VIA chipset was the problem. I upgraded to the newest 4-in-1 drivers and still had the problem. I sent the card back and bought a Radeon 8500. At least that one works. My next MB purchase will be anything that doesn't have a VIA chipset.
Just a side note. I just upgraded to version 4.37 4-in-1 chipset and my system kept rebooting. Went back to the older driver and everything is great.
Anonymous
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February 3, 2002 5:21:12 AM

You are totally underestimating Via if thats all you guys can say. They ultimately rock and are stable as can be.
February 3, 2002 7:50:29 AM

What is the user error? I have never had a problem with my machines and the SBLive!, but I now have a friend who is having problems. What is he doing wrong? Give me some things to double check. All drivers are updated for both the card and the motherboard. What are the common things that users do wrong?

<font color=red>God</font color=red> <font color=blue>Bless</font color=blue> <font color=red>America!</font color=red>
February 3, 2002 11:17:04 AM

VIA has many isolated and common problems and anyone who denies that is lying to themselves.

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February 3, 2002 1:56:43 PM

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What is the user error? I have never had a problem with my machines and the SBLive! but I now have a friend who is having problems. What is he doing wrong? Give me some things to double check. All drivers are updated for both the card and the motherboard. What are the common things that users do wrong?

My VIA board and SBLive Win 98se was working great. I say was, because I haven't seen it act this bad before in my computer time. On the Internet pages are disappearing, freezing, restarts and my rig won't shut down. Holly sh*t batman. I don't know WTF is going on.

Did this come about out of the blue? No, I made some changes and did some stuff. Apparently not good changes. If I take out my SBLive or update the 4-1 will that fix it? I doubt that. I need to undo what ever I did that started the problem.

I wouldn't blame this on VIA, but would say it's more user error. Since my rig was working fine before I messed with it.
February 3, 2002 3:04:47 PM

Hey. if you find the problem, just tell me. My friends has some problems that looks like your's (freezing, windows wont shut down,..). It run an old P2 350 with an Intel chipset, the BX one.

The only things that remains to be checked is the anti-virus. But it was working fine at first install and some time after.

-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!
February 3, 2002 3:46:27 PM

My rig seems to crash once a day then it might be all right for the rest of the day. I did change my address to my Nic card and undid that change, but it may take a day or two to see if that was the problem.

As for your friends problem, well freezing is a common problem and can be caused by a lot of things. Why my rig and his rig freezes can be two different reason. The best thing I can think of is to try to get the computer back to the way it was before it started having problems. Since problems don't always show up right away that can make it hard to trouble shoot.
February 3, 2002 4:02:19 PM

since it doesnt has a NIC card...well, your problems and his are not related together. But I was looking for maybe just a thing that we may have missed. I think that a format c: and a fres install will solve his problem. This is not his main system, so we doesnt spent too much time on it ...

-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!
February 3, 2002 6:13:34 PM

jiffy,

Maybe all you need is the LATEST Via PCI Latency patch. Sounds like Ver. 1.04 will actually solve some of the intractable Via problems.

Available here:<A HREF="http://www.tecchannel.de/hardware/817/11.html" target="_new">http://www.tecchannel.de/hardware/817/11.html&lt;/A>

The less useful Ver 1.01 patch is also available at Viahardware.com, and there is a thread discussing it there (and also other PCI Latency patches). It seems the 1.01 has limited value whereas the 1.04 might be the real deal per tecchannels investigation.

Almost (but not quite :wink: ) makes me reconsider Via options for my next motherboard purchase. More likely I will go a long way to avoid the "Via 4-in-1 shuffle". I firmly wish they would abandon their "one driver-set fits all" driver support model. Clearly new 4-in-1's yield different results for different Via chipsets. Why oh why don't they offer new 4-in-1's for each specific chipset. It would make it much less confusing and problematic for both the end user AND in the end for Via since they would have many less complaints of "the newest 4-in-1's screwed up my system...".

I just think it's a stupid system: a three year old MVP3 chipset gets the same 4-in-1's as the latest KT266a? It must require all kinds of compromises in both driver design and maybe even chipset design (if they let it go upstream far enough).

BW
February 3, 2002 6:59:54 PM

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Almost (but not quite ) makes me reconsider Via options for my next motherboard purchase. More likely I will go a long way to avoid the "Via 4-in-1 shuffle". I firmly wish they would abandon their "one driver-set fits all" driver support model. Clearly new 4-in-1's yield different results for different Via chipsets. Why oh why don't they offer new 4-in-1's for each specific chipset. It would make it much less confusing and problematic for both the end user AND in the end for Via since they would have many less complaints of "the newest 4-in-1's screwed up my system...".

I just think it's a stupid system: a three year old MVP3 chipset gets the same 4-in-1's as the latest KT266a? It must require all kinds of compromises in both driver design and maybe even chipset design (if they let it go upstream far enough).

Actually, nVidia has been doing that successfully since the TNT with the Detonator drivers. ATI has also recently unified their drivers as well. Unified drivers have more advantages than disadvantages, IMO.

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February 3, 2002 7:20:00 PM

It's good to see they have a fix for the Raid issue.

My problem wasn't a VIA problem though and I think I have it fix now. I put my rig back to the way it was before the trouble.

A little note about VIA, not directed at you though.
The VIA thing is not really confusing. When you buy a new mobo the drivers on that will do. No need to upgrade those drivers. That's very simple. As for the Raid, OK, that would have to be fix, but other things, well if it isn't broke then don't fix it. Now if your rig starts acting up that doesn't mean it's a VIA problem and updating drivers could add fuel to the fire. So the user has to know the difference. It sure doesn't help with a lot of people bashing VIA. I feel sorry for people that don't know to much about computers. Where I VIA hater will be telling them to take out their SB Live card and update the 4-1 drivers and what ever els. And here the system would have been working fine before hand. Maybe a VIA hater shouldn't be helping, since they were unable to solve the VIA problem when they had a VIA mobo. Leave the VIA to the VIA specialist lol

As for VIA, Nvidia, SB Live and winXP I hear there is some problems with these systems. Is it a VIA thing? I don't know since I don't have winXP.
I would have to wonder though if anyone was able to get that combination together whiles others can't. I wouldn't really say WinXP is perfect.
February 3, 2002 7:57:14 PM

VIA isn't that terrible but it's too much of a hassle if you ask me.

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February 3, 2002 9:01:26 PM

I have two computer one with Win98se and the other with Win2k. Now, I go ahead and format them and install the OS and all the drivers, just like the mobo and other manuals say to do. Now after I'm done they work great. It's really simple and there is no hassle.

Up until a couple months ago I didn't pay much attention to chips or did I know anything about VIA. When I bought a mobo I look for reviews that said that so and so was the best mobo around. It did not say it came with bugs or to get it to work right you would have to download the latest drivers.

So, I would buy this mobo and install it and not know a thing about the VIA. I was not confused or thought it was a hassle, because I didn't even know of such thing.

Now here I am a little more wiser. The fact is still the same I don't need to download anything for my rig to work right, just what comes with the mobo.

It's really simple.
February 3, 2002 9:31:03 PM

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I have two computer one with Win98se and the other with Win2k. Now, I go ahead and format them and install the OS and all the drivers, just like the mobo and other manuals say to do. Now after I'm done they work great. It's really simple and there is no hassle.

Up until a couple months ago I didn't pay much attention to chips or did I know anything about VIA. When I bought a mobo I look for reviews that said that so and so was the best mobo around. It did not say it came with bugs or to get it to work right you would have to download the latest drivers.

So, I would buy this mobo and install it and not know a thing about the VIA. I was not confused or thought it was a hassle, because I didn't even know of such thing.

Now here I am a little more wiser. The fact is still the same I don't need to download anything for my rig to work right, just what comes with the mobo.

It's really simple.

In most cases that's true, but I know a lot of people who've had VIA problems. They're not serious but it is an annoyance. Things like slow hard drive burst rate or latency issues that slow down AGP performance if the proper BIOS settings aren't set. Newbies probably wouldn't care less about these issues as they are so specific and affect a limited number of people, but I'm stuck with the worst VIA chipset right now (KT133A) and it really makes me want to leave VIA behind completely.

Most of these VIA issues generally don't appear as issues at all because they have simple workarounds but I'm finding that non-VIA-based mobos don't have these annoyances. In any case, whatever I may have against VIA, there is no denying that they have the fastest chipset right now at 133MHz.

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February 3, 2002 10:42:04 PM

My Abit mobo with the KT133A also rock and are fast and stable. For someone to say different, I don't know if they don't know what their doing or if it's me, since I think they fly.

When I first started out with PC I was putting the master recovery disk in at least once a week for a while, because I click on just about everything there was to click on. I also pretty much done the same thing with the BIOS. What I learn was a lot of problems was caused from something I had done.

I don't think there is a perfect computer or OS and our job is to get it working the best we can, no matter what it takes or what the hardware or software consist of.

It took me about two weeks to get my gf2ultra card to work right. I almost sent it back. I also was going to send a mobo back because I couldn't get it to boot. I learned a thing or two along the way. The biggest learning was not to give up.
February 3, 2002 11:28:44 PM

Quoting:
-When I first started out with PC I was putting the master -recovery disk in at least once a week for a while, because I -click on just about everything there was to click on. I also -pretty much done the same thing with the BIOS. What I learn -was a lot of problems was caused from something I had done.

This is imho, the best way to learn. It was not rare for me at first to reinstall Windows 3 or 4 times a week. On every kind of machine, chipset.

And:
-I don't think there is a perfect computer or OS and our job -is to get it working the best we can, no matter what it -takes or what the hardware or software consist of.

My computer I have right now is almost perfect. Just need more money to have it perfect.

-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!
February 3, 2002 11:43:29 PM

Hehe, I fried three Abit KT7A-R because of an ISA slot bug.

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February 3, 2002 11:53:40 PM

Well that must of suck.
February 4, 2002 12:54:22 AM

Yup, it sure does, hehe. Luckily, the store accepted the refunds. Hehe! It was a close one, I was almost going to get charged for all of them.

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February 4, 2002 3:10:22 PM

uh no...i have windows xp....
leadtek gef2 ultra
sblive
via kt 266a (msi kt pro2)
amd xp1900+


not one single glitch....but i did have problems on xp when i had my abit kg7 mobo with the 686b southbridge...my computer wouldnt even boot with a sblive card...even after via's 686b update...but neways the ol hercules fortissimo i had laying around worked right away...
via is fast and stable but the ide performance really lacks luster when compared to ali etc....but gamin performance is somewhat stronger in that respect....
so like everything...there are positive and negative sides that you have to sacrafice =]
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