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January 13, 2010 6:58:58 AM

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"Google.cn may be nearing its life."


Nearing its death? Nearing the end of its life?
January 13, 2010 7:19:52 AM

Communists are sick puppies! they wanna control every aspect your life! GRRR!
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January 13, 2010 7:20:07 AM

Google won't do it.....

Seriously,does anyone here believe that a huge multi-national corporation will just throw away 1 bn $ just because they "care about censorship"?

Corporations are corporations, and by definition are greedy.
It is people who must force corporations to act differently, but i didnt notice any serious movement to force google to stand against china's censorship policies.
January 13, 2010 7:22:41 AM

MindfieIdsCommunists are sick puppies! they wanna control every aspect your life! GRRR!


May i remind you that chinas has stopped being communist loooooooooooong time ago?

I mean, McDonald's,Apple, Microsoft, Google etc all have offices there(and make lots of $$). What kind of communism dictates that the means of production are controlled by individuals?

Better change the phrase to

"Chinese capitalists are sick puppies! they wanna control every aspect of our life! GRRR!"
January 13, 2010 7:23:13 AM

I assure you it is just a hollow threat. The last line says it all. "Google.cn generates roughly $1 billion for Google." Why would they leave if they generate so much money from it?
January 13, 2010 7:32:08 AM

GodhatesusallMay i remind you that chinas has stopped being communist loooooooooooong time ago?I mean, McDonald's,Apple, Microsoft, Google etc all have offices there(and make lots of $$). What kind of communism dictates that the means of production are controlled by individuals?Better change the phrase to"Chinese capitalists are sick puppies! they wanna control every aspect of our life! GRRR!"


That`s a gorvenment, not a corporation ... `course coporations do their best to direct our lifestyle so that can benefit from it. Gorvenments can order it! ;) 
January 13, 2010 7:53:14 AM

For a billion dollars I am sure Google will continue taking it up the arse from China.
January 13, 2010 8:41:38 AM

1 Billion for Google is not probably much. OK china may have 1.2 billion, but only a fraction of its population have Internet access.
January 13, 2010 9:14:50 AM

it's only google fear-threat tactics! nothing is gonna happen to google.cn
January 13, 2010 9:20:03 AM

GodhatesusallWhat kind of communism dictates that the means of production are controlled by individuals?

The Chinese kind. I'm glad you asked.
They are a communist country with free-market economy. Again - don't make the false (marxist in its nature, BTW) assumption that once you've described the country's economy, you know everything about its government and society.

Also - I believe that while Google does care about profits it also simply wants to make the world a better place. Call me naive, but I believe that Google not only is not and will not be evil... it's actually a force of good, not just another corporation with splendid PR.
January 13, 2010 9:21:46 AM

steelbox1 Billion for Google is not probably much. OK china may have 1.2 billion, but only a fraction of its population have Internet access.


Although this may be true; even a fraction is a huge amount considering the entire population...

The bottom line is, censorship sucks, but for google loosing that amount of money would suck even more.
January 13, 2010 9:33:29 AM

GodhatesusallGoogle won't do it.....Seriously,does anyone here believe that a huge multi-national corporation will just throw away 1 bn $ just because they "care about censorship"?

Well, Google went public about it. If GMail accounts are targeted you can believe that other providers like Hotmail, Yahoo and others were targeted also. Only Google is talking. I do not care what policy corporation has I care how the corporation acts.
GodhatesusallCorporations are corporations, and by definition are greedy.It is people who must force corporations to act differently, but i didnt notice any serious movement to force google to stand against china's censorship policies.

Corporations don't have personalities. Corporations only project the personality of the people working for it. If people inside corporation are greedy the corporation will appear greedy also. Yes, I agree that we can and should keep corporations responsible, but not only as customers, but more important to stand up for our values as an employee.
What is really troubling is that lately too many "Americans" are and willing to "compromise" their values when the price is their pay check.
January 13, 2010 9:48:49 AM

SAL-eWhat is really troubling is that lately too many "Americans" are and willing to "compromise" their values when the price is their pay check.


Let's not be too stereotypical... it's the human nature in the modern society really. When there is only one last meal on earth for you and another, few would share, even fewer would give, but most would just take the whole damn thing. It's sad to see the world come to this really.

Now if everyone in the world is kind enough to give me a cent...
January 13, 2010 10:01:28 AM

bhaberleI assure you it is just a hollow threat. The last line says it all. "Google.cn generates roughly $1 billion for Google." Why would they leave if they generate so much money from it?

It's not the money. If Google beleives that it's service is being hacked into by the State, ie, PRC Government Hackers, then that does not bode well for running an information business.
January 13, 2010 10:07:36 AM

asdf634Let's not be too stereotypical... it's the human nature in the modern society really. When there is only one last meal on earth for you and another, few would share, even fewer would give, but most would just take the whole damn thing. It's sad to see the world come to this really.Now if everyone in the world is kind enough to give me a cent...

No. I am not stereotypical... I have faced with the choice to compromise in the past and I maid my choice.
The last meal on earth or any meal is scarce resource and as result it could be own as private property. The owner of the property should have the freedom to decide to share it or not.
The values are not property and should not be traded. What I believe in and value don't effect your believes and values.

And yes, I am not giving you my cent... you need to earn it from me. ;) 
January 13, 2010 10:12:00 AM

googles owners are some of the most radical unique buisinessmen of our era and i wouldnt put anything past them, . . . they literally have a vision for the world.
January 13, 2010 10:32:14 AM

If only they would put this pressure on the Australian government. That might get some more publicity about Internet censorship here, which is practically unknown to most.
January 13, 2010 10:56:08 AM

Google went along with these censorship practices for years now without a peep and all of a sudden they grew balls?... I don't believe that for a second, there must be another reason for this. Will find out later when all blows wide open.
January 13, 2010 11:22:33 AM

SAL-eNo. I am not stereotypical... I have faced with the choice to compromise in the past and I maid my choice.The last meal on earth or any meal is scarce resource and as result it could be own as private property. The owner of the property should have the freedom to decide to share it or not.The values are not property and should not be traded. What I believe in and value don't effect your believes and values.And yes, I am not giving you my cent... you need to earn it from me.


You're missing the point. What I was trying to express is that it's not just the Americans, it's the human nature to look after themselves before they look out for others, and in your argument you've proven my point. Why should the last meal on earth belong to you and to your decision but not the others?

I'm not an American and I'm not defending for Americans... all I was saying is that it's really sad to see the world became what it is now.

Now give me that damn cent!!
January 13, 2010 11:26:38 AM

doc70Google went along with these censorship practices for years now without a peep and all of a sudden they grew balls?... I don't believe that for a second, there must be another reason for this. Will find out later when all blows wide open.


"Went along without a peep"? Haven't been paying much attention, have you? They've been outspoken opponents of China's censorship practices for years.
January 13, 2010 11:27:59 AM

There's a difference between abiding by the chinese governments censorship regulations and having your customers accounts being hacked into by them.

The hacking exposes serious security risks for google, gmail is gmail regardless of which country its subscribers are based.

If they start hacking chinese gmail accounts whats stopping them from hacking into non-chinese gmail accounts. In this respect I can totally understand Google's stance and quite frankly the security of the rest of their gmail accounts worldwide might be worth a billion dollars to them.
January 13, 2010 11:34:52 AM

invlemThere's a difference between abiding by the chinese governments censorship regulations and having your customers accounts being hacked into by them. The hacking exposes serious security risks for google, gmail is gmail regardless of which country its subscribers are based. If they start hacking chinese gmail accounts whats stopping them from hacking into non-chinese gmail accounts. In this respect I can totally understand Google's stance and quite frankly the security of the rest of their gmail accounts worldwide might be worth a billion dollars to them.


It may be the Chinese government's scheme to drive google out of the country... there's no stopping for the almighty google god to fetch some porn and articles discrediting the Chinese government... and obviously they won't like that.
January 13, 2010 11:38:09 AM

Google started doing business in China knowing full well of how they operate and the Chinese government's stance on censorship, privacy, and surveillance so why all this controversy and the lame-ass threat from Google to pull operations out of China makes absolutely no sense to me. What did Google expect to happen?

China survived quite well without Google and doubt it would even be a blip on the Chinese people's radar if Google were to leave. Heck, I imagine since Google has opened operations in China that there have been countless cheaply made knock-offs that will easily fill the gap if/when Google is gone.

The only one who will lose if Google leaves China is Google.
January 13, 2010 11:41:54 AM

It's time to buy more BAIDU stocks. One less competitor to compete in the search engine market in Asia. It will be a really bad move for Google and I don't think Google will pull out and let BAIDU to dominate the asia market.
If I remember correctly, Google said that if you at don't do anything wrong from the beginning, why do you/people afraid others to invade your privacy... Sorry, English is my third language.
lol :) 

January 13, 2010 11:41:58 AM

MindfieIdsCommunists are sick puppies! they wanna control every aspect your life! GRRR!

That makes me think of the Socialist hacks in DC right now.
January 13, 2010 11:43:18 AM

GodhatesusallMay i remind you that chinas has stopped being communist loooooooooooong time ago?I mean, McDonald's,Apple, Microsoft, Google etc all have offices there(and make lots of $$). What kind of communism dictates that the means of production are controlled by individuals?Better change the phrase to"Chinese capitalists are sick puppies! they wanna control every aspect of our life! GRRR!"

Your an idiot if you don't think China is still RED.
January 13, 2010 11:44:25 AM

Does this mean Google's internet security team are not up to the task?
January 13, 2010 11:49:27 AM

I was right, it's fast.. Baidu's stock went up $60 a share (pre-market). That is super fast.
January 13, 2010 12:04:29 PM

pei-chenDoes this mean Google's internet security team are not up to the task?


Sounds like it. Or Google spend too much money on A*roid and no money to hire additional internet security work force to fight the hackers.
January 13, 2010 12:13:20 PM

invlemThere's a difference between abiding by the chinese governments censorship regulations and having your customers accounts being hacked into by them. The hacking exposes serious security risks for google, gmail is gmail regardless of which country its subscribers are based. If they start hacking chinese gmail accounts whats stopping them from hacking into non-chinese gmail accounts. In this respect I can totally understand Google's stance and quite frankly the security of the rest of their gmail accounts worldwide might be worth a billion dollars to them.

Odd how you get a thumbs up for saying that but I get a thumbs down
Fickle people
January 13, 2010 12:14:00 PM

GodhatesusallGoogle won't do it.....Seriously,does anyone here believe that a huge multi-national corporation will just throw away 1 bn $ just because they "care about censorship"?

Agreed. Looks like a PR move to keep up the "Google is a good guy" image. Never mind they have 90%+ of the search market and are actually hurting other companies with subsidized youtube/google code/google whatever.
January 13, 2010 12:36:31 PM

Actual revenue is $300 million a year not $1 billion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/world/asia/14beijing....

Also, even if google doesn't end up actually leaving, it's a good wake up call to the Chinese government that they can't just keep imposing their strict censorship on the world if they expect foreign companies to keep investing there.

I also find it funny the government claims all their censorship is to prevent spread of porn as sex is considered morally degrading, yet at the same time, any well to do man in China is expected to have at least 1-2 mistresses.

January 13, 2010 12:45:49 PM

i don't know where you get the $1billion number. From the link in the article it says google makes between $300-600 million, they don't say if that is gross or net. but it only accounts for less then 5% of googles income. agen they don't specify whether or not that is gross or net income. if those are gross numbers, china is really a losing market for google.
January 13, 2010 1:09:35 PM

The whole western world should bring China down for good.

First: Kill the WTO
Second: Ban Chinese exports to the western world
Third: Watch them go bankrupt, starve and then go to civil war!
January 13, 2010 1:27:35 PM

back_by_demandOdd how you get a thumbs up for saying that but I get a thumbs downFickle people

just say what's on your mind, man. I couldn't care less about the thumbs thing and even sometimes enjoy seeing people going nuts over that, trying to shut you up.
Whatever...
January 13, 2010 1:32:35 PM

haha in the face
January 13, 2010 1:34:53 PM

Sigh... Old news. Drudge Report carried this story early yesterday. Nice try though.

Could be an interesting move by Google nonetheless. I wonder if and how the US government will get involved in this, because this will have negative effects on the relationship between the two nations.
January 13, 2010 1:35:34 PM

SAL-eNo. I am not stereotypical... I have faced with the choice to compromise in the past and I maid my choice.The last meal on earth or any meal is scarce resource and as result it could be own as private property. The owner of the property should have the freedom to decide to share it or not.The values are not property and should not be traded. What I believe in and value don't effect your believes and values.And yes, I am not giving you my cent... you need to earn it from me.


Before you buy all American/Made in USA, how about a STFU ?

Yeah you, please just STFU ?
January 13, 2010 1:36:51 PM

TommySchThe whole western world should bring China down for good. First: Kill the WTOSecond: Ban Chinese exports to the western worldThird: Watch them go bankrupt, starve and then go to civil war!


Maybe you faggots should re-pay the amount of money you OWE first ?

Lets see who goes bankrupt first, douchebag.
January 13, 2010 1:43:32 PM

doc70just say what's on your mind, man. I couldn't care less about the thumbs thing and even sometimes enjoy seeing people going nuts over that, trying to shut you up.Whatever...

I always say whats on my mind, and the thumbs up/down thing doesn't alter my opinion, but expressing a positive feedback then a negative feedback for the same thing makes them a bit of a prick.
January 13, 2010 1:45:53 PM

I remember what google initially was - The Anti-corporation. Its whole thought process in the beginning was that it was different from the other conglomerates. However, as time progressed and they became immensely wealthy, they have strayed from their own philosophy in my opinion. Between that and their potential information hoarding, I have a while back switched to a combo of bing + yahoo and pretty much said fuck google. However, ANY company that will close up shop on a $1 billion a year branch just to say screw a government, is ok in my book, and will have proven they are not merely the corporate machine they once hated, and still have a little bit of what made them what they are hanging around. That said, should they close up shop in China, I'll switch searching back to google, and will likely shit-can my iPhone in favor of a droid one on general principle. This is how strongly I'd agree with them moving out due to the unfair and facist government of China.
End personal thought, I dont believe for a goddamn minute they are serious and agree with Mr. godhatesusall that its likely a PR move.
January 13, 2010 1:53:01 PM

banthracisAlso, even if google doesn't end up actually leaving, it's a good wake up call to the Chinese government that they can't just keep imposing their strict censorship on the world if they expect foreign companies to keep investing there.I also find it funny the government claims all their censorship is to prevent spread of porn as sex is considered morally degrading, yet at the same time, any well to do man in China is expected to have at least 1-2 mistresses.


Chinese government censorship and privacy policies and cultural differences have nothing to do with the rest of the world. The Chinese government is not censoring the World or hacking non-Chinese people's accounts. The world is a very big and diverse place and what is considered immoral or taboo in one country may be considered normal in another country.

Google leaving or not leaving would have very little impact on how the Chinese government operates. I doubt very much that the Chinese government would even notice or care if Google left.
January 13, 2010 2:02:22 PM

chunkymonsterChinese government censorship and privacy policies and cultural differences have nothing to do with the rest of the world. The Chinese government is not censoring the World or hacking non-Chinese people's accounts. The world is a very big and diverse place and what is considered immoral or taboo in one country may be considered normal in another country. Google leaving or not leaving would have very little impact on how the Chinese government operates. I doubt very much that the Chinese government would even notice or care if Google left.


Well considering I am chinese, and my entire family lives in China I think I know what I'm talking about.

The government here makes a big deal about how the world invests in China, and how china is growing in important. So yes, it's a big deal if google leaves. It'll hurt the image of the government and it's grand vision of China becoming more and more critical to the world.
At the same time, the people in china in no way consider the censorship to be fair. The invasion of privacy has nothing to do with cultural differences, it's a fundamental human right issue.

Also, the whole mistresses thing is a huge issue, and very hypocritical of the government officials. Several of my uncles are going through very difficult time with their wives as they're found out about their mistresses.
January 13, 2010 2:22:25 PM

China's gov't is probably ecstatic.
January 13, 2010 2:33:44 PM

banthracisSo yes, it's a big deal if google leaves. It'll hurt the image of the government and it's grand vision of China becoming more and more critical to the world. At the same time, the people in china in no way consider the censorship to be fair. The invasion of privacy has nothing to do with cultural differences, it's a fundamental human right issue.Also, the whole mistresses thing is a huge issue, and very hypocritical of the government officials. Several of my uncles are going through very difficult time with their wives as they're found out about their mistresses.


LOL, what image? China is known supercop the internet and hack others in the world. Specially mail spams.
and
50% out of all the marriage in this world are divorce or cheat.
LOL....

January 13, 2010 2:38:52 PM

vestinThe Chinese kind. I'm glad you asked.They are a communist country with free-market economy. Again - don't make the false (marxist in its nature, BTW) assumption that once you've described the country's economy, you know everything about its government and society.Also - I believe that while Google does care about profits it also simply wants to make the world a better place. Call me naive, but I believe that Google not only is not and will not be evil... it's actually a force of good, not just another corporation with splendid PR.

We can only hope.
Anonymous
January 13, 2010 2:40:45 PM

It's funny how most people just talk about the small money that Google has to gain by staying. There is massive corporate espionage taking place on America from China and it's citizens, inside and out. Google and 30 other fortune 500 companies just got hacked into, this is serious, and if Americans think they can keep living in a fantasy land where everyone is friends and we can just sit on our couch and play Xbox you are mistaken. China does not care about American and is only using America and Americans in every way they can to get ahead and once they fully complete their goal they will get rid of you. If you read any type of China tech forums they always have tons of "Support our countries products" posts etc. Why else do you think Baidu has the majority share? Because it's better than Google? That is a joke if you think so. I think China and it's products need to be boycotted in a major way in all areas. There is a stranglehold on our country with 90% Made in China products on our shelves, they own trillions of dollars of our debt, they send millions of students to our schools to get our technology to take back to their country, they don't care about Americans or our culture they start their own cities in our cities, they also have huge numbers of lobbying groups to protect their interests in our government and businesses.The only reason China wants Google to stay is so they can be used for the investment they bring to the country not to mention the technology and knowledge that can be stolen and copied just to be given to local competitors. Americans and the world in general needs to wake up and stop being naive. Good for Google if they make this move and others that follow.
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January 13, 2010 2:41:49 PM

Good for Google, Now we can ask Google to do the same in this country . I mean really do u call Google a "true" search engine ? "not". It "Google" censors every search all in the name of speed. How you mite ask, they have their own directory of listings that use from previous search's. For example, i type Google.com,(Google) see's my IP originating from, in my case Canada, it Google brings me to Google.ca. because it believes that is what i want "NOT" ,oh it then sees i come from french part of Canada and then i thinks i want french content too.
That is censorship, Back in the mid 90's a search engine by the name of
NorthernLights.com would give me thousands of hits from every country in the world as long as that word was part of the meta tag of the web site. It would then subdivide it into categories like government, educational, entertainment , etc. It gave me the control over all my search's so that i could look at thousands of search's and narrow it
down to what i needed. Sadly that engine was bought and made private
so that u had to pay for every search. Just so food for thought.
Google u are a bunch of Hippocrates.
January 13, 2010 2:59:40 PM

twuLOL, what image? China is known supercop the internet and hack others in the world. Specially mail spams.and50% out of all the marriage in this world are divorce or cheat.LOL....


In China, the government values it's image a lot. With the benefit of free media yes in the US and western world the government's indiscretions are known. HOWEVER, INSIDE china, the people strongly believe the government is good and has the best interests of the ppl in mind. A huge part of this is ANY sort of bad news, or bad for government image news is censored. Google actively helps the government achieve this at the moment.

As for marriage, unlike the west, (on the topic of cultural differences here), marriage is highly regarded in China and divorces are very rare and very much frowned upon. So, yes in China and in the Chinese culture it's a HUGE deal to get a divorce. I consider it a positive over the west where you have people marrying and divorcing on the same day.
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