Best way to host a video conference

[bort]

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.messenger (More info?)

I want to host a conference where people can easily join.

I have both Netmeeting and MSN Messenger.

If I start a conf using Netmeeting, can MSN Messenger users join it, or do
they have to have Netmeeting?

I don't want to have to invite each person individually as I want anyone to
be able to join. MSNM seems to only allow me to set up a conf only to ppl on
my contact list.

Recommendations?

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.messenger (More info?)

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:20:12 +1100, bort wrote:

> I want to host a conference where people can easily join.
>
> I have both Netmeeting and MSN Messenger.
>
> If I start a conf using Netmeeting, can MSN Messenger users join it, or do
> they have to have Netmeeting?

NetMeeting only connects to Netmeeting ( or other H.323 program) in a
audio/video call. Msn/Windows Messenger only connects to Messenger. There
is no cross program capability.

>
> I don't want to have to invite each person individually as I want anyone to
> be able to join. MSNM seems to only allow me to set up a conf only to ppl on
> my contact list.
>

Messenger requires other parties have passports and be on your contact list
and currently online to a Messenger to contact them. NetMeeting does not
require server access and can connect or be connected to directly via IP
address.

Neither will support more than one to one audio/video calling though
(Messenger has a webcam feature that allows transmission of video to more
than one receiver -- which might be acceptable -- not exactly sure of your
needs).



--
Brian Sullivan (MVP)
Meeting by Wire ( www.meetingbywire.com)

 

[bort]

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.messenger (More info?)

"Brian Sullivan MVP" <brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> wrote in message
news:197v5cgjyzsh0.q13nzrmzypoe$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:20:12 +1100, bort wrote:
>
>> I want to host a conference where people can easily join.
>>
>> I have both Netmeeting and MSN Messenger.
>>
>> If I start a conf using Netmeeting, can MSN Messenger users join it, or
>> do
>> they have to have Netmeeting?
>
> NetMeeting only connects to Netmeeting ( or other H.323 program) in a
> audio/video call. Msn/Windows Messenger only connects to Messenger. There
> is no cross program capability.

OK, that's no good as I doubt many people have NM installed already.

> Messenger requires other parties have passports and be on your contact
> list
> and currently online to a Messenger to contact them. NetMeeting does not
> require server access and can connect or be connected to directly via IP
> address.
>
> Neither will support more than one to one audio/video calling though
> (Messenger has a webcam feature that allows transmission of video to more
> than one receiver -- which might be acceptable -- not exactly sure of your
> needs).

I want to provide video to a group, the others will not be sending video.

But I still have to have each and every person in my contact list already?

I tried the Yahoo Messenger and anyone in a chatroom can join the conf,
whcih is what I want... pity the video was very very slow (less than 1 fps).
= unusable

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.messenger (More info?)

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:08:14 +1100, bort wrote:

> "Brian Sullivan MVP" <brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> wrote in message
> news:197v5cgjyzsh0.q13nzrmzypoe$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:20:12 +1100, bort wrote:
>>
>>> I want to host a conference where people can easily join.
>>>
>>> I have both Netmeeting and MSN Messenger.
>>>
>>> If I start a conf using Netmeeting, can MSN Messenger users join it, or
>>> do
>>> they have to have Netmeeting?
>>
>> NetMeeting only connects to Netmeeting ( or other H.323 program) in a
>> audio/video call. Msn/Windows Messenger only connects to Messenger. There
>> is no cross program capability.
>
> OK, that's no good as I doubt many people have NM installed already.

Your assessment is probably not accurate -- every Windows system since
Win98 came with NM -- all Win2000 and later systems have NetMeeting
preinstalled. I doubt if there more than a few Windows systems still in use
with no NetMeeting at all installed.


>
>> Messenger requires other parties have passports and be on your contact
>> list
>> and currently online to a Messenger to contact them. NetMeeting does not
>> require server access and can connect or be connected to directly via IP
>> address.
>>
>> Neither will support more than one to one audio/video calling though
>> (Messenger has a webcam feature that allows transmission of video to more
>> than one receiver -- which might be acceptable -- not exactly sure of your
>> needs).
>
> I want to provide video to a group, the others will not be sending video.

NetMeeting (at least NetMeeting) alone then is ruled out - it sends video
to only one participant.

>
> But I still have to have each and every person in my contact list already?


Yes.

>
> I tried the Yahoo Messenger and anyone in a chatroom can join the conf,
> whcih is what I want... pity the video was very very slow (less than 1 fps).
> = unusable

Depending on the number of people involved, size of video and available
bandwidth Messenger might not be any better.

--
Brian Sullivan (MVP)
Meeting by Wire ( www.meetingbywire.com)

 

[bort]

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.messenger (More info?)

"Brian Sullivan MVP" <brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> wrote in message
news:t3vzqb7zm5fl$.1s6mcwhknywps.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:08:14 +1100, bort wrote:

>> I want to provide video to a group, the others will not be sending video.
>
> NetMeeting (at least NetMeeting) alone then is ruled out - it sends video
> to only one participant.

I thought that presenting a videoconference to a group was the whole point
of NM???

>> But I still have to have each and every person in my contact list
>> already?
>
> Yes.
>>
>> I tried the Yahoo Messenger and anyone in a chatroom can join the conf,
>> whcih is what I want... pity the video was very very slow (less than 1
>> fps).
>> = unusable
>
> Depending on the number of people involved, size of video and available
> bandwidth Messenger might not be any better.

I'll probably have about 10 or so participants max. I have a 1MB upstream
connection which should suffice. The Yahoo observation was made watching the
preview window without anyone connected so I assume it was software related.

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.messenger (More info?)

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:25:25 +1100, bort wrote:

>> NetMeeting (at least NetMeeting) alone then is ruled out - it sends video
>> to only one participant.
>
> I thought that presenting a videoconference to a group was the whole point
> of NM???


I am not sure about the "whole point" but NM does have the ability to
participate in a multi-party audio/video call -- only if supported by an
MCU/conference server though.

NetMeeting supports (on its own) two party audio/video calls and
multi-party data calls ( the "meeting"). Its function and ability has been
this way since it was introduced (9 or so years ago).




>> Depending on the number of people involved, size of video and available
>> bandwidth Messenger might not be any better.
>
> I'll probably have about 10 or so participants max. I have a 1MB upstream
> connection which should suffice. The Yahoo observation was made watching the
> preview window without anyone connected so I assume it was software related.


All I can suggest is to try -- the webcam video can routed various ways (
direct IP to IP or through a server if participants are behind NATs) so it
is not easy to predict quality of video. Also your 1MB upsteam is a nominal
maximum speed - whether that is available full bandwidth and in real time
even to the first upsteam router is not easily predicted(but likely not).




--
Brian Sullivan (MVP)
Meeting by Wire ( www.meetingbywire.com)

 

[bort]

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.messenger (More info?)

"Brian Sullivan MVP" <brians@WORMTIREDmeetingbywire.com> wrote in message
news:1lv1da4oeiucw.rlds22gd6fnj$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:25:25 +1100, bort wrote:
>
>>> NetMeeting (at least NetMeeting) alone then is ruled out - it sends
>>> video
>>> to only one participant.
>>
>> I thought that presenting a videoconference to a group was the whole
>> point
>> of NM???
>
>
> I am not sure about the "whole point" but NM does have the ability to
> participate in a multi-party audio/video call -- only if supported by an
> MCU/conference server though.
>
> NetMeeting supports (on its own) two party audio/video calls and
> multi-party data calls ( the "meeting"). Its function and ability has been
> this way since it was introduced (9 or so years ago).
>
>
>
>
>>> Depending on the number of people involved, size of video and available
>>> bandwidth Messenger might not be any better.
>>
>> I'll probably have about 10 or so participants max. I have a 1MB upstream
>> connection which should suffice. The Yahoo observation was made watching
>> the
>> preview window without anyone connected so I assume it was software
>> related.
>
>
> All I can suggest is to try -- the webcam video can routed various ways (
> direct IP to IP or through a server if participants are behind NATs) so it
> is not easy to predict quality of video. Also your 1MB upsteam is a
> nominal
> maximum speed - whether that is available full bandwidth and in real time
> even to the first upsteam router is not easily predicted(but likely not).

Thanks for all your help, Brian.

 

[bojabie]

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.messenger (More info?)

I want to host a conference where people can easily join.

I have both Netmeeting and MSN Messenger.

If I start a conf using Netmeeting, can MSN Messenger users join it, or do
they have to have Netmeeting?

I don't want to have to invite each person individually as I want anyone to
be able to join. MSNM seems to only allow me to set up a conf only to ppl on
my contact list.

Recommendations?

Use Bojabie for secure video conferencing. Below is downloading link:
http://bojabie.com/home/index/contact