Deleting files

Ok, what happens when u delete and file and empty teh recycle bin? Is it totally gone?

Only if you let me see the Umpa Lumpa- Homer Simpson.

yes, the files are gone permenantly, as far as Windows is concerned.

actually, its just the directory entry and FAT entries cleared so that the system may write a newer file on that space and replace the directory entry.

its funny that the system writes the character *sigma* (0xe5) for the first letter of a deleted entry, and if the first character of a file is actually a *sigma* then it writes a 0x05 as the first character.

if you have just cleared the recycle bin, you might be able to retreive the file, but if you have used the system for a while after clearing the recycle bin, then you have a thin chance of getting back the file! Norton diskedit and other hex editors can help you get the file back.

girish

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K, thanks, actually, reason I asked is cause I have heard of it not actually being deleted. Are there progs that definetly delet a file?

Sig of the week.

its seems as operating systems get more complex its harder to erase all existance of the file...
ive heard reports of people investigating this and finding hidden copies of files, ghost images etc scattered within the hard drive.

but generally a program like norton is a good way to get rid of a file and prevent at least non-professionals from recovering it.


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kinda... sorta...
its like dos and how it was done then...
the file was gone, and not in the FAT, but the first letter of the filename was changed and all the 1's and zero's were still there...

obviously its much more complex, but fragments of files still exist...

one reason why a defrag and a "wipe free space" is such a good idea security wise.
to be honest it gives me a sore head thinkin about it LOL


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A little brown humanoid plus a case of probes with that sir?

This most paranoid friend of mine tells me that files deleted even with secure specialist deleting programs can be recovered at least partially. In the oldern days you could just drop the drive from a couple of meters and it would be fine, but nowadyas, the drives can withstand that. So, there is this new method. You can have explosives implanted into the drive, with a manual and a software tripwire. The manual one, you just pull a cord. The software one is connected to the parallel port pins on the motherboard and you get a program that can set it off.

Yes, he does have long hair and a beard and thick glasses. He doesn't carry a unix book around everywhere though.

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Lol, I just need the files permanatly gone, but the hdd still working. I needed it dead, I have a more creative idea. First use a 10 guage shotgun (ahem, making sure the bullets don't come back and hit u in the shoulder ), then chemistry experiment w/ multiple acids

Sig of the week.

Soak the drive in coca-cola...in a matter of days the drive will be completely digested.

"If it weren't for the last minute, alot of things wouldn't get done"

I think certain government agencies make sure to format all drives they throw out, and re-write noise on them numerous times, then drill holes in them all, then bury them.

Lyrics. Wasted time between solos.

Haha, yeah. That'll corrupt any files left on the drive (hehe it'll FUBAR them).

Lyrics. Wasted time between solos.

That's gonna be my new thing... FUBAR

Lyrics. Wasted time between solos.

Is the R for repair or recognition? I've heard both...

Lyrics. Wasted time between solos.

Reality.

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HUH? Reality? What does the rest of it mean then?


I always heard: Fscked up beyone all repair/recognition...

Lyrics. Wasted time between solos.

I've tried destroying a hard drive by demagnetizing it, freezing it, ripping it out of the machine when it was accessing the drive, banging it, etc etc...

Nothing would kill it.

I needed it to look like it had failed, not vandalized, but I failed. Finally gave up.

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110 V AC oughta do it

Lyrics. Wasted time between solos.

Heh.

Lyrics. Wasted time between solos.

I almost had it.

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give the guy a chance. tell him he's got to stand well back!

As to geting data from a none ME drive apparently using a scanning tunneling microscope (think that's what there called (the thing ibm used to write ibm in carbon atoms)) you can read the data that was first written on bit by bit. problem is that it take sodding ages so no one in there right mind would do it on a modern hard drive (as they have to scan the whole thing in case it was fragmented (or maby most of the drive and use error crection on the missing stuff? cant rember exactly)) any way no one would try it on your stuff unless you worked with "THEM" or maby "THEY" and had intresting stuff on your disks.

you dont do you?

but to realy distroy it you have to melt the platters.

Now thats what I want to know!