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Drool: Maingear's New OC'd Core i7 Gaming Rigs

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January 21, 2010 7:19:08 PM

Can it play Hello Kitty?
January 21, 2010 7:19:49 PM

Can it play Hello Kitty???
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January 21, 2010 7:23:14 PM

Are you kidding me? whats up with the super mild CPU overclocks? As if that x20 (probably some asetek LCLC variation/upgrade) couldn't handle a 975 to 4.0 easy, and the 950 to AT LEAST 3.6 easily.

Blah.
January 21, 2010 7:23:33 PM

Yawn. They could have at least overclocked it higher than that...

On another note, why does the "zoom" link under the picture show a picture that's the same resolution?
January 21, 2010 7:24:51 PM

vis inertiaeCan it play Hello Kitty???


Yes it can.

Spec requirements:

Windows® 98/ME/2000/XP Pentium® II 350 MHz or faster 32 MB RAM 250 MB hard drive space 256 color display 640x480 resolution 8x CD-ROM drive DirectX® 9.0 or higher (included on CD) 32 MB DirectX 9.0 compliant video card DirectX compliant sound card Mouse
January 21, 2010 7:24:59 PM

This doesn't seem that impressive. Sure you have dual 5870's, SSD and an i7 975, but the top model is only running at 3.6 GHz. You could overclock a 920 to that with minimum effort.
January 21, 2010 7:28:59 PM

With that price, why not a 256GB SSD? Or at least paint the interior black.
a b 4 Gaming
January 21, 2010 7:31:19 PM

You could build a better performing Rig than that F1X750 for $2k...

Even at lawyer rates, $3000 for a couple hrs of work is pushing it.

January 21, 2010 7:35:31 PM

Very Nice.
Some will snub their noses. But everyone would like to have the nice
extras. Blu Ray, SSD, over the top memory.
January 21, 2010 7:39:27 PM

Yeah, at that price where are the dual 5970 cards?
January 21, 2010 7:40:25 PM

notty22Very Nice.Some will snub their noses. But everyone would like to have the niceextras. Blu Ray, SSD, over the top memory.


I won't snub and could care less about the liquid cooling/overclock but... that is way too much money for those parts.

Nice and clean inside though.
January 21, 2010 7:42:09 PM

Those are some pretty weak over-clocks. If I'm shelling out that kind of money for a quasi-custom build, I sure as damn hell want to see some Tom's Hardware quality OCs.
January 21, 2010 7:57:57 PM

Sure, with some TLC you can push these higher. But these are retail systems, and each and every one has to hit those numbers each time and make it out the door in 5 days. And then be supported for a year, with someone at the other end of the phone every day, 6 days a week. Different animal than building your own. And definitely costs more than the cost of the parts.
January 21, 2010 7:58:19 PM

Sure, with some TLC you can push these higher. But these are retail systems, and each and every one has to hit those numbers each time and make it out the door in 5 days. And then be supported for a year, with someone at the other end of the phone every day, 6 days a week. Different animal than building your own. And definitely costs more than the cost of the parts.
January 21, 2010 7:59:39 PM

Really?!? if some body is willing, I'll make a custom open loop computer with higher overclock/better water cooling components for $1000 less.
January 21, 2010 8:03:13 PM

Yawn.... I'v been building rigs like this for much less money. I bet my i7 920 @4Ghz was MUCH cheaper and can run around the i7 975 easily. The ONLY reason to have an unlocked "Extreme" edition Intel CPU is if you are planing to go for world records under DIce/LN2.
January 21, 2010 8:04:04 PM

These are retarded configs. First off, everyone knows you can OC an i-7 920 to ~4GHz. Everyone also knows you don't get much extra(if any) headroom on a 950 or 975. I'm not even going to go into the rest.
January 21, 2010 8:07:53 PM

You guys do realize that playing at retail is a completely different ball game than building your own, one-off system?
a b 4 Gaming
January 21, 2010 8:24:40 PM

chrismorleySure, with some TLC you can push these higher. But these are retail systems, and each and every one has to hit those numbers each time and make it out the door in 5 days. And then be supported for a year, with someone at the other end of the phone every day, 6 days a week. Different animal than building your own. And definitely costs more than the cost of the parts.


They can easily do much higher OC's.
How to get 99% of i5-750's to 3.6
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/256144-29-lga1156-cor...

Same for an i7-920
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/253365-29-core-overcl...

No reason maingear can't do higher Overclocks. 3.6 is something 99% of i5/i7 chips can hit.

Sure they need extra to pay for tech support, but those exact components come out to ~$3k on newegg.

Charging over 2k to do an OC that barely beats turboboost and 1 year of support is a major rip off.

Hell even Dell 3 year on site next day support and full accidental protection only costs $600 ...

January 21, 2010 8:38:16 PM

banthracisThey can easily do much higher OC's. How to get 99% of i5-750's to 3.6 http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] king-guideSame for an i7-920http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] king-guideNo reason maingear can't do higher Overclocks. 3.6 is something 99% of i5/i7 chips can hit.Sure they need extra to pay for tech support, but those exact components come out to ~$3k on newegg. Charging over 2k to do an OC that barely beats turboboost and 1 year of support is a major rip off. Hell even Dell 3 year on site next day support and full accidental protection only costs $600 ...


I know we can do higher - we do it all the time on our direct systems. But these are mild overclocks meant for mass-production retail systems. The F1X 500 is the #2 best selling Gaming PC on Tigerdirect.com right now. It's a completely different game than our BTO, direct systems. Different customers, different needs.

As to overclocks, we've been overclocking systems since 2002. And we've had to SUPPORT them. We've seen overclocks fail in year 2 and 3. We stay conservative. There's no reason to eek out a few hundred more MHz except to win a benchmark.

Yes, the F1X is tamer than we normally do. We take 960's to 3.86GHz and 975's to 4.0GHz. But we have much more time with those systems.

With the F1X it's out the door within 5 days.

As to "overpriced" - tell me what price is fair that will keep my employees around, pay taxes, insurance, packaging, marketing, etc. There's more to the cost of a system than the parts when you're talking about a whole company backing it up.
January 21, 2010 8:45:01 PM

Nothing to Drool over. My daily rig is just as good.
January 21, 2010 8:48:21 PM

I just want that silverstone case
January 21, 2010 8:50:35 PM

you would think they would put a couple 5970s in crossfire in there.......
January 21, 2010 8:53:47 PM

I'm all out of yawns...
January 21, 2010 8:57:21 PM

These systems aren't built for do it yourself type guys. Chrismorley is defending your typical derogatory internet banter very politely. He's got a market for these systems, which is awesome. I tell ya the cable management looks fantastic and you can't always get that even at these prices. Good job with the rigs. They look great. Very clean.

Tom's readers are the type that go buy value parts (including myself) and put together a rig the equivalent of a WRX. Then we push it as far as we can for FREE and get the performance of a Ferrari. People with Ferrari money buy Ferrari's, not turbo economy cars to be souped up. I agree that putting a 975 in anything is overkill and overpriced, but if I didn't know crap about computers and wanted the best...975 here I come, or should I say Chris here I come. Cuz i'd want my 975 packaged cleanly and supported properly. He's got a market. Keep up the good work.
January 21, 2010 9:03:23 PM

rpmrushThese systems aren't built for do it yourself type guys. Chrismorley is defending your typical derogatory internet banter very politely. He's got a market for these systems, which is awesome. I tell ya the cable management looks fantastic and you can't always get that even at these prices. Good job with the rigs. They look great. Very clean.Tom's readers are the type that go buy value parts (including myself) and put together a rig the equivalent of a WRX. Then we push it as far as we can for FREE and get the performance of a Ferrari. People with Ferrari money buy Ferrari's, not turbo economy cars to be souped up. I agree that putting a 975 in anything is overkill and overpriced, but if I didn't know crap about computers and wanted the best...975 here I come, or should I say Chris here I come. Cuz i'd want my 975 packaged cleanly and supported properly. He's got a market. Keep up the good work.


Thanks, I don't mind the remarks - to quote the movie Constantine, "Fire? I was born of this!" If I really wanted to stir the pot I'd tell you guys I was a managing editor at [H]ard|OCP once upon a time. (I really was)

But, like you say, there is a market out there, we price our products in order to stay in business. We're not rolling in money. I sleep very well at night knowing I make less money than most of my peers. ;) 
January 21, 2010 9:15:40 PM

I do realize these aren't value based systems. However, it would seem a better option to offer the 920 and keep the Intel SSD on the F1X 500. Or hell at least just change it to the 920 keep the clock rate and have a larger profit margin.. lol. At any rate, any time you can sneak an SSD in, u'll have a noticeably faster system. I'd say it'd be worth a drop in clock rate. I see these aren't configurable and only available through retail and e-tail chains so I guess they are set models.
January 21, 2010 9:18:18 PM

that is definitely asetek cooling :( 

wish some OEM's would use REAL watercooling
a b 4 Gaming
January 21, 2010 9:19:10 PM

The issue I have Chris is that you're doing mass production designs, but charging a premium over parts cost, that's greater than most custom builders.

What's the point of buying the F1x750 from you guys for example, if an identical custom build at AVADirect rushed (ie arrives at my door in 7 days) costs ~$4650 including shipping (which is $186 by itself)?

I understand that's there are plenty of other cost's associated w/ running a business, but when a mass production item is 10% more expensive than a custom built computer from a competitor (more if you $5149 price doesn't include shipping), I have to say that qualifies as overpriced.

Build linked below.
Not 100% identical as I don't know exact parts Maingear uses, but everything is equivalent. It's got a 160gb X25-M instead of an 80gb, but AVADirect charges $200 for rush, so I figure they cancel out.

CUSTOM GAMING PC Core™ i7 X58 SLI® / CrossFireX™ Gaming PC $4457.21 UPDATE $4457.21

* INTEL Core™ i7-975 Extreme Quad-Core, 3.33GHz, LGA1366, 6.4 GT/s QPI, 8MB L3 Cache, 45nm, 130W, EM64T EIST VT XD, Retail
* ARCTIC SILVER Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound, Polysynthetic Silver
* SERVICE Mild Overclocking, 10-20% Performance Increase
* COOLIT DM-1000 Domino A.L.C. Liquid CPU Cooler w/ Fan Speed Controller, Socket 1366/775/AM2+, 19.2 - 39.4 dBA
* ASUS P6T, LGA1366, Intel® X58, 6400 MT/s QPI, DDR3-2000 (O.C.) 12GB /6, PCIe x16 SLI CF /3, SATA 3.0 Gb/s RAID 5 /8, HDA, GbLAN, FW /2, ATX, Retail
* KINGSTON 12GB (6 x 2GB) ValueRAM PC3-8500 DDR3 1066MHz CL7 (7-7-7) 1.5V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC
* SAPPHIRE Radeon™ HD 5870 850MHz, 1GB GDDR5 4800MHz, PCIe x16 CrossFire, DVI /2, DP, HDMI, Retail
* SAPPHIRE Radeon™ HD 5870 850MHz, 1GB GDDR5 4800MHz, PCIe x16 CrossFire, DVI /2, DP, HDMI, Retail
* WESTERN DIGITAL 1.5TB WD Caviar® Green™ (WD15EADS), SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 32MB Cache
* INTEL 160GB X25-M (G2) Mainstream SSD, MLC, 250/70 MB/s, 2.5-Inch, SATA 3 Gb/s, Retail
* RAID No RAID, Independent HDD Drives
* SABRENT CRW-UINB Black 65-in-1 Card Reader/Writer Drive, 3.5" Bay, Internal USB
* LG ELECTRONICS WH08LS20 Black 8x/16x/24x BD/DVD/CD Blu-ray Disc™ Burner, SATA, Retail
* SILVERSTONE Temjin TJ09 Black Tower Case w/ Window, EATX, No PSU
* CUSTOM WIRING Standard Wiring with Round Cables
* SILVERSTONE Strider ST1000 Power Supply w/ Modular Cables, 1000W, 80 PLUS®, 24-pin ATX12V EPS12V, Six 6-pin + Two 8-pin PCIe, Retail
* MICROSOFT Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Edition, OEM
* SERVICE OEM System Recovery (secure HDD partition only)
* SERVICE System Binder
* LOGITECH FREE Deluxe 250, Black, USB, OEM
* CUSTOM GAMING PC Silver Warranty Package (3 Year Limited Parts, 3 Year Labor Warranty)
* SERVICE Standard Shipping (UPS, DHL, or Fedex)
a b 4 Gaming
January 21, 2010 9:23:01 PM

Need an edit button >.<

AVADirect also has 3 years warranty and service as opposed to the 1 year from tiger direct.
January 21, 2010 9:27:30 PM

rpmrushI do realize these aren't value based systems. However, it would seem a better option to offer the 920 and keep the Intel SSD on the F1X 500. Or hell at least just change it to the 920 keep the clock rate and have a larger profit margin.. lol. At any rate, any time you can sneak an SSD in, u'll have a noticeably faster system. I'd say it'd be worth a drop in clock rate. I see these aren't configurable and only available through retail and e-tail chains so I guess they are set models.


Doesn't matter - people see i7 920 and no matter what you say, that's all they see.
January 21, 2010 9:28:08 PM

banthracisThe issue I have Chris is that you're doing mass production designs, but charging a premium over parts cost, that's greater than most custom builders. What's the point of buying the F1x750 from you guys for example, if an identical custom build at AVADirect rushed (ie arrives at my door in 7 days) costs ~$4650 including shipping (which is $186 by itself)?I understand that's there are plenty of other cost's associated w/ running a business, but when a mass production item is 10% more expensive than a custom built computer from a competitor (more if you $5149 price doesn't include shipping), I have to say that qualifies as overpriced. Build linked below. Not 100% identical as I don't know exact parts Maingear uses, but everything is equivalent. It's got a 160gb X25-M instead of an 80gb, but AVADirect charges $200 for rush, so I figure they cancel out. CUSTOM GAMING PC Core™ i7 X58 SLI® / CrossFireX™ Gaming PC $4457.21 UPDATE $4457.21 * INTEL Core™ i7-975 Extreme Quad-Core, 3.33GHz, LGA1366, 6.4 GT/s QPI, 8MB L3 Cache, 45nm, 130W, EM64T EIST VT XD, Retail * ARCTIC SILVER Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound, Polysynthetic Silver * SERVICE Mild Overclocking, 10-20% Performance Increase * COOLIT DM-1000 Domino A.L.C. Liquid CPU Cooler w/ Fan Speed Controller, Socket 1366/775/AM2+, 19.2 - 39.4 dBA * ASUS P6T, LGA1366, Intel® X58, 6400 MT/s QPI, DDR3-2000 (O.C.) 12GB /6, PCIe x16 SLI CF /3, SATA 3.0 Gb/s RAID 5 /8, HDA, GbLAN, FW /2, ATX, Retail * KINGSTON 12GB (6 x 2GB) ValueRAM PC3-8500 DDR3 1066MHz CL7 (7-7-7) 1.5V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC * SAPPHIRE Radeon™ HD 5870 850MHz, 1GB GDDR5 4800MHz, PCIe x16 CrossFire, DVI /2, DP, HDMI, Retail * SAPPHIRE Radeon™ HD 5870 850MHz, 1GB GDDR5 4800MHz, PCIe x16 CrossFire, DVI /2, DP, HDMI, Retail * WESTERN DIGITAL 1.5TB WD Caviar® Green™ (WD15EADS), SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 32MB Cache * INTEL 160GB X25-M (G2) Mainstream SSD, MLC, 250/70 MB/s, 2.5-Inch, SATA 3 Gb/s, Retail * RAID No RAID, Independent HDD Drives * SABRENT CRW-UINB Black 65-in-1 Card Reader/Writer Drive, 3.5" Bay, Internal USB * LG ELECTRONICS WH08LS20 Black 8x/16x/24x BD/DVD/CD Blu-ray Disc™ Burner, SATA, Retail * SILVERSTONE Temjin TJ09 Black Tower Case w/ Window, EATX, No PSU * CUSTOM WIRING Standard Wiring with Round Cables * SILVERSTONE Strider ST1000 Power Supply w/ Modular Cables, 1000W, 80 PLUS®, 24-pin ATX12V EPS12V, Six 6-pin + Two 8-pin PCIe, Retail * MICROSOFT Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Edition, OEM * SERVICE OEM System Recovery (secure HDD partition only) * SERVICE System Binder * LOGITECH FREE Deluxe 250, Black, USB, OEM * CUSTOM GAMING PC Silver Warranty Package (3 Year Limited Parts, 3 Year Labor Warranty) * SERVICE Standard Shipping (UPS, DHL, or Fedex)


That's for your feedback, it's noted.
January 21, 2010 9:37:23 PM

DigitalStorm makes the same thing or better with high quality parts, a 3 year warranty, a A+ with the BBB and a higher overclock for a fair amount less.
January 21, 2010 9:38:16 PM

over priced..... :( 
January 21, 2010 9:40:14 PM

herniterDigitalStorm makes the same thing or better with high quality parts, a 3 year warranty, a A+ with the BBB and a higher overclock for a fair amount less.


We're an A+ Accredited Business with the BBB and we selling higher overclocks on our direct systems.
January 21, 2010 9:43:20 PM

BTW, we don't set the final retail price that Tiger has set, just FYI.
January 21, 2010 9:45:17 PM

I'm sort of underwhelmed by the specs, given that the increased performance of the i7 975 and 12GB RAM is quite low, relative to the drastically increased price.

The cable management, on the other hand - that is sex. I would love to have my case that neat. 10/10 for presentation.
January 21, 2010 9:47:47 PM

SOoooooo... only an 80 gig SSD? Most people (normal people) End up throwing everything on they're main drive and don;t even realize that there is a second drive in there.
January 21, 2010 10:17:51 PM

There is no way to defend installing a watercooling system in these systems. These overclocks are better supported with a simple air driven hsf. Less cost, less maintenance, less likely to cause a retail company a problem.
January 21, 2010 10:20:08 PM

bob5568There is no way to defend installing a watercooling system in these systems. These overclocks are better supported with a simple air driven hsf. Less cost, less maintenance, less likely to cause a retail company a problem.


Actually, with the majority of the weight bolted to the chassis, we find less shipping damage than a comparable air cooler. We do ship a lot of systems, so we do have a bit of experience with this. ;)  The Asetek LCLC is not very expensive, they are rock solid, and we rarely, if ever, find failures with them.
January 21, 2010 10:28:44 PM

I guess you can defend your concept here, Chris. Hope for your sake there is customer demand. I think the news blurb/add is kind of funny to post at Tom's, however. We have Jane drooling over your $5k box, when all the readers look at it and realize they could build it for half that if they wanted to, and to further realize that you'd have to be a moron to buy that processor due to the lousy price/performance ratio....its just kind of silly.

Good luck in your effort to sell these.
a b 4 Gaming
January 21, 2010 10:36:18 PM

chrismorleyActually, with the majority of the weight bolted to the chassis, we find less shipping damage than a comparable air cooler. We do ship a lot of systems, so we do have a bit of experience with this. The Asetek LCLC is not very expensive, they are rock solid, and we rarely, if ever, find failures with them.



I actually have to support chris with this one. Using for OEM enclosed water cooling systems is a better idea for companies. The two biggest issues in shipping systems is damaged HSF's and GPU's. Both of these are heavy not very secure items that often break or fall off/dmg the mobo in shipping.

Sure these water cooling systems end up performing worse than big air and about the same noise, but having a much lower rate of dmg during shipping is both cost efficient and leads to happier customers.

These considerations are another plus for building your own system.
January 21, 2010 11:47:26 PM

while this discussion is good and meany find this is expensive its the same with why people go and buy OEm computers (office type computers) and pay $300 more than a system they built them selves, if you dont want one of thier computers dont buy it, as for the overclocks, yeah they are conservative but at that price pojnt EVERY SINGLE computer MUST hit that clock, they cant send the CPU back if it doesn't hit 4.0GHz and say "intel this cpu sucks"
January 22, 2010 1:24:38 AM

To the guy who buys the first pc, the f1x 750.
YOU ARE A TOTAL MORON.
Thank you for listening.

seriously though, a $1000,- and not even overlock it to it's max. potential? makes no sence.
Anybody with a brain in his/her head would save at least $600,- and get the cheaper cpu.
Now don't give me the bullshit about: maybe they don't know how it works". Because if somebody is thinkin' about spending $5000,- on a pc, when there are $400,- ones to watch youtube video's on is just retarded.
January 22, 2010 2:16:06 AM

what i find hilarious is that none of the images show any Dual GPU configs, and on top of that, they're all using a red/black coolers that look.. remarkably like the GTX coolers.
January 22, 2010 3:01:33 AM

yoy0yowhat i find hilarious is that none of the images show any Dual GPU configs, and on top of that, they're all using a red/black coolers that look.. remarkably like the GTX coolers.


You noticed that, too. ;)  The pics were of the first gen F1X that we had listed with Tiger as a trial run.
January 22, 2010 3:03:18 AM

bob5568I guess you can defend your concept here, Chris. Hope for your sake there is customer demand. I think the news blurb/add is kind of funny to post at Tom's, however. We have Jane drooling over your $5k box, when all the readers look at it and realize they could build it for half that if they wanted to, and to further realize that you'd have to be a moron to buy that processor due to the lousy price/performance ratio....its just kind of silly. Good luck in your effort to sell these.


The F1X 500 is the #2 best selling desktop on TigerDirect.com, and the F1X 750 is #6. From where we stand we've made the right decisions so far...

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/catego...

And no, we didn't pay for that spot, or this posting of our press release at Tom's.
January 22, 2010 5:01:37 AM

you are right, the clocks can be a bit higher... for a system like that esp the watercooled ones can be at the very least 3.5ghz, but should be clocked to 4.0
January 22, 2010 5:17:33 AM

liquidsnake718you are right, the clocks can be a bit higher... for a system like that esp the watercooled ones can be at the very least 3.5ghz, but should be clocked to 4.0


I'll repeat this one more time - 100% of the systems we send out there have to hit the clocks we advertise. Unlike other systems at Tiger - we actually overclock. We have to support these systems. They have to last. Yes, we can hit 4GHz, but this is not possible with 100% of the chips we get within 5 days of getting an order, so we don't do it.
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