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China Says U.S. Accusations are 'Groundless'

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January 22, 2010 8:41:11 PM

Good for Hilary, it's about time someone speaks up.
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January 22, 2010 8:46:59 PM

It's politic, nobody knows the real truth, they all twist and turn using words.

If China really did it, you think they would admit that they did?
On other hand US gov want a pinch at China ways of doing things
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January 22, 2010 8:47:32 PM

eh it's china fault every country does a bit of hacking espionage but china does a ways too much it's starting to tick people off.
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January 22, 2010 8:52:26 PM

This is so typical of communist regimes, they lie in your face and call white as black while you look at it and see that it is white.
Did not expect any other answer from them...question is, will the US accept this and look the other way, as it has done repeatedly whenever China was involved, or will take a different stance this time? I am willing to bet on the first option.
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January 22, 2010 8:57:03 PM

There is an old saying I want to bring up here...


"Don't bite the hand that feeds you!"

We are so in dept to China Hilary needs to keep her ill informed trap shot!
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January 22, 2010 9:03:32 PM

logiticThere is an old saying I want to bring up here..."Don't bite the hand that feeds you!"We are so in dept to China Hilary needs to keep her ill informed trap shot!


China is so rich to lend out so much money, maybe use the money to better its citizen life style?
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January 22, 2010 9:07:56 PM

The only thing I dislike about China is it's Government.I do love the country,people,the foods,the films, etc.
We have a lot of Asians who live here in Portland, Maine.
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January 22, 2010 9:09:33 PM

"The U.S. has criticized China’s policies to administer the Internet and insinuated that China restricts Internet freedom," said spokesman Ma Zhaoxu, as translated by Wired. "This runs contrary to the facts..."

Right, I wonder how the Chinese dictionary explains the word "freedom"...
Mr. Zhaoxu knew he was lying, his superiors knew he was lying, the whole world knew he was lying, it's ridiculous how this regime embarrasses itself to stay in power.
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January 22, 2010 9:18:05 PM

If politicians were pinacchio's they could probably bridge the Pacific with their noses. LOL
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January 22, 2010 9:35:29 PM

We should believe them, because China has always been forthcoming and truthful.
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January 22, 2010 10:24:12 PM

I hope US doesn't back down because of this.
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January 22, 2010 10:53:53 PM

Get Bill Gates on the phone!
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January 22, 2010 10:58:10 PM

Listen guys,
The US has done some rather shady stuff and as a US citizen i am not to proud about that. But Fortunately for us living in most western countries there is this thing called accountability. Govt should be held accountable for their actions on the people. The role of the govt is to serve the people and not the other way around. This something the people from the Chinese govt does not care about and rather views its own people as a commodity and expendable resource. No matter how much you try to put pressure on the Chinese govt they will not budge. Freedom of speech is a direct assault to their power. Every dictator and authoritative regime are absolutely scared shitless about this and will do and say anything to stop it. It's all right for other leaders of other countries to advocate freedoms but it is not right for them to force it on other nations. It's up to the Chinese people to decide if they want to keep their communist govt or not. Personally i would really like to see that oppressive govt kick the bucket, i just hope the next govt that comes in is not the same or worse as the one that precededs it. What ever decision the Chinese people make we should as members of the world, respect them for it.
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January 22, 2010 11:33:56 PM

The people working at Google are smarter than the ones working for the US government. If Google has a beef with China, they can make their own demands and decisions, because money talks, and politics have no place here.

I thought the US govt would stay out of this one.
Fine then. Stay. Out.
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January 22, 2010 11:58:17 PM

"and insinuated that China restricts Internet freedom...this runs contrary to the facts"

Saying stuff like that only works on brainwashed commies, not Americans.
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January 22, 2010 11:59:33 PM

Gov sticking it nose in where it doesn't belong whats new?
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January 23, 2010 12:01:17 AM

Politics anymore are just a sign of how bad the world is getting, 2012 really needs to get here.
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January 23, 2010 12:04:44 AM

As a R.P.C. resident living in Beijing, I can strongly feel the restriction on Internet by the gov interuption has been more and more obviously. What the gov's actions doesn't according to its announcements. But it may useless the controversy between US-China govs, I believe there is a great chasm between the two. Actually, the Constitution gives the power to our gov cannot be well controlled. And so the definition of freedom is very different with U.S. law. I once have a facebook account but now it cannot be log in unless I would live China. I don't know why someone has the authority to blocking YouTube, Twitter, etc., let alone you are a U.S. resident. Now, I am afraid about whether I can use my Gmail account tomorrow. I am afraid whether I can say on this website tomorrow. I don't know.

Oh, forgive my English.
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January 23, 2010 12:15:16 AM

I don't see anything wrong with China banning porn in their country. I can certainly understand why seeing all the immortality in the US caused by lax laws on porn and other unscrupulous activities. As for the servers being hacked, sounds like Google needs better security to me, because this fake threat to leave China is totally transparent ploy to gain some kind of concession form the Chinese government imho. If Google has a problem with laws in China it’s certainly free to pack up and go home, no one is forcing them to stay in China. What Secretary Clinton needs to be concerned with the massive trade deficit with China, and US jobs being shipped overseas. My concern is, given China’s deplorable record on human rights, why are we doing business with a communist dictator? It’s like America is afraid to stand up to China, I know we owe them a lot of money but where’s is our pride? Land of the free home of the brave and all that?
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January 23, 2010 1:01:33 AM

demonhorde665Just because walmart and other retailers are handing buisness to china it doesn't mean they "fed" us. Quite the oposite actually , in the famous words of south park ... THEY TUK ER JUBS !


Seriously? you are aware that China holds the bulk of the Trillions of debt the Usa owes. Its not simply about jobs and goods it is about the inability of the Usa to support itself now and in the future.

Razorblaze42 it isn't simply porn that is being filtered, it's about filtering news; current event's; educational sites; religous sites; libraries and many others.. It is important for someone to take a stand and if the world's lobbiest infested goverments won't then I applaud a company for doing so..

this is a cultural and idealogical issue that must be addressed in tendem to managing the national debt.
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January 23, 2010 1:28:17 AM

d-blockGet Bill Gates on the phone!


Bill Gate will say it again; If anyone wants to pirate software, please pirate Microsoft.

In another word, Bill Gate will say; please hack me more so my people can learn and my developer can do a better job to write un-hackable software.
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January 23, 2010 1:37:09 AM

can we believe anything that comes from Chairman Mao?
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January 23, 2010 1:48:46 AM

Every time a legitimate issue arises between US and China, China responds to accusations with "it's harmful to US-China relations". They skirt the real question every single time. It's starting to get irritating.

China, you won't be considered a real world power until you are held accountable to your actions.
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January 23, 2010 2:51:15 AM

doc70This is so typical of communist regimes, they lie in your face and call white as black while you look at it and see that it is white.Did not expect any other answer from them...question is, will the US accept this and look the other way, as it has done repeatedly whenever China was involved, or will take a different stance this time? I am willing to bet on the first option.


Lie in your face, is that not what Obummer and all the leftist Marxist hacks in DC been doing the whole time? Open government my arse, closed door after closed door meetings. They are a bunch on Commie wannabe union thugs, nothing more. Thank you Massachusetts' voters for waking up.
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January 23, 2010 3:18:31 AM

IzzyCrafteh it's china fault every country does a bit of hacking espionage but china does a ways too much it's starting to tick people off.

By "china" do you mean the Chinese Central Government, or some Chinese university genius who grew tired of StarCraft and decided on some crafting of his own? I am certain the CIA does more hacking than all the security agencies put together, maybe with the exception of the FSB (Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation).
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January 23, 2010 3:38:52 AM

Unfettered internet? My Hillary. Right here in America, you don't get that. How about telling the world 'no gun control'?
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January 23, 2010 3:50:06 AM

China also says lead paint promotes healthy bone growth in children.
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January 23, 2010 3:56:56 AM

back in the 90s after a Chinese fighter hit a U.S observation plane the Chinese government retaliated and hacked the white house web page. The next day U.S hackers defaced over 2500 Chinese web sites. Its not the first time the Chinese have openly used cyber warfare, and not the last. Last time the hit a target that could fight back, but the U.S and google are in a sensitive spot and can not just fire back with there own hacking barrage without risk of loosing favor with the Chinese. China is very vulnerable to the same kind of attack and would suffer greatly if there internal networks were disrupted.

Here is my source
Hansen, B. (2002, April 12). Cyber-crime
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January 23, 2010 4:32:21 AM

I agree that China needs to own up. Just because there's no bloodshed, that doesn't mean there wasn't an attack. I can already see this spiraling into a giant shitty war. YAAAY!

Maybe if people would stop sucking, the world could actually get on peacefully.
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January 23, 2010 4:33:31 AM

MrJbotback in the 90s after a Chinese fighter hit a U.S observation plane the Chinese government retaliated and hacked the white house web page. The next day U.S hackers defaced over 2500 Chinese web sites. Its not the first time the Chinese have openly used cyber warfare, and not the last. Last time the hit a target that could fight back, but the U.S and google are in a sensitive spot and can not just fire back with there own hacking barrage without risk of loosing favor with the Chinese. China is very vulnerable to the same kind of attack and would suffer greatly if there internal networks were disrupted. Here is my sourceHansen, B. (2002, April 12). Cyber-crime


So, you suggest we just let it go by? Fuck that. Disrupt there networks until they grow a brain!
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January 23, 2010 8:07:39 AM

We can only go so far. We cannot take on China in a war. Sure, we'd blow them up really good, but they'd nuke us. Not worth it over some hacking. Every Communist regime falls sooner or later. Just give them a few more decades.
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January 23, 2010 8:13:49 AM

happiChina is so rich to lend out so much money, maybe use the money to better its citizen life style?

Why should they? They have got a billion peole living like stone-age peasants whilst the CCP leaders live in obscene luxury. It's like an massive version of some African tin-pot dictatorship, except instead of Ida Amin they have Hu Jintao.
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January 23, 2010 9:33:07 AM

It wasn't that long ago that if an American company was attacked by a foreign nation, America would have taken decisive action, because you know, it was an attack on America, regardless where the attack was. Now all we say is, "Hey, look into that attack that you did" Weak, so damn weak.
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January 23, 2010 9:54:30 AM

Communism is bullshxt
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January 23, 2010 12:24:11 PM

screw china... it's a blight on the world.
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January 23, 2010 12:26:26 PM

omnimodis78By "china" do you mean the Chinese Central Government, or some Chinese university genius who grew tired of StarCraft and decided on some crafting of his own? I am certain the CIA does more hacking than all the security agencies put together, maybe with the exception of the FSB (Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation).


You got any sources to back that up? Why do you believe Russians and Americans are hacking, but not the Chinese? You say it might be some bored student (who just happened to go after dissidents and human rights activists), but are you even aware of what the Chinese government would do to an individual hacker who antagonizes trade relations with the United States without the Chinese government's approval (he'd either be executed or put in a gulag until he drops)?
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January 23, 2010 12:31:07 PM

doc70This is so typical of communist regimes, they lie in your face and call white as black while you look at it and see that it is white.Did not expect any other answer from them...question is, will the US accept this and look the other way, as it has done repeatedly whenever China was involved, or will take a different stance this time? I am willing to bet on the first option.


Were you there when it happen ? If not please b4 you want to speak again, just stfu.

you make it sound like China is the one and only place that will hack other people.

You guys are so great OMG Americans and Communist are bad blah blah blah. Hey, why don't you Americans stop BEGGING US FOR MONEY ?

Eat it bitch.
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January 23, 2010 12:32:13 PM

grovebornWe can only go so far. We cannot take on China in a war. Sure, we'd blow them up really good, but they'd nuke us. Not worth it over some hacking. Every Communist regime falls sooner or later. Just give them a few more decades.


What I do know is you fags owe the world 1.2 Trillion.

LMAO.

Lets see who falls first. bitch.
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January 23, 2010 12:34:55 PM

Forgot to mention, blow them up really good? LMAO

You guys are o-my-god-o-holy so god damn power, but you guys getting your ass woop in Middle East every freaking day. ROFL.

I think you should really check and compare the weapons between China and US before you talk again.
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January 23, 2010 1:11:42 PM

Every country/empire in the history of the world has eventually fallen apart. America and China will be the same, it will just take quite a bit of time. America is getting close though, what with all the debt and corruption. And CChick, at least America allows people to speak out against the government without getting hacked or thrown in prison.
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January 23, 2010 1:16:21 PM

um...people do you not realize that the united states is the largest consumer of chinese made goods? most of the money that we "owe" china is credit on their products. I mean honestly what are they going to do, ask for the money? Seriously now people, if the U.S. economy collapses guess what SO DOES CHINA. and by the way, china is not a rich country. get your facts straight.
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January 23, 2010 1:21:49 PM

oh and cchick, stfu. your just another brainwashed chinese. feel free to die for your country....as for the person who mentioned nuclear warfare, not going to happen. there are thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at eachother every minute of every day. the only ones who would be dumb enough to fire are Iran, Isreal and North Korea. China may be shady and full of bullshit but they are not dumb enough to end the world in flames.
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January 23, 2010 3:11:02 PM

Just answer one question, why is internet gambling illegal in US? Is it so different from porn and other stuff?

Freedom is only free when someone else is paying for it. Argue all you want, you can't deny this fact that no country offers total "Freedom" on internet or in real life.
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January 23, 2010 3:20:27 PM

When US govenment decided to monitor all phone calls, monitor sensitive words on internet, and arrest poeple that they deem "terrorists" with little evidence, all credibility is lost. All countries do this in name of security, all all poeple in the world understand and accept this. What's ironical about Americans though is that they only allow their own government to do it, or turn blind to the ations of their own government. But if other government does it... oh no, it's then evil.
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January 23, 2010 3:38:26 PM

hennnry, I think there is a difference between the U.S. arresting potential terrorists and China arresting people for peaceful resistance against the oppressive government.
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January 23, 2010 3:53:17 PM

weegee64, see if we critically examine the two situation, you will find that the difference so minimal.

Let me give you an example, many of the potential terrorists, as called in US, are just that potential. Many of them have not committed any action to the US government. And on top of that, they are arrested outside of US soil.

Now, many American think it is OK for US government to do this.

Would you for a second imagine if the Chinese government go to another country and arrest someone for potential terrorists? What would you say?

Now, about the so called peaceful resistance... first of all, what's the difference between peaceful resistance and potential terrorists to a government? No difference, not at all. Second, peacefl resistance are simply those who haven't committed any harmful action yet, can you garauntee that they would never committ any harmful action though? Of course you can't. So why is it OK for US government to commit preeptive strike and arrest poeple who MAY POTENTIALLY harm US government from other country, but it's NOT ok for the Chinese Government to do the same?

Principle on principle, would you please answer me why the same action from two countries, based on the same principle, results in such a difference in your eyes?

Thirdly, about the definition of oppressive government... I don't dispute that China is an oppressive government. But I dispute that America is not an oppresive government. Let me show you some example:
1. Why can't I legally drink after 18 but before 21? After 18, poeple can join military and die for the country but they can't drink... Is this not a law that limit my freedom and oppresive?
2. Why is it that America had conducted the highest number of invasion post WWII against other countries in the world? Why is it so OK that American Government can assert its will power against poeple of other country while government of other countries can't assert its will power against their own poeple? Isn't this somewhat hypocritical?
3. While American top officials are less crupted in the eyes of public, it was done so by way of legalizing bribes and cruption. For example, when ex-Vice President C became vice president, his ex company (the weapon company) stock went up multifolds. Now, who do you think holds a large number of stock options in that company? Who do you think influcenced the US government to give huge contracts to that company? But hey, it's all legal.
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January 23, 2010 11:54:37 PM

Ma Zhaoxu is probably right. After all, he's the spokesman of a government that was elected by their own people in a free democratic election ...
Oh wait ...
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