is the US propoganda good or bad? on one hand it lowers resistance in the countries that they are fighting. the brochures they were dropping showed Bin Laden shaving his beard off (fake picture) which make people stop following him. on the other hand, when trying to get people to believe the US they can always refer back and say "you lied to us here, how do we know you aren't lying to us now"
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We've kind of talked about this many times before. The bottom line is that all countries have propaghanda machines in place. It's designed to influence the stupid people. Since most people are stupid, it's a perfect system for manipulation and getting ones way. It doesn't matter if it's war time or not. The press is manipulating how you think and percieve the world. It's up to you to see through the facade.
Yep. People (plural) can be stupid, but a person is usually fairly intelligent.
I think you refer to those with little education or those which by upbringing and/or surroundings have been conditioned not to think before condeming. Its a real pity that the more religeous a country's population becomes, the more fervent it's people are against other cultures and religeons.
I'm kinda glad I'm not a religeous person.
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there are 2 things i have notice about religion:
1. religion is just an excuse for a war when it has nothing to do with religion at all
2. the most religios people are the dumbest/most stubborn/corrupt people. US and Canada are fairly non religious yet we are successful. South America (basically all the countries) are very religious and are all corrupt. Italy is the most religious country in the world and it is very corrupt. Arab countries heavy into Islam are societies of fanaticism.
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religion is just an excuse for a war when it has nothing to do with religion at all
Evil people have used religion as justification for war, but they have also used economics, nationalism, race, and greed. So the best you could possibly say is that sometimes some people use religion as an excuse for war. Regardless, most true followers of the major religions would denounce these "holy wars" as profoundly evil. So, as you say, religion has nothing to do with war.
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the most religios people are the dumbest/most stubborn/corrupt people. US and Canada are fairly non religious yet we are successful. South America (basically all the countries) are very religious and are all corrupt. Italy is the most religious country in the world and it is very corrupt. Arab countries heavy into Islam are societies of fanaticism.
I...see. So, you claim:
1. Religious countries are corrupt
2. Non religious countries are successful.
All right, fair enough. Let's look at some <b>really</b> easy counter-examples.
Under Stalin, religion was all but eradicated in the Soviet Union as it was seen as a threat to communist ideology. This is the same Soviet Union that killed millions of innocents, many of whom were its own people.
Under Mao's "cultural revolution", religion was stamped out in communist China. Persecution of religious groups continue today, and many see the Chinese government as one of the worst human rights offenders in the world.
Claiming that the US is both "non religious" and "successful" is a pretty bold claim. Ignoring the millions of Americans that would both identify themselves as a particular denomination as well as the fundamentalist Christian influence in our current government, you'd have to claim that the US is somehow "better" than the countries that you claim are religious. Are we richer? Yes. Are we more powerful? Yes. Is there less corruption in our society? I doubt it.
Lots of people don't like religion. That's fine. But somehow, it has become OK, even popular, to attack the religious.
This infuriates me. Saying that "religios[sic] people are the dumbest/most stubborn/corrupt" people is no different from making an ethnic slur.
Stop trying to pass off your prejudice as truth.
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let me ask you this then. in schools in Canada or US, is religion manditory? does the church play a HUGE roll in society? does the priest have the status of a mayer almost?
you said Canada and US are just as corrupt. yes they are very corrupt but not as corrupt. the Canadian and US government don't use the church as a scare tactic into making people follow you as it is in South America and a bit in Italy. in those super religious countries the people still accept the idea of 'Divine Right of Kings' in which the leader if given approval of the church is almost at the status of a higher power and you should not question it.
did Stalin really try to get rid of religion? i honestly didn't know that but i think that is strange. Christianity and communism are sort of similar, give money to the poor, rich people are going to hell and so on.
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I won't be exposing my kids to relgion. I'm disgusted by what it has brought us
Well, I agree with you...I´m not a religious person either.
But I do think that we have religion to thank for much (and equally much to blame), I don´t think humanity would have come this far without any kind of religion that gathers the masses and binds us together to form a "higher" society.
Of course not. But it would be naive to ignore the large societal role religion plays in at least the US. I'm not from Canada, so I can't answer for them.
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in those super religious countries the people still accept the idea of 'Divine Right of Kings' in which the leader if given approval of the church is almost at the status of a higher power and you should not question it.
This is an interesting point. However - this is a criticism of religious institutions (i.e. "the Church" ) and as such doesn't apply to a religion.
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id Stalin really try to get rid of religion? i honestly didn't know that but i think that is strange. Christianity and communism are sort of similar, give money to the poor, rich people are going to hell and so on.
Stalin did all he could to eradicate religion, and for the most part succeeded. Catholic persecution was enormous, as was persecution of the eastern orthodox churches. Jews also faced terrible persecution under the communist regimes.
And Stalin wasn't really a communist. He a was a deranged lunatic autocrat.
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