tk punish...grrr...Now with 33% extra rant!

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So, I've just died, and I hear the order for my squad to go over to
defence. So I spawn at the defence location as an engineer, and start
to lay mines around access points to the flag... Hmm, this will stop
those pesky jeeps zooming in and taking the flag I think to myself....

So I'm nicely hidden away waiting for things to happen, when a retard
spawns in, jumps into a jeep and zooms straight towards the
flag....KABOOM! tk punish me #1. Then an APC comes whizzing in to
camp, decides it wants to turn around and DOUBLE KABOOM! driver and
passenger tk punish me. Hey I'm still on defence and theres an ammo
crate here, so I load up on mines and start to defend the flag again.
I just get myself hidden again, when an enemy tank rolls into base -
KABOOM! Whoo-hoo I actually killed an enemy with a mine, and I get a
bonus flag defend point! Then another of our jeeps comes racing into
town, rolls up to the flag and misses my mines (goddam tank left a
gap), so the driver decides to do a nifty three point turn to ensure
that he clips one of my mines - KABOOM, yet another tk punish (in fact
I think he's got a passenger too, but it's hard to tell how many idiots
have killed themselves, when limbs are flying everywhere). So here I
am, my OK positive score suddently negative in the space of 2 minutes.
I'm starting to feel a little annoyed now, so I have a choice... do I
give up with the mines and just hang around waiting for the enemy
attack, or do I defend the flag with the best tools available? OK, I
think I've killed most of the 'tards on my own team, so I decide to try
the mines again. I could type out the events that followed, but It's
just more of the same.

Punish TK is both a curse and a blessing. I see very little TK on
public servers, so it seems to be stopping that. BUT, it's also
totally destroyed the tactical use of mines. Mines are incredibly
useful to help defend flags, but who cares about the team objective of
defending a flag when some idiot will drive over a mine and blame you?

I'm colour-blind and find the red symbols difficult to see in some
circumstances, but these mines could easily be seen! There is no
excuse for killing yourself on mines - how much clearer could EA have
made it? I accept that accidents happen, but why punish the engineer
for some other idiots lack of attention?

So, my solution to this problem is very simple....make the punish tk
more difficult to do. At the moment if you are TK'ed, all that you
have to do is press one of a choice of 2 keys (sometimes I feel that
it's a choice of 1 key grrr). So instead, remove the automatic "do you
want to punish this player" dialogue, and make the TK'ed player have to
select a specific punish button from the control screen (the one you go
to to change kit and spawnpoint). That way it's more effort to punish
someone, yet you can still punish valid TKers.

Just for the record, I finished the round with something like -16 and
server kick as well.

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"tangerine_sedge" <tangerine_sedge@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm colour-blind and find the red symbols difficult to see in some
> circumstances, but these mines could easily be seen!

Even worse, the symbols for AT-mines, Claymores and C4 are identical.
You'd have to decide really fast wether that area is being defended by
engineer, sniper or SpecOps to know wether it's safe to
walk/drive/whatever.

Juergen Nieveler
--
Bureaucrats cut red tape, lengthwise

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"tangerine_sedge" <tangerine_sedge@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Punish TK is both a curse and a blessing. I see very little TK on
> public servers, so it seems to be stopping that. BUT, it's also
> totally destroyed the tactical use of mines. Mines are incredibly
> useful to help defend flags, but who cares about the team objective of
> defending a flag when some idiot will drive over a mine and blame you?

It's my hope that mine and claymore TK's get registered as normal suicides
with the patch. Artillery would be another good candidate. If you can't pay
attention to the icon on the map, you deserve evolutionary pay-back.

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Achtung Ecco wrote:
> RobertJM wrote:

>> Agree, should be easy enough to cancel tk punishment for mine kills,
>> and symbols for C4 and claymores are simply not needed.
>
> Not needed for Claymores!? Surely you jest Herr Nieveler? (I sometimes
> manage even to set off my own claymores).

Correction: RobertJM.

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"tangerine_sedge" <tangerine_sedge@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Punish TK is both a curse and a blessing. I see very little TK on
> public servers, so it seems to be stopping that.

To judge from our kick/ban log, my teammates see an awful lot of it on our
server.

I've only been deliberately TK'd a couple of times, and never got the
chance to punish him after confirming it. I forgive by default and only
punish the obvious repeat offenders.

I like being notified of the TK, but I'd rather see the punish require
console action, as the average gamer can't type worth a damn.

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ScratchMonkey wrote:
> "tangerine_sedge" <tangerine_sedge@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1124787554.639812.240000@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>Punish TK is both a curse and a blessing. I see very little TK on
>>public servers, so it seems to be stopping that.
>
>
> To judge from our kick/ban log, my teammates see an awful lot of it on our
> server.
>
> I've only been deliberately TK'd a couple of times, and never got the
> chance to punish him after confirming it. I forgive by default and only
> punish the obvious repeat offenders.
>
> I like being notified of the TK, but I'd rather see the punish require
> console action, as the average gamer can't type worth a damn.

The only thing I TK punish for is being run over at the spawn by over
eager drivers. It should take a few seconds s
to start a vehical. I mean you can't jump in your car and drive
instantly... it would give people time to mount up. Also I don't like
the tanks, how come the driver can fire the weapons??? In JO you need a
tank driver and a gunner to operate the tank properly, anyway I digress
TK's and the punishments for defense mines, next time type up a message
on screen warning your team that they are there?? maybe lots of times!!

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Changing so two people min required for a tank would be a great
improvement for on-line play. Team tactics and squad play seem to have
largely disappeard. It's more and more like MOHAA on-line everyday....

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"TSS. Pendragon" <pendragon@tssclan.co.uk> wrote in news:ysNOe.119$hR5.67
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> The only thing I TK punish for is being run over at the spawn by over
> eager drivers. It should take a few seconds s
> to start a vehical. I mean you can't jump in your car and drive
> instantly... it would give people time to mount up.

The objection to people driving away without passengers is justified. But
I've accidentally killed folk who rush in front of me or brush the side of
the vehicle. I have to mince out of a spawn area to avoid all the lemmings
who pay no attention to the situation around them. (And I've been known to
run in front of vehicles and get killed, but I don't punish for that, as I
know it's my fault.)

> TK's and the punishments for defense mines, next time type up a message
> on screen warning your team that they are there?? maybe lots of times!!

Yeah, one has lots of time to type messages that won't be read when you
know the enemy is about to come rushing into the base. Esp. ones that tell
your team which base and which entrance has the mines, right? It'd take a
novel to explain that, and no one would read it anyway. Far simpler to pay
attention to where you're going. If you're driving so wrecklessly that you
can't see friendly mines (which I always place on the friendly side of a
blind approach), how are you going to see the enemy ones that lack the red
warning marker?

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"Juergen Nieveler" <juergen.nieveler.nospam@arcor.de> wrote in message
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> "tangerine_sedge" <tangerine_sedge@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm colour-blind and find the red symbols difficult to see in some
>> circumstances, but these mines could easily be seen!
>
> Even worse, the symbols for AT-mines, Claymores and C4 are identical.
> You'd have to decide really fast wether that area is being defended by
> engineer, sniper or SpecOps to know wether it's safe to
> walk/drive/whatever.

Lack of icon difference doesn't bother me too much since I don't like to
drive or walk over friendly C4 either. I've seen too many Spec Ops guys use
the 'make loud boom first, ask questions later' tactic.

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<justin.seiferth@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Changing so two people min required for a tank would be a great
> improvement for on-line play.

I'm game, as long as it's *you* riding shotgun.

> Team tactics and squad play seem to have
> largely disappeard. It's more and more like MOHAA on-line everyday....

Yes, I've noticed the same decline. Seemed to be much more when the game
first came out. Very rare now. Lots and lots of squads (I'm so sick of
seeing the "Maximum squads reached" message. Why do I need to be told
everytime some bozo tries to create anothe squad?). But the squads are
often just one, maybe two players (meaning the guy created a squad just so
he can call in supplies or arty). And most of the larger squads are people
spread out all over the map not acting like a squad at all. Very sad because
being in a squad that actually *acts* as a squad is very fun (and
point-rewarding, too, since they tend to kick butt).

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"tangerine_sedge" <tangerine_sedge@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1124787554.639812.240000@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> So, I've just died, and I hear the order for my squad to go over to
> defence. So I spawn at the defence location as an engineer, and start
> to lay mines around access points to the flag... Hmm, this will stop
> those pesky jeeps zooming in and taking the flag I think to myself....
>
> So I'm nicely hidden away waiting for things to happen, when a retard
> spawns in, jumps into a jeep and zooms straight towards the
> flag....KABOOM! tk punish me #1. Then an APC comes whizzing in to
> camp, decides it wants to turn around and DOUBLE KABOOM! driver and
> passenger tk punish me.

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> "tangerine_sedge" <tangerine_sedge@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>
>> So, I've just died, and I hear the order for my squad to go over to
>> defence. So I spawn at the defence location as an engineer, and start
>> to lay mines around access points to the flag... Hmm, this will stop
>> those pesky jeeps zooming in and taking the flag I think to myself....
>>
>> So I'm nicely hidden away waiting for things to happen, when a retard
>> spawns in, jumps into a jeep and zooms straight towards the
>> flag....KABOOM! tk punish me #1. Then an APC comes whizzing in to
>> camp, decides it wants to turn around and DOUBLE KABOOM! driver and
>> passenger tk punish me.
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LOL !! Brilliant !

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