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Comparation of the Xbox 360 and PS3 wich is the TRUE BEAST




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Well let's start with the Microsoft Xbox 360:

Some people don't like the way it looks but I don't care I only care for the hardware.

The 360 uses a next generation card from Ati from a new R600 family with DX10 and DX 9 this GPU is named Xenos and it has 48 pixel shaders and a 500 mhz core speed with 512 mb of shared ram and is able to use up to 4xAA and only takes 3% loss this is very low compared to any other GPU that losses 25% so this GPU is GREAT!!( the game programer chooses how much ram goes to the CPU or GPU).

For the CPU the 360 has 3 cores each rated at 3.2 Ghz with 2 threads per core resulting in 6 threads. This CPU will get shrink to 64 nm in 2007 but it will not be more faster it will only cut the price of the console and lower a few degrees generated.
NOTE what may the noise in my case is the DVD Drive

Physics the 360 is able to have physics but the programer has to chose the level of physics that will happen in the game. The physics will be seen in almost all the games(some games that have arrived have some physics) that arrived in Nobember and up>.

Audio the audio has 320 independent compression channels. Using a technique called XMA compression allows the 360 audio to get a compression ratio of 16: 1 on low side and up to 14: 1 on the high side.The 360 uses 32 bit processing power for the Audio this is great audio

Artificial intelligence thia AI creates NPC(non player characters) this gives more thinking power to your rivals and allies as seen in Gears of War. The more the NPC the merrier because they interact with each other by following simples A.I rules the why the more the merrier? because you can create some nice city with NPC that behave like human(this sentence is in a programer point of view and gamers as well)

Internet the 360 has Xbox Live this is the best internet for gaming compared to Sony's (I have tried Sony and it's so frustrating to play games compared to Xbox Live)

Games well all the games are froms sports and some other are not good but when the PS3 arrives in November Microsoft will be launching some very nice games (I hate marketing strategy why they don't launch some good games now!!)

Sony PS3

This thing is the best looking next generation console I had seen it's extremely beatiful!!!(on the outside)

The PS3 uses a GPU called Reality Synthesizer wich means that it is a 7900GTX but underclocked at 550mhz with 256 mb of dedicated ram (still don't know too much about the GPU of this system)

The CPU code named Cell has a speed of 3.2GHz that consists of a single PowerPC-based core with seven synergestic processing units.

The physics are the same that AGEIA established in their futures like simulation of fluids etcetera etcetera

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Internet Sony have free internet acces but is very lame compared to the Xbox Live

Games there are some good games coming but Sony will have to catch up with Microsoft

Well that's all folks I will be updating this post as I find more information.If someone has more info well post it so I can add it and please I want this post oriented only in the hardware and games of the PS3 and 360(Don't talk of wich one will kicks other ass until there is a final conclusion with a comparation of the specs).

1.Let' make another section WHAT I HATE MOST OF THE PS3:

2.The motion sensitive controller that is a water down version of the Wii.

3.The PS3 logo in the middle of the controller that has the same function of the 360 controller X logo botton

4.The super crap of their internet service that was going to be free but they didn't say that it was with some games!!!!!

My partial conclusion is that 360 could win the battle I love Sony but I had to many bad experiences with them but I stilll hope something happens.But well is Microsoft fault that my PS2 is gathering dust right now Microsoft is the best and the specs of the system seems to be great and MS uses modified pc parts in there 360 while Sony's uses parts that in my case killed my PS2 that every time had a different problem. But I will remain neutral and the 360 looks that can bring a hell of a fight to the PS3.

Well I'm changing my conclusion I will say that the 360 will be very hard to to beat for Sony that rigth now makes me angry by using a copy of their competitors idea's

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Umm... the 7900GTX has virtually the same architecture as the 7800GTX. It was just a die shrink and a mhz bump.

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the 360's gpu is not a scaled down r580. it is based of the same archecture as ATi's upcoming r600 directx 10 gpu. Xenos has a specialized API that is a combination of directx 9 and 10, plus individualized instructions that are not implimented on any other gpu. Xenos is a 48 shader gpu, but that does not explain it completely. Xenos borrows its shaders from dx 10. the unified shader scheme it uses allows its shaders to process vertex and pixel information interchangably. this allows xenos to remain at 90%+ efficiency when processing data. compare that to the average desktop gpu which may at most average 65-70% efficiency, and you can see this in no scaled down 1900. along with that Xenos had 10MB smart-DRAM integrated on chip. this daughter die does all AA calculatons, providing up to 4xAA at not more that 3% fps loss. any contentional chip will take at least a 25% fps loss when 4xAA is applied.

RSX is not a poor gpu. it is a downclocked 7900 gtx, with TurboCache added, along with southbridge funtionality as well. It would compete admiralably with any high end gpu on the market now. However Xenos cant be compared to any current PC gpu. Xenos simply out classes RSX, not with brute strength, but with superior efficiency.

BTW were you serious about:

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This thing is the best looking next generation console I had seen it's extremely beatiful!!!



Do you mean physically or technologically? I dont see either aspect as particularly tasteful.

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Got the 360 and it's pretty good but I'll wait and see what the PS3 can do when it would finally hit the shelves and get some reviews. I have no doubt the PS3 has some tricks for what it is cost which is $100 more than a 360 it better be. :wink:

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Actually I believe the XBox 360 GPU is derived from the X1800 rather than 1900.

I believe that the games will look identical on both systems. Their graphics capabilities are basically equal, although the 360 seems to be better-suited to the contemporary titles because of its hugely superior integer power.

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ummm the ps3 doesnt have a scaled down 7900gtx. its actually the equivelant of 2 6800 uytras. which get pwnd by the gtx. and the 360 im not sure but for which one im getting impretty sure its all 3. i have 900 saved up, guess ill ebay the first ones i get. and when i say all three yes, i mean the wii,360,ps3 :D

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Actually I believe the XBox 360 GPU is derived from the X1800 rather than 1900



Xenos it is not x1k based. 1800 or 1900. the unfied shaders alone tell you that.

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ummm the ps3 doesnt have a scaled down 7900gtx. its actually the equivelant of 2 6800 uytras. which get pwnd by the gtx



when the CEO at nVidia said it is the "equivalent" of 2 6800's he didnt mean it was literally 2 6800's. he meant the performance was comparable with that. RSX IS a G71 based gpu. the equivalent of a GTX downclocked from 650mhz to 550mhz.

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if your looking at hardware stats alone then the ps3
but personally i would rather have a snes then a ps3 any day of the week
overpriced piece of kit in my opinion

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I meant that the PS3 is good looking on the outside. It looks good in silver but this color will not be avaible is U.S.A :( THE ONLY THING I HATE FROM THIS CASE ARE THE HUGE VENTS I heard that the parts will burn without the huge vents I think if it's like that I could make some nice BBK in my backyard with no gas or coal that would be nice :!:

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I think the price may be by the blu-ray or CPU even both (I think)

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on a side note i love how the wii looks!

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I would buy the 360 then the Wii it would be cool playing a Metroid game using the new controller of the Wii. But I like the name Revolution instead of Wii. Does somebody knows why they change the name?

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OKAY , if people buy a PS3 to watch blu-ray they will buy the 60GB model one because its the only model to have an HDMI port. Now Sony exes say $599USD :? but what about the rest of the world :?

UK $802USD
AUSTRALIA , EUROPE $754USD
USA/CANADA $599USD
JAPAN OPEN PRICE $1000 ++ AT LAUNCH

Now sony is making sure that PS3 has HDMI 1.3 port but at what expense :?

No more 3.2GHz Cell processor .. its now 2.8Ghz
GPU clock speed has been reduced
GPU ram clock speed has been reduced
GPU pipeline has been reduced
External 400PSU (even bigger than xbox 360 power brick)
core logic bridge is out but now intergated into RSX
No more Rumble because of court case

What about the online plan :? Sony screw up squad has very good plans to milk as much money as possible by :
-Selling Ships and add on for games like Warhack for $3.00ish each on PS3 online hub. these weapon and ship and extra stuff would have been in the game if sony didn't intent to sell them :!!
-Selling MUSIC from PS3 Supper star crap


Virus possible :) damn yes because Sony thought it would be supper awesome to make sure Blu-ray GUI would be codded in java but not xml because xml. now you put a blu-ray disk in the drive and it will run java code ... now guess what that leads too

Is Bluray even worth it... wait they are using Mepg2 not VLC or MPEG 4 because current dual layer BD media is limited to 25GB because of cost of production. While HD-DVD is already using Dual Layer disk 30GB and its using a much better codec VLC. Does Blu-ray Movies beat HD-DVD in Image quality ... not according to most review i read.

Ahh i could go on how Sony is planning to screwing the consumer over with PS3!!!

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lol why all the people that choose the xbox must be american :lol:

i think ps3 will win big time. because sony delivers good quality consoles. even my ps2 controller was water proof i found out :lol:

and the ps3 will have more features and better graphics and because of the blu-ray the games will be better simply because the blu-ray disc can store more files then a dvd.

But well its maybe because im from europe :lol:

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btw panther_v the cell processor will be 3,2ghz ive read. it was on tweakers.net a week ago that sony says it will just have the 3,2ghz

But if the ps3 will lose on his size... then i dont know what people want