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May 31, 2002 1:53:41 AM

Looking for a good mobo, single processor (leaning toward AMD XP or better) DDR ram, and onboard RAID. Definatly need the raid for file integrity safety. Cost is a factor, but not the main limiter. Any suggestions?

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a b V Motherboard
May 31, 2002 3:44:04 AM

You may consider the SOYO Dragon Plus, Onboard 5.1 Surround Sound, Onboard LAN, Onboard Promise RAID, which any or all the features can be disabled in the CMOS settings, Runs DDR RAM, RAID can be set in security or performance mode, one RAID note to run in security mode dual matching hardrives are required, you can run 4 as two pairs but you're running into some serious bucks at that point. Hardrives are ATA 100 and Ultra DMA compatable. I,m very pleased with my Dragon and it does come with a chipset cooling fan.
May 31, 2002 4:08:07 AM

Well, as for the hard drives, I am looking for drives that run at least 10,000 rpm. So the big bucks in the storage department isnt the big issue. The main issue is networking and storage. I have heard good things about soyo, but never worked with one. What CPU set and chipset is that?

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May 31, 2002 6:52:30 AM

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drives that run at least 10,000 rpm

onboard RAID will do you no good. The only 10,000 RPM drives are SCSI.

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May 31, 2002 11:51:10 AM

So I am guessing I could get a SCSI RAID card? Or would the performance drop be very noticeable on 7200 rpm drives?

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May 31, 2002 12:03:17 PM

it's generally accepted that serious file servers use SCSI RAID, not the cheap IDE RAID controllers built in to motherboards.

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May 31, 2002 12:06:37 PM

Well the use of this file server is for buisness, but it will only be for about 12 people.

As for RAID, I have never used it before, so I am not familiar with it at all.

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May 31, 2002 12:23:43 PM

go with an <A HREF="http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/prodtechindex...." target="_new">Adaptec RAID controller.</A> SCSI is really not any harder than IDE. Instead of setting Master/Slave you set ID 0 -> 7 with jumpers. Some devices will even auto config their ID. Then all the RAID config would be done via the controller, same as the IDE RAID controller. Nothing to it.

Also, be sure to get a tape drive and do backups religiously. If you go SCSI, there are many nice SCSI tape drives (DLT4, high capacity and FAST).

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a b V Motherboard
June 1, 2002 5:56:58 AM

The most reliable chipsets say Intel on them. And a file server doesn't need a lot of CPU speed. I suggest buying a refurbished IBM or DELL PIII or XEON workstation, and adding a RAID controller.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
June 3, 2002 2:44:12 AM

I like the performance you can get with SCSI, but the smaller size of the drives seams to be a problem. Looking at IBM's website (I like IBM's drives over most other manufacturers) I am seeing the max of 36Gb of storage space, where as a 7200 ATA/100 drives go up into the 120Gb and above range. And the 36Gb drives are a bit much. As I said before, price is not the biggest factor, but we are trying to decide if it is more cost effective to build a file server or buy a refurbished Dell or Compaq one. I am more in favor of building one, but it is my job to find a more cost effective means of doing so.

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June 3, 2002 2:47:33 AM

I was thinking of going Intel on this one, but I am debating on going with a dual AMP set, or a 2100XP. Im just more fond of AMD than Intel. I have an Intel Board with a PIII here at home, and it is stable, but it never gets really pushed other than with UD.

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a b V Motherboard
June 3, 2002 4:15:23 AM

Use that for a file server. Seriously, just add more drives, maybe a drive interface such as a RAID card. d00d, you don't NEED dual processors for a file server, or even a very FAST CPU, all you NEED is good hard drives, a good drive interface, and a good connection!

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
June 3, 2002 7:06:33 AM

MSI KT3 Ultra ARU $109
WD 120 GB Caviar(8 MB Cache) $194
WD 120 GB Caviar(8 MB Cache) $194
AMD Athlon XP 2100+ OEM $190
Thermaltake Volcano 7+ $49
ATi Radeon 8500 64 MB $160
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz $59
56K Modem (USR v.90) $40
3Com 10/100 $35
Teac Floppy $9
512 MB PC2100 DDR $128
Pioneer 16x DVD $43

Total--$1210 US
All prices courtesy of Newegg.com

MSI board--own it myself, very fast and reliable
WD HDD--Fast, reliable, BIG, BIG cache
AXP--price/perf. King(no OC)
Fan--Personal favorite
Radeon-Fast, cheap, full DX 8.x(who says you can't
play Dungeon Siege at work?)
SC--Another personal fav.
Modem--if necessary
NIC-good, reliable card
DVD--Drive is excellent, price is good

Pick your own case. I never reccomend due t varying tastes and requirements. Add CD-RW/DVD-R(RW/RAM) or what have you as needed. If desired, you can use onboard sound.


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June 3, 2002 11:31:26 AM

I will definatly keep that in mind. But I would like to go with a newer board and CPU, just to keep the system curent, and more upgradeable.

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June 3, 2002 11:36:56 AM

nice system, but a little overkill on some parts (dont need a Radeon for a server, can play that stuff at home on my system). Although the WD drives look mighty nice. And the CPU can be the boxed version, the few extra bucks is good for the 3 year warantee, and they come with a heatsink (that and I have 2 xtra at hame rated for XP 1800 and up). I may present those stats to a friend who wants a new system and was looking towards me building it. Thanks!

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June 3, 2002 12:57:07 PM

I recommond Asus A7V266-E. I have good experience with it. I have been using it for a few month. It is very stable.
a b V Motherboard
June 4, 2002 1:52:28 AM

d00d, that's just plain silly. An old Pentium Pro 200 would do the task just fine, by using the PIII system, you're already overkill. All you need is a really good hard drive interface and a really good network interface, the rest of the system is simply there to make those two parts work.
If you want the drive interface to work even better, you can use a 64-bit PCI card, but then that requires a server board. You could easily pick up an old Xeon system with such a slot for only $500. Complete, except for drives.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
June 4, 2002 3:07:17 AM

well what do u expect?
faster spinning drive = less data density due to inreased spacing between bits required for integrity.

if you head on over to <A HREF="http://www.storagereview.com" target="_new">http://www.storagereview.com&lt;/A> u can see that seagate is planning on releasing a new range of SCSI drives.... big mothers too!
up to 142Gb in 10k rpm or 73Gb in 15k rpm.
within 2 months.

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June 4, 2002 3:38:42 AM

Well, found a guy at work that has another 450 P# sitting at home, just going to replace the drives and PSU (its only a 150 watt) So we can give that a go till we need to run apps off of a server, then we can upgrade the mobo and cpu.

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a b V Motherboard
June 4, 2002 5:39:04 AM

Yep, it will serv the files at 133MB/s just like a new system would (that's the limit of a 32-bit PCI slot). Funny thing that you do actually need a dual processor board to get 64-bit PCI slots, but you don't actually need to use two processors in a file server.
The only reason I recommended an old PIII or Xeon system is that the BX and GX chipsets were the most reliable.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
June 4, 2002 6:30:09 AM

Yeah, its definately overkill, but in a few years, it will still be respectable, and is highly upgradable(T-bred~Barton). Yes, the BX boards are a bit more stable, bit if you ask me, this particular MSI board is rock solid.

No, you don't need a Radeon. I just reccomended it for its full DX 8.x support and I expect it will support Longhorn a bit better than an MX or 7500...

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a b V Motherboard
June 4, 2002 8:05:22 AM

A radeon for a file server? Most file servers either use integrated video or a PCI video card! Heck, DirectX isn't even needed for a file server!

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
June 4, 2002 11:38:13 AM

Gotcha. But, would a ddr board help with its increased FSB? Or does that not have any impact?

Also, do you know of any good PCI raid controllers (we have decided to go with IDE drives, WD 120 GB w/ 8Mb cashe)?

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a b V Motherboard
June 4, 2002 7:53:28 PM

The are quite a few nice PCI IDE RAID controllers out there, some are software based and others hardware based, hardware based being far better. Someone pointed to a comparison review of a few of these a few weeks ago, I'm sure someone will provide a link.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
June 5, 2002 3:24:08 AM

Just checked out Tom's review on IDE raid controllers. Nice and informative. So I have made a decision:

Old NEC 450 P3 System: Free (boss's ols system)

2 WESTERN DIGITAL "SPECIAL EDITION" 120GB 7200RPM EIDE HARD DRIVE (8Mb cashe :smile: )

1 HighPoint Controller Card RocketRaid133

1 Intel PRO/100 S NIC

1 Antec ATX12V 350 Watt Power Supply (So never a problem with more drives. And our building's power sucks)

All from Newegg for $550 with shipping. Not bad concidering they were going to spend $1600 on a used one. Now I can get them to update some of these old vid cards (REALLY Old 8mb ones for graphic designers to use. Hell, they arent even name brand, just PCI Video card on the box), and get some more RAM on these systems.

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a b V Motherboard
June 5, 2002 4:10:10 AM

OK, just don't waste a good video card on a file server.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
June 5, 2002 11:52:37 AM

Dont worry, Its probably going to be 4MB or less...

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June 6, 2002 5:04:48 PM

Abit KR7A-133R
AMD Athlon XP2000
Thermalright SK6 HS/Fan
Corsair 1GB PC2400
5xMaxtor D740X 7200rpm 80GB ATA 133 HDDs(1 for OS+Apps, 4 = RAID 0+1)
60GB Onstream Tape Backup
Enermax 550w PSU
Enermax 11 Bay Server Case
Sony CDROM
Sony Floppy
3COM NIC
Creative Modem Blaster
Gainward GF2 MX200 32MB (Can save a few bucks here, but for $50 whatever)
17" Elements Monitor
Generic KBB + Mouse
APC Smart UPS
Windows 2000 Advanced Server w/30 Users (You could save $2000 by using Professional, but you have the 10 user issue, which is no big deal if you simply use UNC desktop shortcuts, and no native Appletalk support if you need it, just to name a few common issues. If you are familiar with Linux/Samba you can save that much more. I was unable to sell corporate on this, so they overpaid but oh well, heh)

Total: $4800 (Hardware $2800)

Been up and running with no reboots for a month and a week. As solid a File Server as you can build for the price. The mobo is great, the higpoint controller is great, and the HDDs are fast as hell. Great machine.
June 6, 2002 6:12:29 PM

I'm running a Gigabyte 7DXR+ with Athlon XP 1600+, 512MB Crucial PC2100 DDR, 2x Maxtor D740X on the onboard Promise controller as RAID1, Ricoh CDRW, 3Com NICs, Matrox video (not that it gets used a whole lot), KingMax UPS. Enermax Case and PSU, digital KVM switch (but most admin is done remotely via ssh). Uses the AMD 761 chipset which seems pretty solid. It's operating as a {database|file|email|you-name-it} server and it's running 100% sweet. Other systems will work fine too, but that's one setup that works for me...

As Crashman says, you don't need that kind of HP for simple fileserving. Any Pentium class amchine with a decent disk, NIC, and sensible amount of RAM for cache will do it just fine. Running Linix or *BSD on it is nice too, as it cuts down on resource requirements (and cost).

71 days so far on that box running Linux (it's been up since installation).

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