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Anonymous
May 14, 2004 2:32:39 PM

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Hi,

My Windows XP defragmenter is having serious trouble defragmenting my
files - total fragmentation stands at about 55% no matter what I do.

Someone mentioned a freeware defragmenter that's more effective. I'm not
particularly technical when it comes to computers, so not having to specifiy
things to do with buffers and partitions would be great. Can anyone
recommend a program? Or a way to make Windows Defrag work better?

Thanks in advance!

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Anonymous
May 14, 2004 5:57:52 PM

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Tom;

Have you ever successfully defragged your machine? Have you had it for a
while? Maybe it's badly fragmented. It may need to run for a long time.
Try running it over night to give it time to work.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In news:p e1pc.56$ui5.16@newsfe1-win,
Poor Tom <aabb.ccdd@ntlworldnospam.com> hunted and pecked:
> Hi,
>
> My Windows XP defragmenter is having serious trouble defragmenting my
> files - total fragmentation stands at about 55% no matter what I do.
>
> Someone mentioned a freeware defragmenter that's more effective. I'm
> not particularly technical when it comes to computers, so not having
> to specifiy things to do with buffers and partitions would be great.
> Can anyone recommend a program? Or a way to make Windows Defrag work
> better?
>
> Thanks in advance!
Anonymous
May 14, 2004 8:15:36 PM

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Yep, has been defragmented completely before (or more or less so - the
sketch of my hard drive in Defragmenter didn't look like a kaleidoscope).
Everytime I run defrag I let it run completely.

Any tips on defrag programs?

Thanks!

"Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Af4pc.9793$6f5.801993@attbi_s54...
> Tom;
>
> Have you ever successfully defragged your machine? Have you had it for a
> while? Maybe it's badly fragmented. It may need to run for a long time.
> Try running it over night to give it time to work.
>
> --
> Hope this helps. Let us know.
> Wes
>
> In news:p e1pc.56$ui5.16@newsfe1-win,
> Poor Tom <aabb.ccdd@ntlworldnospam.com> hunted and pecked:
> > Hi,
> >
> > My Windows XP defragmenter is having serious trouble defragmenting my
> > files - total fragmentation stands at about 55% no matter what I do.
> >
> > Someone mentioned a freeware defragmenter that's more effective. I'm
> > not particularly technical when it comes to computers, so not having
> > to specifiy things to do with buffers and partitions would be great.
> > Can anyone recommend a program? Or a way to make Windows Defrag work
> > better?
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
>
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Anonymous
May 14, 2004 8:15:37 PM

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Sorry Tom. I use XP's defrag and know nothing about any others.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In news:Tf6pc.78$Kt.75@newsfe3-win.server.ntli.net,
Poor Tom <aabb.ccdd@ntlworldnospam.com> hunted and pecked:
> Yep, has been defragmented completely before (or more or less so - the
> sketch of my hard drive in Defragmenter didn't look like a
> kaleidoscope). Everytime I run defrag I let it run completely.
>
> Any tips on defrag programs?
>
> Thanks!
>
> "Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Af4pc.9793$6f5.801993@attbi_s54...
>> Tom;
>>
>> Have you ever successfully defragged your machine? Have you had it
>> for a while? Maybe it's badly fragmented. It may need to run for a
>> long time. Try running it over night to give it time to work.
>>
>> --
>> Hope this helps. Let us know.
>> Wes
>>
>> In news:p e1pc.56$ui5.16@newsfe1-win,
>> Poor Tom <aabb.ccdd@ntlworldnospam.com> hunted and pecked:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> My Windows XP defragmenter is having serious trouble defragmenting
>>> my files - total fragmentation stands at about 55% no matter what I
>>> do.
>>>
>>> Someone mentioned a freeware defragmenter that's more effective. I'm
>>> not particularly technical when it comes to computers, so not having
>>> to specifiy things to do with buffers and partitions would be great.
>>> Can anyone recommend a program? Or a way to make Windows Defrag work
>>> better?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
Anonymous
May 15, 2004 2:41:38 AM

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How much free space is thereon the drive / partition you are trying to defragment? You need a minimum of 15%. If there are large files you can 20%+.

If you have Outlook Express files on the drive it can help to compact in Outlook Express before running Outlook Express. You might also run Disk Cleanup before running Disk Defragmenter.

How large is the hard drive / partition? Is it formatted as FAT32 or NTFS?

--

~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
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"Poor Tom" <aabb.ccdd@ntlworldnospam.com> wrote in message news:Tf6pc.78$Kt.75@newsfe3-win.server.ntli.net...
> Yep, has been defragmented completely before (or more or less so - the
> sketch of my hard drive in Defragmenter didn't look like a kaleidoscope).
> Everytime I run defrag I let it run completely.
>
> Any tips on defrag programs?
>
> Thanks!
>
> "Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Af4pc.9793$6f5.801993@attbi_s54...
> > Tom;
> >
> > Have you ever successfully defragged your machine? Have you had it for a
> > while? Maybe it's badly fragmented. It may need to run for a long time.
> > Try running it over night to give it time to work.
> >
> > --
> > Hope this helps. Let us know.
> > Wes
> >
> > In news:p e1pc.56$ui5.16@newsfe1-win,
> > Poor Tom <aabb.ccdd@ntlworldnospam.com> hunted and pecked:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > My Windows XP defragmenter is having serious trouble defragmenting my
> > > files - total fragmentation stands at about 55% no matter what I do.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned a freeware defragmenter that's more effective. I'm
> > > not particularly technical when it comes to computers, so not having
> > > to specifiy things to do with buffers and partitions would be great.
> > > Can anyone recommend a program? Or a way to make Windows Defrag work
> > > better?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!
> >
>
>
Anonymous
May 15, 2004 12:16:39 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

Hi Gerry, thanks for replying.

I always run with at least 15%. The files causing the defragmentation are
music and Indexing Service files - does this still affect how well the PC
performs? Would freeing up to 20% matter? Free space is also severely
fragmented by the looks of things.

I'll try compacting in OE and running Cleanup as well.


"Gerry Cornell" <gcjc@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:o GLWCxfOEHA.1392@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
How much free space is thereon the drive / partition you are trying to
defragment? You need a minimum of 15%. If there are large files you can
20%+.

If you have Outlook Express files on the drive it can help to compact in
Outlook Express before running Outlook Express. You might also run Disk
Cleanup before running Disk Defragmenter.

How large is the hard drive / partition? Is it formatted as FAT32 or NTFS?

--

~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please tell the newsgroup how any
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"Poor Tom" <aabb.ccdd@ntlworldnospam.com> wrote in message
news:Tf6pc.78$Kt.75@newsfe3-win.server.ntli.net...
> Yep, has been defragmented completely before (or more or less so - the
> sketch of my hard drive in Defragmenter didn't look like a kaleidoscope).
> Everytime I run defrag I let it run completely.
>
> Any tips on defrag programs?
>
> Thanks!
>
> "Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Af4pc.9793$6f5.801993@attbi_s54...
> > Tom;
> >
> > Have you ever successfully defragged your machine? Have you had it for
a
> > while? Maybe it's badly fragmented. It may need to run for a long
time.
> > Try running it over night to give it time to work.
> >
> > --
> > Hope this helps. Let us know.
> > Wes
> >
> > In news:p e1pc.56$ui5.16@newsfe1-win,
> > Poor Tom <aabb.ccdd@ntlworldnospam.com> hunted and pecked:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > My Windows XP defragmenter is having serious trouble defragmenting my
> > > files - total fragmentation stands at about 55% no matter what I do.
> > >
> > > Someone mentioned a freeware defragmenter that's more effective. I'm
> > > not particularly technical when it comes to computers, so not having
> > > to specifiy things to do with buffers and partitions would be great.
> > > Can anyone recommend a program? Or a way to make Windows Defrag work
> > > better?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!
> >
>
>
Anonymous
May 15, 2004 2:34:35 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

Fragmentation is just one of a number of factors affecting performance. My own observation is that Defragmentation does improve performance but there are other things that can have a more dramatic affect.

It is difficult to comment on the affect if specific files are fragmented, other than on the basis of surmise. I would imagine any fragmented files must impact on performance. The extent would depend on how often the files are accessed and how dependent other services / applications are on the given file. I would guess that fragmented music files may have no impact, unless you choose to play them. Logically fragmented Indexing Service files could have a more generalised affect. However, Disk Defragmenter does not enable the user to say I will defragment that file but not that one. It provides a list of the "Most fragmented files" which gives you the choice of trying to reduce the number of files listed or leaving things as they are.

I have never investigated the Indexing Service. From what little I have read and can recollect it is supposed to facilitate quicker access to files but in doings so it creates another system overhead. Findfast in Microsoft Office was generally recognised to be a hindrance to good performance and best switched off. My Indexing Service is currently not running. Given my interest in performance I feel I should know more about the Indexing Service.

Free space cannot be defragmented with the Windows XP Disk Defragmenter. I believe you can buy other Defragmenters that will perform this task. For me there are other priorities for my funds. Fragmentation of free space is of course one reason why you have a "Most fragmented files" list. The pockets of free space are individually not large enough for the fragments to consolidate. Running Disk Defragmenter a second or third time does move files around and can reduce / eliminate the contents of the "Most fragmented files" list. The more free space on the drive / partition, the more likely it is that all fragments will be eliminated. Pagefile.sys is another file you cannot defragment. For this reason mine is in it's own partition .

--

~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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"Poor Tom" <aabb.ccdd@ntlworldnospam.com> wrote in message news:6tjpc.142$sW6.46@newsfe6-win...
> Hi Gerry, thanks for replying.
>
> I always run with at least 15%. The files causing the defragmentation are
> music and Indexing Service files - does this still affect how well the PC
> performs? Would freeing up to 20% matter? Free space is also severely
> fragmented by the looks of things.
>
> I'll try compacting in OE and running Cleanup as well.
>
>
> "Gerry Cornell" <gcjc@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:o GLWCxfOEHA.1392@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> How much free space is thereon the drive / partition you are trying to
> defragment? You need a minimum of 15%. If there are large files you can
> 20%+.
>
> If you have Outlook Express files on the drive it can help to compact in
> Outlook Express before running Outlook Express. You might also run Disk
> Cleanup before running Disk Defragmenter.
>
> How large is the hard drive / partition? Is it formatted as FAT32 or NTFS?
>
> --
>
> ~~~~~~
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> FCA
>
> Stourport, Worcs, England
> Enquire, plan and execute.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Please tell the newsgroup how any
> suggested solution worked for you.
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
> "Poor Tom" <aabb.ccdd@ntlworldnospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Tf6pc.78$Kt.75@newsfe3-win.server.ntli.net...
> > Yep, has been defragmented completely before (or more or less so - the
> > sketch of my hard drive in Defragmenter didn't look like a kaleidoscope).
> > Everytime I run defrag I let it run completely.
> >
> > Any tips on defrag programs?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > "Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:Af4pc.9793$6f5.801993@attbi_s54...
> > > Tom;
> > >
> > > Have you ever successfully defragged your machine? Have you had it for
> a
> > > while? Maybe it's badly fragmented. It may need to run for a long
> time.
> > > Try running it over night to give it time to work.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Hope this helps. Let us know.
> > > Wes
> > >
> > > In news:p e1pc.56$ui5.16@newsfe1-win,
> > > Poor Tom <aabb.ccdd@ntlworldnospam.com> hunted and pecked:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > My Windows XP defragmenter is having serious trouble defragmenting my
> > > > files - total fragmentation stands at about 55% no matter what I do.
> > > >
> > > > Someone mentioned a freeware defragmenter that's more effective. I'm
> > > > not particularly technical when it comes to computers, so not having
> > > > to specifiy things to do with buffers and partitions would be great.
> > > > Can anyone recommend a program? Or a way to make Windows Defrag work
> > > > better?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
May 15, 2004 3:11:19 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

Found this after completing my earlier post about the Indexing Service.

http://www.theeldergeek.com/indexing_service.htm

--

~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please tell the newsgroup how any
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



"Gerry Cornell" <gcjc@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:o wgOHImOEHA.2336@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
Fragmentation is just one of a number of factors affecting performance. My own observation is that Defragmentation does improve performance but there are other things that can have a more dramatic affect.

It is difficult to comment on the affect if specific files are fragmented, other than on the basis of surmise. I would imagine any fragmented files must impact on performance. The extent would depend on how often the files are accessed and how dependent other services / applications are on the given file. I would guess that fragmented music files may have no impact, unless you choose to play them. Logically fragmented Indexing Service files could have a more generalised affect. However, Disk Defragmenter does not enable the user to say I will defragment that file but not that one. It provides a list of the "Most fragmented files" which gives you the choice of trying to reduce the number of files listed or leaving things as they are.

I have never investigated the Indexing Service. From what little I have read and can recollect it is supposed to facilitate quicker access to files but in doings so it creates another system overhead. Findfast in Microsoft Office was generally recognised to be a hindrance to good performance and best switched off. My Indexing Service is currently not running. Given my interest in performance I feel I should know more about the Indexing Service.

Free space cannot be defragmented with the Windows XP Disk Defragmenter. I believe you can buy other Defragmenters that will perform this task. For me there are other priorities for my funds. Fragmentation of free space is of course one reason why you have a "Most fragmented files" list. The pockets of free space are individually not large enough for the fragments to consolidate. Running Disk Defragmenter a second or third time does move files around and can reduce / eliminate the contents of the "Most fragmented files" list. The more free space on the drive / partition, the more likely it is that all fragments will be eliminated. Pagefile.sys is another file you cannot defragment. For this reason mine is in it's own partition .

--

~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please tell the newsgroup how any
suggested solution worked for you.
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


"Poor Tom" <aabb.ccdd@ntlworldnospam.com> wrote in message news:6tjpc.142$sW6.46@newsfe6-win...
> Hi Gerry, thanks for replying.
>
> I always run with at least 15%. The files causing the defragmentation are
> music and Indexing Service files - does this still affect how well the PC
> performs? Would freeing up to 20% matter? Free space is also severely
> fragmented by the looks of things.
>
> I'll try compacting in OE and running Cleanup as well.
>
>
> "Gerry Cornell" <gcjc@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:o GLWCxfOEHA.1392@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> How much free space is thereon the drive / partition you are trying to
> defragment? You need a minimum of 15%. If there are large files you can
> 20%+.
>
> If you have Outlook Express files on the drive it can help to compact in
> Outlook Express before running Outlook Express. You might also run Disk
> Cleanup before running Disk Defragmenter.
>
> How large is the hard drive / partition? Is it formatted as FAT32 or NTFS?
>
> --
>
> ~~~~~~
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> FCA
>
> Stourport, Worcs, England
> Enquire, plan and execute.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Please tell the newsgroup how any
> suggested solution worked for you.
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
> "Poor Tom" <aabb.ccdd@ntlworldnospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Tf6pc.78$Kt.75@newsfe3-win.server.ntli.net...
> > Yep, has been defragmented completely before (or more or less so - the
> > sketch of my hard drive in Defragmenter didn't look like a kaleidoscope).
> > Everytime I run defrag I let it run completely.
> >
> > Any tips on defrag programs?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > "Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:Af4pc.9793$6f5.801993@attbi_s54...
> > > Tom;
> > >
> > > Have you ever successfully defragged your machine? Have you had it for
> a
> > > while? Maybe it's badly fragmented. It may need to run for a long
> time.
> > > Try running it over night to give it time to work.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Hope this helps. Let us know.
> > > Wes
> > >
> > > In news:p e1pc.56$ui5.16@newsfe1-win,
> > > Poor Tom <aabb.ccdd@ntlworldnospam.com> hunted and pecked:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > My Windows XP defragmenter is having serious trouble defragmenting my
> > > > files - total fragmentation stands at about 55% no matter what I do.
> > > >
> > > > Someone mentioned a freeware defragmenter that's more effective. I'm
> > > > not particularly technical when it comes to computers, so not having
> > > > to specifiy things to do with buffers and partitions would be great.
> > > > Can anyone recommend a program? Or a way to make Windows Defrag work
> > > > better?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
!