PC gamer/got a xbox360 & gears of war = very disappoint

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Girlfriend bought me an xbox360 for my birthday i got gears of war, the graphics are nice but nothing really special, and the game play is terrible, i played it for two hours last night and got bored it's the same action repeated again and again: run, take cover, aim and fire, this game got rave reviews so i was expecting something good, theres alot of people wondering if this is coming to the pc, trust me your not missing anything, is it just me or is gaming in general getting boring. anyone one else of the same opinion
 

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I don’t like that it takes about 20 shots to kill someone in the game when you have the skill setting set to hard... I mean would in not be better to make the AI work harder than just to simply make the enemy take more hits?, unrealistic in that sense.

If you have a PC then this game is nothing new to gaming, it does offer good graphics but very little substance. Multiplayer is good but by no means great, why cant Microsoft make it that instead of hosting servers on your own 360 you could do just like the PC’s do and have commercial servers and servers running off players PC’s or something?
 

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Girlfriend bought me an xbox360 for my birthday i got gears of war, the graphics are nice but nothing really special, and the game play is terrible, i played it for two hours last night and got bored it's the same action repeated again and again: run, take cover, aim and fire, this game got rave reviews so i was expecting something good, theres alot of people wondering if this is coming to the pc, trust me your not missing anything, is it just me or is gaming in general getting boring. anyone one else of the same opinion


That can be said for every single game that has ever been released since:
Wolfenstien 3d
Command and conquer.

hell even further back then that. I just never played those.

Serisouly think about it. All these new games only offer better eye candy, and online play. other then that, there are only so many angles to take on a shooter game, or an RTS game.

You either run for cover and shoot bad guys.
Or you manage the same resource pool and mass tanks to obliterate your enemy.
 

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Sounds like you have been out of the loop for a while, games are getting a lot more complex and diverse than they were in the Wolfenstien 3D days, a game where you could not even look up or down or even jump. You have games like Battle Field that give you a mixture of first person play style mixed with playable tanks and aircraft, even submarines and battle ships. There have even been FPS and RTS mixed games like Command and Conquer Renegade (that was not so good) and Natural Selection (which is probably the best Half Life mod in history).

Games still have a long way to go as well I think, with hardware accelerating you will see more games that are mixing with more genres. Something more of a Deus Ex style where it mixes RPG and FPS in to one game. Hell you could even call Battle Field 2142 an RPG in the way it lets you upgrade your player, if it was not for the lack of a story it probably would be.

I can just imagine games coming out that are FPS, RTS and RPG all mixed in to one where you will have a story online that is needed to be played through. None of this MMORPG crap hardly present story shit either a proper story that lets 10 or more player’s play through a game all together… Hey I have a great idea… Maybe I have said too much… I’m off to design a game :lol:
 

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The problem is you're a pc gamer playing a console game. I can't bring myself to play any game on a console except a beat em up or a party type game like Monkey Ball.

Just remember for future reference that consoles are poo and forever will be poo once you get into pc gaming.
 

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Don’t know about that... I loved my Dreamcast, even enjoy playing my PS2 for a fair few hours here and there when I get back from work. I guess what it is, is a case where Microsoft are trying to get the 360 to imitate or even take over the PC but they simply just don’t have the content to do so… But it wont stop them trying.

What you will find soon is a lot of 360 exclusives in more things than just FPS type games. And the last thing I want to go through again is a time when I really want to play a game like Fable or Final Fantasy but cant because they are consol exclusives.

This will probably be the most expensive year I have had yet:

*Got a 360 at the start of the year (£280)
*Got a new widescreen monitor to play games on my PC and 360 (£300)
*New PC upgrade because of PCI Express and DDR2 (900 fecking quid)
*PS3 from Hong Kong (£280)
*50” DLP 1080p for the sodding PS3 (£900)

I need to start drinking again…
 

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I agree with all of your comments. I've been a PC gamer since the x386 days and I'm still a PC gamer. Yeah, I went out and bought a PS2 when it first came out, but I'm having a hard time trying to decide if I want to buy a PS3 or 360 console.

The only games that I think are great on console systems are fighting games, sports games, and 3rd person games.

I could not imagine playing a RTS or FPS on a console system. It just doesn't work.

Also, I heard that many future games will only be released on the console systems and will never make it to the PC arena. For an example, Call of Dutiy 3 has no plans on being released on the PC, although it was first introduced as a PC FPS. If game developers force me into buying a console for a game, I will be extremely pissed. COD3 has already got me going.

The only game that I can't wait for is the New Rainbow Six- Vegas on the PC that should be releaed by mid-Dec.
 

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You know whats happening, and why consoles are going to win the Game wars against pc's?

Becuase everyone spends too much cash upgrading. Seriously, just like previous poster said.. you spent 900 quid on a new system... Ive spent 1400$ cad. and I still cant play the newest games at the max resolution setting..

Its getting rediculous.. Not only that, you need to constantly upgrade. Dont get me wrong, I love PC games, but its getting to a point where the game manfucatures want to push the highest quality settings when the majority of the users cant even play the game.

A perfect example is Tribes 2. When it came out, i twas ground breaking. Awesome online play, everything about it was terrific. But you know why it suffered? Not because of lack of support. But because no one could run the stupid thing on their system unless they had over 1000$ to upgrade.

Id rather just spend 400-500$ on a PC that I can use for videos, music, downloading the what not, internet, work, and buy my self an xbox 360.
Cuz right now for 400$ I can get my self an x360 that plays the latest games and displays amaizng on my TV.

And this is why PC games are loosing out to the consoles.
Console systems games are better optimized all around. Weve got all these stupi dPC games that are optimized to shit and cant run properly on the best of systems because they dont take full advantage of the drivers.

And as long as the developers push for console releases, the PC gamers will get tier 2 level games as the publishers are too lazy to optimize for a smaller market.. which is true.. When you got a console like an X360, you can run all games on the x360.

when u got a PC, you do not know if your specs can handle the latest game. Why release to a group of people in which 20% can run the game the way its meant to be played, 30% have driver and display issues, and 50% have less then the minimum requirements?

and from a business perspective, I dont blame them either. The only thing that the PC market has over the console market is real time strategy games. Thats the only gaming genre that the console cannot beat.
 

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Hmmmm..... Im sure your xbox on a standard tv looks just amazing. :p
BTW do you pay the monthly xbox live fee? Why pay for game patches that should be FREE. I only pay for internet and I get FREE game play with no subscription.
With the money saved I can buy new parts. As for games just borrow you bro's and crack em.
 

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You’re forgetting about that £900 DLP and the sodding PS3 that I am shelling out for. The thing is I have not upgraded my PC for about 2 years now and when I did all that I changed was a £200 GFX card that has only just started to show it’s age with the new monitor I got.

I have had to shell out for three consoles every three or four years now and at £200 a piece on average that’s not really much cheaper than the PC upgrades. Also the premium I now have to pay on the games that are made for the consoles because they are now sold at a loss is a very unattractive thing to have to go and pay for. Reminds me of the PSX games before the major price cut on all games from £49.99 to £39.99 back in 1999 (£50 = $100).

I want to also comment on what you said about games on consoles surpassing games on the PC… I just don’t believe that to be true. First Person titles for instance are almost always much better than the console variant. Not only because of the simple fact that the keyboard and mouse control system is much better suited to that type of game, but because there is simply still to this day more choice.

You will start to see games that have been designed for the PC that will simply need more power than the console has to offer and will have to either be redesigned or not produced for the console market at all. You can already see this in effect already with games like Oblivion. I originally got this game for the X360 and it did run well and did look great but after I tried it out on my PC I noticed the version for the PC looks even better and with a few upgrades will run much better too. Already you can build a PC that has about four times as much graphics horsepower as the X360 and it wont be too long before something like that becomes more affordable.

PC gaming is here to stay and nothing, not even a console that is able to upgrade will take that away. PC is a universal tool for not only entertainment but work and organisation and even information and education too. And because of that the PC has a wider customer base than any if not all consoles ever will.
 

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I definately agree with all those poins. However, in response to your Oblivion comment, while it does look spectacular on a 400$ cad. xbox360, in order to match the same detail on a computer you need at a minimum a 800$ rig.

As for shelling out the extra cash every 2 years to buy a new system, that is because you are not content with the first system you bought. The original xbox that came out has been in the market for almost 5 years if not longer. And they are still making content for it. The Xbox360 has already been out for 1 year. YOu bought the PS3 because you had to have one not because of any other reason. What I am trying to say here is that while you may have spent the dough to but another PS3, I wouldn't have since I would have already owned an X360, and I tend to stick it out with what I got, and not purchase a ps3 at the issanely high price.

The x360 is an impressive machine. While on a standard TV it may not look as great, it still plays and does look better then anything I have seen on any of my pc's.. (well thats pending, I am getting a 7800 GTX OC today, so time will tell how amazing it is). The x360 will be around for a solid 3-4 years.

If you compare to computer upgrade time, every 2 years you need a major upgrade if you want to stay up to date. This is more then 800$ as all the parts are different in that point in time.. DDR1 to DDR2 for example... or 478 pin to 775.

Of course PC gaming is here to stay. It was just my cynical mind talking. But I thikn you can see what I mean. For those who dont have the cash to afford expensive computers to stay up today for the gaming alone, would deifnatley look into a console for their gaming purposes.

Lets be honest, you do not need more then a 1ghz p3, 5123 mb ram to do your homework, watch videos, burn music/dvds. Infact I had a p3 733 for the last 5 years. I nevert used it for gaming. It ran windows Xp great, played my movies, my music, did all my school work. Now it cost a bit more when it first came out, but now what is worth? 80$?? But I didn't have to upgrade to a faster computer. Infact if it was just games that I wanted the Xbox360 has a lot of titles.. But I can afford to upgrade and have more systems in my hose so I did.. I hope you see the perspective I am talking about here. Computers are needed for work purposes. No doubt about it. Infact every household needs a computer that can at least access the internet and use word. Its a very usefull tool.

As for online gaming, x360 as far as I know costs 70$ a year for gold membership. Which also comes with a 20$ off any game purchase. Sony's systems, say you just upgrades from a ps2 to a ps3, has free online gaming. There are many pc games that require monthly subscriptions as well... WOW? Eve?? those games cost over 100$ a year to play and be subscribed ontop of your internet cost. If people can afford to do that, then I dont see what the big deal with paying less then 5$ permonth for yearly xboxLIVE.

As for pirating games. This is a flaw in the other posters argument. If you realy want, you can hack your x360 and also download and burn games for that system too. Same with the original XBOX with the mod chip. Except that you cant play online. This is no different the PC's though as a hacked game most likely wont play online.... except for maybe the first week of its release until a patch gets rid of it.
 

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You mentioned that $70 (more than $100 in the UK) but what do you get for this payment:

*Friends List
*The ability to leave voice messages
*Can download demos and updated content

Well I don’t know about you but I can do all that and a hell of a lot more for free on my PC. It’s all about Microsoft trying to make back all that they lost on the console and more. It costs you £8 to change your user name for goodness sake, which made me real mad.

Also you where talking about MMORPG’s costing you money per month to play, are you forgetting that the same games cost you just as much on top of your monthly pay to Microsoft for the same games when used on the X360, games such as Phantasy Star Online and Final Fantasy 11. You can’t really justify what you are being charged to use and lets face it a really shitty system for connecting your Xbox to the Internet. The Dreamcast had better features for connecting online and that’s a console that was released a good 6 years ago.

You can also use the PC and the Internet for things like downloading old games free over the Internet like Enemy Territory and the GTA back catalogue amongst a whole other load of games that are completely free and legal to download off the Internet.

I just can’s see consoles eating in to the PC hardware market any time soon, maybe if the console became and add-on for the PC where you could literally link it in to your PC and use that to do all the graphics processing and CPU calculations then yeh maybe it will completely over take stand alone PC gaming but not when the PC and the console are separate entities.
 

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I thinkl you are missing the generaization that I am making. Of course you cant compare the console to a pc when it comes too downloading and working. AT least not yet anyway. But eventaully there will come a point in which consoles will be like Media PC's, and have the capabilities - or at least very similar capabilities to that of a pc in regards to downloading, surfing the net. I could very well see in a couple of years this market being looked into..

The ps3 has free online game play. So I dont understand why you are only using that as a comparison and not using other systems as well.. The dream cast is also a console. I am talking about consoles in general. The x360 is a good system, but, its not the only good system. I am making a comparison between gaming on pc's and gaming on consoles and the eventaul switch.

Tell me, if you purchase Gears of War for the Xbox 360, and put it in the xbox 360, dont you epxect the xbox 360 to run it since it s agmae made for the x360?

if u buy the same game for the pc 1 year down the road woudn't u expect your pc to run it? But it might not because you haven't upgraded. In that sense, the console world is superior to the pc world. no upgrades. 1 game works on all systems. Less developemnt time is done overall to account for different system specs, or multiple textures..
 

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Your missing the point. What happens when the xbox 720, ps4, etc come out? You will have to upgrade, hence making all your games useless. Granted I will have upgraded my pc, but not replaced it, yet. Nor will I have to buy new games at $50 a crack. See, WE BOTH WILL HAVE TO UPGRADE. In fact I have games on my system that are very old and I sometimes play. Like UT, tribes 1, sof2, etc..... 6+ years these games have been playable with supported servers. For free. Also 3rd party mods which make 1 game into 2. Like desert combat for bf1942.
Not to even get into game speed. Servers that run at 125%speed, can you aim that fast with a ps controller, hell no. I dont mean those games where the game helps you aim(lame). Ive played UT on the ps2 and it was a joke.
Plus your missing out on 64 man servers running bf2 etc. Drive tanks, apc's, hummers, heli's, jets, ......squad support. When the consloe servers reach 64 man, we'll be playing on 240 man servers. What about physics? Thats seems to be the next big thing.

Too me its a wash. Your going to spend money either way. So why not have a system that can do it all. Fast, beautiful, smooth.

mars<---who has paid for 2 games in 2 yrs and has chit load on system.

btw-from my experience most gamers find 1 or 2 games they really like, and just play those 1 or 2.
 

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from my experience most gamers find 1 or 2 games they really like, and just play those 1 or 2.
From your experience… what are you, do you think your half the gaming populous or something. Gamers don’t play 1 or 2 games and they especially don’t play them for a long period of time. Go to any LAN party and you will find any gamer has on average about 10 or more games installed on there PC at any one time. Yes they have 1 or 2 games they prefer to play but by no means do they only play thoughts games and nothing else.

What I have been trying to say is that you will spend just as much on consoles as you will do on PC’s. The good thing about PC’s is that they have more than one use. Another good thing about them is they don’t need replaced when they get old, they just need certain parts replaced when needed. Games on the PC are also just as available as all the consoles put together.

So really unless there is a certain game franchise that is exclusive to that once console, there really is no point in actually buying one. This was my mistake with the 360 and I am now regretting it, as there is still no games for that console that are exclusives that I could not live with out playing. It really has just become a heavy looking paperweight on my desk next to my monitor.

And you can't get porn on consoles either.
How could we forget the most important use for a PC :lol:
 

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First off Im not debating the cost with you. The only thing Im debating is the value and quality of what you get for what it costs.

from my experience most gamers find 1 or 2 games they really like, and just play those 1 or 2.
From your experience… what are you, do you think your half the gaming populous or something. Gamers don’t play 1 or 2 games and they especially don’t play them for a long period of time. Go to any LAN party and you will find any gamer has on average about 10 or more games installed on there PC at any one time. Yes they have 1 or 2 games they prefer to play but by no means do they only play thoughts games and nothing else.

What I have been trying to say is that you will spend just as much on consoles as you will do on PC’s. The good thing about PC’s is that they have more than one use. Another good thing about them is they don’t need replaced when they get old, they just need certain parts replaced when needed. Games on the PC are also just as available as all the consoles put together.

So really unless there is a certain game franchise that is exclusive to that once console, there really is no point in actually buying one. This was my mistake with the 360 and I am now regretting it, as there is still no games for that console that are exclusives that I could not live with out playing. It really has just become a heavy looking paperweight on my desk next to my monitor.

And you can't get porn on consoles either.
How could we forget the most important use for a PC :lol:

LOL have you been to a lan party? We used to have them every friday night. 2-3 games will get played by the majority of people. Yes pc gamers will have a lot of games on there system, but most will never get played unless someone begs to play it. For instanace, I recently installed 2142. Played 10 mins online and havent touched it since. Why? I guess Im not into it. Same with the new Ghost recon. Looks great, but time is precious and I dont have to to learn all the detail stuff in every game. BF games are very deep. Plus ranks etc...Why do you think so many people still play CS?
 

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Last LAN party I went to I must have played about 6 or 7 different games 4 where for tournaments.

Dawn of War
Battle Field 2
Counter Strike
FEAR
SWAT (that was fun)
Homeworld 2... dont know why we where playing that.
Black and white 2 was also played... I think it was just out that weekend...
 

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if u buy the same game for the pc 1 year down the road woudn't u expect your pc to run it? But it might not because you haven't upgraded. <-- lower ur graphic settings maybe? oh there u go =)
 

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and from a business perspective, I dont blame them either. The only thing that the PC market has over the console market is real time strategy games. Thats the only gaming genre that the console cannot beat. <~~ eh real time strategy? what about first person shooter and MMORPG games??? all those sucks on consoles
 

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if u buy the same game for the pc 1 year down the road woudn't u expect your pc to run it? But it might not because you haven't upgraded. <-- lower ur graphic settings maybe? oh there u go =)

1year down the road the game would run exactlly the same as when you bought it. The engine that runs the game has not changed.
 

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well i finished gears of war, took about eight hours, turned out it wasn't that bad, the only problem i have with pc gaming is upgrading, i upgraded around 13 months ago and it cost me around 1500euro, in that time I've really only played 4 great games, now DX10 is coming out and i want to upgrade just to play crysis it will probably cost me around 1000euro, it just that when you upgrade you only get to play 3/4 AAA titles.
 

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The problem is you're a pc gamer playing a console game. I can't bring myself to play any game on a console except a beat em up or a party type game like Monkey Ball.

Just remember for future reference that consoles are poo and forever will be poo once you get into pc gaming.


I have to disagree, some console games are better then PC games and some PC games are better then console games. But as the case with Gears of War is that its a FPS on a console. Most PC gamers are too used to FPS games on PC because FPS games are tailor made for PCs.
 

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it just that when you upgrade you only get to play 3/4 AAA titles.
Don’t know about you but when I last upgraded, about 2 years ago now. I must have played about 60 to 70 different games on my PC and in that time I would say about 20 of them have been extremely pleasing to play. So when you say, “When you upgrade you only get to play 3/4 AAA titles.” I think you mean to say ‘you’ I think you mean to say ‘I’.

Also this is not true about FPS being tailor made for PC’s you may not have noticed that gears of war does not have any crosshair unless in aim mode. And also the un-aimed mode has a huge person plonked in your screen. Both those things would be very unwelcome in a PC title. It’s just that this game does not have any real life to it, making it dull. I just remember nearer to the end that I just wanted a part of the game where I could rest for a little and take in some story and background to this whole game and actually find out why all this was happening. Non of this happened and I finished the game with more questions than I started with. I actually gave out a sigh of relief that I had finally finished the game as the credits scrolled up my screen.
 

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well the only really good games that stand out in my mind in the last two years(or there abouts) are as follows, thief 3, Fear, battlefield 2(can only play single player cant get broadband looks great on my DLP projector and a decent sound system), Hitman(the new one)splinter cell CT, ES oblivion. and i really loved Far Cry,

The rest dark messiah, Half-life 2(over hyped to linear), prey were good but hardly worth the buy, i mostly play FPS but lately i'm just loosing interest in games, maybe it because the games aren't living up the hype and the constant disappointments are crushing my will to continue :lol:, to be honest the xbox360 doesn't really interested me, i used to be a console gamer for a long time until i built my first computer(amd 3200+ 9800pro 1GBram), and that was the end of that.