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"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:04:37 GMT, "Ron Bandes" <RunderscoreBandes
> @yah00.com> wrote:
>
> >"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
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> >> 100mw (+20dBm) is actually fairly low
> >> power as WISP radios go. Typical is 1 watt (+30dBm) into a 6dbi omni
> >> or panel antenna. With a 24dBi dish, your maximum legal transmit
> >> power is +24dBm.
>
> >Jeff, can you help me with the math? A 24dBi dish is 18dBi more than a
> >typical 6dBi omni. 18dBi equals a multiplier of 63. The maximum EIRP
> >allowed with a directional antenna is 4 Watts. One 63rd of 4 Watts is
63.4
> >mW, which is +18 dBm. How did you get +24 dBm? Thanks.
> >Ron Bandes, CCNP, CTT+, etc.
>
> So much for getting to sleep before midnight...
>
> FCC Part 15.247 at:
>
>
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/get-cfr.cgi?TITLE=47&PART=15&SECTION=247&YEAR=2001&TYPE=TEXT
> sayeth:
>
> (3) Except as shown in paragraphs (b)(3) (i), (ii) and (iii) of this
> section, if transmitting antennas of directional gain greater than 6
> dBi are used the peak output power from the intentional radiator shall
> be reduced below the stated values in paragraphs (b)(1) or (b)(2) of
> this section, as appropriate, by the amount in dB that the directional
> gain of the antenna exceeds 6 dBi.
> (i) Systems operating in the 2400-2483.5 MHz band that are used
> exclusively for fixed, point-to-point operations may employ
> transmitting antennas with directional gain greater than 6 dBi
> provided the maximum peak output power of the intentional radiator is
> reduced by 1 dB for every 3 dB that the directional gain of the
> antenna exceeds 6 dBi.
>
> The first part is straight forward. 1 watt (+30dBm) is the maximum
> xmitter power under all circumstances. Attached to a 6dBi omni gives
> a maximum EIRP (effective radiated power) of +36dbm or 4 watts for an
> omni or point to multipoint system. IF the antenna gain is greater
> than +6dBi, then the xmit power needs to be reduced by the same number
> of decibels.
>
> However, 15.247(b)(3)(i) offers point to point links substantial
> leniency in their EIRP. For every 3dB of antenna gain over the
> maximum +36dBm radiated, the xmitter power need only be reduced 1dB.
> This yields the following chart of max gains and corresponding max
> xmit power:
> xmit antenna EIRP EIRP
> power gain
> +dbm +dbi +dbm watts
> 30 6 36 4
> 29 9 38 6.3
> 28 12 40 10
> 27 15 42 16
> 26 18 44 25
> 25 21 46 40
> 24 24 48 63
>
> Note the last line. That's where the +24dBm xmit power into a +24dBi
> dish came from.
>
> The FCC has been rather liberal in their interpretation of
> 15.247(b)(3)(i) and has allowed beam steering access points to qualify
> under the point to point rule.
>
http://www.vivato.com/download/VP12001210%20Datasheet.pdf
> Note the EIRP of +44dBm (25 watts) with a 25dBi steerable antenna.
>
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
> 150 Felker St #D
http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558
Thanks Jeff. Apparently my error was using the 4 Watts for transmitter
power when it should have been the EIRP. You really cleared it up and
explained it better than I've seen before.
Ron Bandes, CCNP, CTT+, etc.