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ATI Radeon HD 5830 Fills Price/Performance Gap

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February 25, 2010 4:50:30 PM

The price of the 5830 at $240 is a bit too high...I'd rather either get a $200 ATI 4890 (still pretty common) or spend an extra $50 to get a much better ATI 5850.
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February 25, 2010 4:51:04 PM

I just have one question for the Tom's Hardware editors. Why write up this news article when its clear that you guys have a new feature article on the left of your homepage which tells us everything about the 5830? (that article, by the way, was a very awesome, informed article) :D 

On another note - I'll probably stay away from the 5830 til it comes down to the $199 - $209 price point. It would just seem wise to me...
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February 25, 2010 4:51:16 PM

5870 size...but 5770+ performance...

i'll wait for the 5870 price drop...
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February 25, 2010 5:02:35 PM

it looks like that new gen of cards is just a low power+Eyefinity+die shrink of the HD4xxx series
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February 25, 2010 5:20:58 PM

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it looks like that new gen of cards is just a low power+Eyefinity+die shrink of the HD4xxx series


at least there is progress. imagine this cards will be the igp's of the future. low low power, eyefinity and dx20.1

now, if fermi can raise the bar feature-wise... we'll see
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February 25, 2010 5:36:56 PM

this card seems very overpriced. $250 for comparable performance to a 1+ year old card? No, thanks.
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February 25, 2010 5:39:59 PM

I'd really like to see an extraordinary video card of exceptional value introduced for $99.99. It doesn't look like it's going to happen.
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February 25, 2010 5:54:15 PM

No matter how you slice it most of the 5xxx series below the 5850 are disappointments.

Customers expect more performance from a new gen and this is not what we are getting. Even though the core is clearly capable of much more AMD is crippling them and telling us we should ignore performance and be happy with extra features and then to put icing on the cake all the 5xxx cost more than their 4xxx counterparts!!!

Less performance for more money???? New features that in large part cant be useful enough because the card is to crippled to REALLY take advantage of those features???

Shame on you AMD your getting greedy. I hate Nvidia and own your stock but your doing nothing for me now. I have to hope fermi gets here soon and does a half assed job so there will be some kind of competitiveness in the market.
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February 25, 2010 5:56:55 PM

I guess you need a lot of cards to go arround when your only competitor does nothing but anounce product dellays.

[Insert clever comparison between Duke Nukem Forever and Fermi here.]

If Fermi does in fact ever make it to market I'm sure we'd see price drops across the board on the 5xxxs, even if Fermi isn't as good.
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February 25, 2010 6:24:26 PM

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ATI Radeon HD 5830 Fills Price/Performance Gap


It does fill a price gap, not so sure about the performance gap, however...
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February 25, 2010 6:44:30 PM

too expensive to be considered over a 5850 or 5770 and two, how did it end up so much of a power hog and how did it come out larger than the 5850
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February 25, 2010 6:49:39 PM

FlorinR said:
it looks like that new gen of cards is just a low power+Eyefinity+die shrink of the HD4xxx series


A die shrink and a bit of a hardware tweak then give a new name and sell it as a new card, a bit like what Nvidia is being berated for with the G300 series except when ATi do it it's fantastic and Nvidia are evil. Nice double standards don't you think?
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February 25, 2010 7:23:42 PM

I'd stick with 9800 or 8800 512 for $100. More bang for the buck, imo.
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February 25, 2010 7:50:53 PM

hmmm...price/preformance, this needs to go down another $30, to just above the 4890s current price
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February 25, 2010 8:40:38 PM

cknobmanNo matter how you slice it most of the 5xxx series below the 5850 are disappointments. Customers expect more performance from a new gen and this is not what we are getting. Even though the core is clearly capable of much more AMD is crippling them and telling us we should ignore performance and be happy with extra features and then to put icing on the cake all the 5xxx cost more than their 4xxx counterparts!!! Less performance for more money???? New features that in large part cant be useful enough because the card is to crippled to REALLY take advantage of those features???Shame on you AMD your getting greedy. I hate Nvidia and own your stock but your doing nothing for me now. I have to hope fermi gets here soon and does a half assed job so there will be some kind of competitiveness in the market.


I take it you were in Cryo back in 2007... did you see what Nvidia did back then? 8800GTS 320mb for $400? ...and then there was the 8600GTS following it with nothing in between it, performance-wise.
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February 26, 2010 12:01:00 AM

JudguhI just have one question for the Tom's Hardware editors. Why write up this news article when its clear that you guys have a new feature article on the left of your homepage which tells us everything about the 5830? (that article, by the way, was a very awesome, informed article)

While you may read Tom's Hardware through a web browser pointed directly to the front page, there are still a group who only subscribe to our News RSS feed (http://feeds.pheedo.com/toms_hardware_headlines). For those people, having a news article alerting them to the review might be helpful.
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February 26, 2010 2:36:37 AM

"If you've only got a $250 budget"
What planet do you live on that makes you think that is not a lot of money for a video card? I think it's a mistake to spend anymore than that.

Too often websites like this boast about new features and show enthusism for video cards that cost waay more than they should. Based on the benchmarks I've seen I wouldn't pay more than $180 for this card. It is NOT better than the 4890.

Sure it has eyefinity which is great if you are rich enough to afford 3 monitors and if you got that kind of money to blow then you should be buying a top of the line card anyways.

Also, I know it supports Direct X 11 but I have seen the screen shots and can't even tell the difference not to mention the frame rate takes a HUGE hit when running a game in DX11 mode.

Here is some advice for those who don't have the experience of building computers since the Pentium II was popular.

1st..Try to keep it under $200.
Reason: The value of high end video cards drops increadibly fast if you buy a video card $600 there is a good chance that it won't be worth half that amount in a year.

2nd..Ignore the hype
Reason: Video card makers always want you to buy new video cards because that keeps the company profitable and keeps thier shareholders happy.

3rd..Pay attention to benchmarks
Reason: Just because it's of a newer generation doesn't mean it will nessarily give you better performance.

Rather than buying this card at $250 I suggest buying a 4890 NEW on ebay for $190 OR if you don't mind a used one you can get it for $175. If you hate ebay and will only buy retail then there is always the 4850 for only $100.
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February 26, 2010 2:39:25 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
The price of the 5830 at $240 is a bit too high...I'd rather either get a $200 ATI 4890 (still pretty common) or spend an extra $50 to get a much better ATI 5850.


Or better yet a 169.99$ XFX 4890 (free shipping) :

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

The 5830 would have been great if priced at 220.00$ like others have said here, half the ROP's of a 5850 is not worth 250.00$ IMO..

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February 26, 2010 5:10:35 AM

mousemonkeyA die shrink and a bit of a hardware tweak then give a new name and sell it as a new card, a bit like what Nvidia is being berated for with the G300 series except when ATi do it it's fantastic and Nvidia are evil. Nice double standards don't you think?


You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. GT300 is one-to-one rebrand of GT200 series which itself is just a 40nm dx10.1 refresh of GT9x00 that is a rebrand of GT8x00 with 55nm process node. 8800GT, 9800GT, GT250, are pretty much identical. In recent history ATI has much bigger architecture changes each generation than nvidia. Nvidia finally does a total architecture change with Fermi but see how problematic and late it ended up to be.
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February 26, 2010 4:22:55 PM

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This card will not cut it and seems to be a waist or end of bin run. 5830 = NO SALE maybe for $80.00 that it should be priced at.

Why can't they just use this excuse for a card as a IGP on a motherboard or something ?

O Power consumption performance heat is limiting it as IGP so they have to make a video card LMAO.

Will rather stick with the 4890 at least I know it works andd does not have the ATI driver issues.
What is up with the lack of video memory / lack of 2gb/4gb vram ?
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February 26, 2010 4:25:30 PM

Want....
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February 26, 2010 4:42:51 PM

scrumworks said:
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. GT300 is one-to-one rebrand of GT200 series which itself is just a 40nm dx10.1 refresh of GT9x00 that is a rebrand of GT8x00 with 55nm process node. 8800GT, 9800GT, GT250, are pretty much identical. In recent history ATI has much bigger architecture changes each generation than nvidia. Nvidia finally does a total architecture change with Fermi but see how problematic and late it ended up to be.

So what was the 4770 then? What was it based on? Where is the GT230 and GT215? and a GTS250 and 9800GT are so identical what with one having 112SP's and the other having 128SP's. :pfff: 
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February 26, 2010 5:17:03 PM

mousemonkeySo what was the 4770 then? What was it based on? Where is the GT230 and GT215? and a GTS250 and 9800GT are so identical what with one having 112SP's and the other having 128SP's.


The 4770 was a 40nm die shrink of RV770, and ATI makes this perfectly obvious. The name is not misleading. If they were to rename the 4770 as the 5650 and sell it as that, we'd be all over them for it.

The 9800 GTX+ and the GTS 250 are practically the same card. The differences between RV770 and Evergreen/RV870 are larger than the difference between those cards. NVidia's rebadging seems designed to mislead their customers. The GTS 250 moniker should mean it has the same architecture as the rest of the 2xx series (GT200 derivatives), which it doesn't. Throw in the fact that the mobile GTX 260/280/285 cards are also G92 derivatives and it's no wonder we don't trust them.

TL;DR, NVidia has a history of less-than-fully-transparent naming schemes. ATI less so.
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February 26, 2010 5:48:23 PM

The 9800GTX+ and GTS250 are the same card and I made a post a while back in the Graphics forum about why I thought they might have ended up with such a mishmash of names and cards, as for why people can't get their heads around the fact that two different companies have different ways of naming their products, that I've about given up on because there is no way to please everyone, so long as I can work out which is which the rest of the world can go hang.
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February 26, 2010 6:46:38 PM

yesterday's artcle today's news
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February 28, 2010 6:33:44 AM

I was waiting to replace my 4 year old Radeon X800 XT card for a long time. Now I have found my card, since it a Radeon HD 5870 card (physically) I will definitely buy this card (It will be around INR 13,000).
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March 2, 2010 12:07:42 AM

These numbers are garbage. The 5850 isn't worth more than $250 and the 5770 isn't worth more than about $130. I just feel terrible for all the suckers that are getting conned so much money for such little performance. I upgraded, or rather downgraded, from a GTX 260 to a $150 5770 with a drop in 5-10 f.p.s.! I should never have bought it to begin with. I shed a tear for the noobs spending upwards of $350 for the 5870 and the 5970.
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