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May 2, 2007 8:06:35 PM

I finally played CS Source for the first time... not to offend anyone, but the game blows bad. Between the Friend Flash Grenades and the repetitive tactics... am I missing something?

Can anybody recommend some good servers/boards/setups... because I'm having a sinking feeling that I just wasted $29. :cry: 

Is DOD better?

I just can't fathom why this is the #1 online game... is it just because of the low min. specs needed to play?

Any other good massive multiplayer shooters out there?

If your a fan of CS:S, I don't mean to be offensive (really).
May 3, 2007 7:16:34 PM

Counter Strike was cool in like 2001. Source just gave it fancy lighting. But yeah its is very repetative, and no its is NOT the best shooter out there.

Its great if you like fast paced run and gun. Try some of the mod servers, like the RPG and Zombie mods. But the game play is is pretty bland by today's games.
May 3, 2007 8:35:47 PM

It's not the most played game overall, WoW is. With 6 million players and growing. CS:S and COD2 run neck-and-neck when it comes to popularity.


But like prozac said, you gotta get use to game. Play it for a while and invest some time and you'll come around to it.
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May 4, 2007 2:12:32 AM

I'm not terribly interested in CS:S so I never bought it. Every time I go to look at CS:S screenshots or videos I see the same map ("de_dust" or something?) with the same weapons used (knife, M16, or uber Sniper Rifle) and the same focus on headshots. I know there's a variety of weapons in this game but none of them are used except for those I mentioned. The game doesn't encourage the use of all the weapons like a game like Halo does.

I dunno, Halo has a better variety of weapons and levels and also seems very polished and balanced, so I don't see why I should make the switch.

Why is CS:S so popular?
May 4, 2007 8:22:04 AM

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i play on firstbloods server 87.117.203.37:27015. it has some good clan members and is (mostly) a non camping map. unfortunately they have allowed 1 awp per team and scouts to be used. months ago when i was a more regular player they banned all scoped weapons.
Heh, banning weapons because you think they are crap… people who use AWP’s are easy to kill. Hell I have glocked so many people with snipers rifles in my time it’s unreal. Saying that I was rather good in my hay day, if you get in with a good crowed you find out that no one uses snipers because there crap and easy to get around.

But anyway, yes this game needs to have your attention and for you to gain a little skill before you start to enjoy it.
May 4, 2007 6:54:42 PM

I used to play CS on my old comp with a 56k that was almost as bad as a 28k most of the time.. I don't like CSS all that much, i play it when I want a break from all my other games, I play DoD last night, damn, I got owned again, but I like it, rifleman is fun (snipers are always taken :p  ).

After playing bf2 and other games, CS:S feels like an arcade game, just without the tokens.
May 5, 2007 5:52:25 AM

I agree BF2 is not realistic in the slightest, assault rifles have range of like 50m when in real life effective range of modern rifles is 300m, SVD which is designed as a squad support rifle with effective range of 600m is still capable of 1000m shots, in BF2 you would have to be brilliant to get a shot longer than 200m, plus you can aim perfectly while standing up and decently while moving which is ridiculous. I must say though that while infantry combat is sub-par in BF2, vehicles can be great fun, if you could get like 5 or 6 people on a 64 player map, everyone in vehicles you WILL have a LOT of fun.

Personally I prefer FEAR Combat, if you avoid DM and slow-mo game modes it is very good and the weapons are excellent, in almost every map u will almost always find that every weapon gets used. You need a beefy system though, my laptop (7900gs, c2d t5500, 2 gig ram) stutters a lot on medium settings at 1440*900, my desktop (8800gtx, e6600, 2 gig ram) plays it well on top settings at 1280*1024. Also, FEAR has the most advanced unarmed combat system of any game I know, you can actually get servers where everyone is going melee, and let me tell u it is very very fun and challenging.
May 5, 2007 2:28:49 PM

i really love CSS. but i'm not easily offended or anything, feel free to laugh at me or whatever. yeah, to outsiders CSS is a limited and repetitive game, with smallish linear levels and similar strategies. but when you get into it, its just so much fun. i felt the exact same way when i first started playing, i much preferred DM over CSS. but CSS is where its at.

FEAR is really sweet too, but i HATE the unarmed combat! its so cheap! i mean, yeah, when you're in a melee mood its awesome, doing slide tackles and facekicks and fistacuffing, but when you feel like shooting things, and someone comes at you, surviving a shotgun to the face, and killing you with one punch, you get real frustrated. the balance is really weird, but the melee is fun as hell, as long as you aren't the one being melee'd. [isn't that always the case?] :lol: 

well, i love CSS, and there is no way that anyone can convince you its a good game. i really have fun with it, and you can find some crazy people online. and, StrangeStranger, i'll try to find you sometime. i don't really like dust2, but i wanna play with someone from THG. i'm going by "Version 7.0" as of late.

"I LOOK FORWARD TO KILLING YOU SOON!" [/ask a ninja]
May 11, 2007 8:23:42 AM

I could really do with a game of Counter Strike soon, not used Steam in almost three months now so I could do with a refresh. Oh and Day of Defeat is sweet, once you get good you get REAL good. I got to a stage at one point where I could kill five people with a five-clip rifle in a row. And if you get good with an MG you are almost invincible, hiding round a corner and killing people within a second of them showing their face.

Anyway anyone that would want a few games of CS just add me to your Steams friend list, I used the same name as I do on the forum. I may be on a few times next week testing it out with Vista x64.
May 11, 2007 1:23:15 PM

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I could really do with a game of Counter Strike soon, not used Steam in almost three months now so I could do with a refresh. Oh and Day of Defeat is sweet, once you get good you get REAL good. I got to a stage at one point where I could kill five people with a five-clip rifle in a row. And if you get good with an MG you are almost invincible, hiding round a corner and killing people within a second of them showing their face.

Anyway anyone that would want a few games of CS just add me to your Steams friend list, I used the same name as I do on the forum. I may be on a few times next week testing it out with Vista x64.


Ok - quick update. I've been playing Day of Defeat... like it much better than CS:S. I join some of the realism servers... my ratio still isn't too good (actually quite bad)... but improving. In the past few days, my accuracy has improved dramatically.

I don't mind leading a charge to cap a flag. I'm usually support, as it is much easier to learn on (at least for me). I try to ambush and then quickly advance.

BTW - works perfectly fine with Vista 64. I'm on as my sig here.

Since I like DOD, maybe Call of Duty 2 would be better for me??? Anybody play both?

Also, Red Orchestra does not have a demo... :x I don't want to drop $20 on a game that doesn't fit my style.
May 11, 2007 8:08:20 PM

Cafuddled, i'ma gonna add you in just a sec, but i'll warn you: it'll be tough for me to get a good ping while playing with you as i live in Georgia and have crappy DSL... but i still wanna play with you...!

i would like to get DoD, i just haven't bought it yet. i assume its got similar sys requirements as CSS? i don't have that nice of a comp, and i don't really wanna run it poorly, but i'm not really worried. my system runs all source engine things that i've played so far very nicely.

so maybe you'll see me come and find you some day in DOD :wink: if not, i'll keep an eye out for you in CSS

and, Twisted_Sister, the source games do seem to have a relatively steep learning curve, so hopefully you're about to make your climb to the top... :D  i wish i could say that i'm good at CSS, but i'm just okay. i usually ahve to struggle to maintain a positive k/d ratio :cry: 
May 11, 2007 10:42:12 PM

i think its really realistic, also. one of the most realistic games i've played. BUT, thats not something that i would use as an argument.
May 12, 2007 12:33:12 AM

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I finally played CS Source for the first time... not to offend anyone, but the game blows bad. Between the Friend Flash Grenades and the repetitive tactics... am I missing something?


I thought the same thing when I played CS Source, I'm glad someone else feels the same way.
May 12, 2007 12:38:08 AM

same here ^ i played also hl2 demo, and decided that im not going to like the game much, but i think ill buy the black box, of hl2ep2 just to be able to play team fortress 2 and portal, not really into that whole episode 2 thou
May 12, 2007 12:51:34 AM

awwwh lamer i can't wait for ep 2. i think it looks sweet.

GRR NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME OPINIONS AS ME :evil: 


:wink:
May 12, 2007 1:30:39 AM

lol, i m not saying that ep doesnt loko nice, just half life 2 itselfe ddint look niec (atleast not to me) but i guess thats because i tried playing the demo about a month ago, and teh game is couple years old, but i guess i just got less of an interest in shooters nowedays, the only fps i play lately is bf2, and far cry from time to time, and tahts about it, the majority of games that i do play are strategy games, buti guess that might change with teh release of crysis ;) 
June 1, 2007 5:01:51 PM

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I finally played CS Source for the first time... not to offend anyone, but the game blows bad. Between the Friend Flash Grenades and the repetitive tactics... am I missing something?


Personally, i thoroughly enjoy CSS. I've played Counter-strike for so long i can't even remember what the first version i've ran is.

You can complain about repetitive tactics, just like in BF2 where everyone runs to the tanks and camps (seen it 1000000000000 times). You will find it in MANY games. Or maybe wow (can you say grind).

I Also love when new people start playing CS.

You can tell because most of the time their aim is so horrible (as is their response time). By the time they turn to face me i've usually headshot them with the AK / M4, or if they really suck, you just knife them and laugh

Ahhhh good times....
June 1, 2007 5:04:49 PM

oh does anyone remember jeepathon2k

ahahaha, can you say FF....
June 4, 2007 5:28:56 PM

i never got into Cs either. I'm a ut man. But people tend to like it b/c they want something that is very close to real combat. One shot one kill/ real guns, etc. It's like the fun w/o the risk.
June 5, 2007 8:59:29 AM

1 shot 1 kill huh… say that to my MP5 after I shot someone 9 times only for them to turn round and shoot me in a fluke head shot.
June 5, 2007 5:18:09 PM

I agree that when i first played CS:S I wasnt won over. But it takes a bit of getting used to and then its hard to stop playing.

The main reason that I play CS:S is that the competition is tough and that there is always someone playing at any given time of the day and there are hundreds upon hundreds of servers to choose from.

You can also argue that CS:S is a lazy man's sport. Rules are simple and learning the game doesnt take long. You can play for 30 minutes or for hours and still have fun.

Also for what 20 bux for the game, cant go wrong there for the hours of entertainment the 20 bux provides.
June 9, 2007 7:01:53 PM

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1 shot 1 kill huh… say that to my MP5 after I shot someone 9 times only for them to turn round and shoot me in a fluke head shot.

i highly doubt you hit them with all nine bullets. they would definitely be dead. it sounds like your opponent supports my statement, though.
June 9, 2007 7:12:19 PM



you're doing it wrong. the mp5 rocks.

whenever mysterious things like that happen, its always a good idea to check the console (by pressing "~") and see if you actually did hit them, and how much damage you did. always a good idea.

but sometimes crazy stuff DOES happen. i've experienced it. one of the craziest things ever are flashbang kills. YES, you CAN kill someone with a flashbang :lol: 
June 9, 2007 11:27:22 PM

favorite moment in cs:s was i was playing the old de dust map and was at bombsite b guarding the bomb. last man standing and 2 ct's are closing in on me. anyone who has played this particular version of the map knows that the boxes let you line up for perfect head shots. so im hiding back there they both run through the double doors and flashbang me. thank god it fell to the back of me so i got my sight back faster. i peeked over the boxes saw them at pointblank and panick shot. they were in a straight column so my ak's round went through one head and into the other. later i found out that the guy trailing shot first but his teammate in front of him blocked his shot. best fatality ever.

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if anyone ever wants to play i use the same username. brick88
June 10, 2007 1:04:25 AM

see, i wish there was like a way you could go back and re-watch crazy stuff like that. the craziest thing i've ever witnessed in-game is a flashbang kill, like i was talking about earlier. they're SO FUNNY. up in the corner, where it shows the kills, it says "blahblahblah" then there's a GIANT picture of a flashbang (lol) then "blahblahblah2". they're pretty damn rare, and like worse than being knifed... here's one on youtube. they're so great.

and my account name is lordaardvark2. i'll try to find you sometime!
June 10, 2007 4:51:30 AM

i mean you could use fraps and record ur footage but its so rare anyway that ur gonna have like a hundred gigs of normal gameplay and maybe 30 seconds of you owning.
June 10, 2007 5:32:24 PM

I've played all the fps shooters e.g. FEAR, DOD, BF2 ect and still find CSS to be more realistic and kick ass, I buy all the new fps games but CSS takes the cake!
June 10, 2007 10:39:34 PM

I can understand why you can't see the attraction, as its been done in other platforms (Global Conflict and the like).

But for me, its a classic! When i first played HL, i thought "mint" makes a change from DOOM.

Then a friend introduced me to CS (about 1.2 at the time). We all used to go round his house and blast the S**T out of each other, twas ace. Then on i was hooked.

We formed a small clan and played at the local internet cafe where clan matches against others took place, prizes were at stake, so we thought why not.

We never lost a match. Out of a league of 10.

It was a small town and it was round the time that boardband was being introduced and my town was the last to hear about it. :( 

So none of us bothered to play over dial up. eventually we never bothered anymore, it had got a bit stale.

when CS:S came out, it brought back "I haven't played in ages, lets see what i can still remember" kind of thoughts.

cos of all the memories i have of playing the "original" make me want to play. And its was good to see how tactics had developed over the time I'd not played.

but yet again, i find myself clicking the DoD icon more than the CS:S one on steam.

CS:S is a classic given on a new engine, its like giving your morris minor a twin turbo V8! :lol: 

but eventually, the novelty wears off after you find that you can only race it on private tracks, and eventually you can't be bothered taking it to one.:( 

I guess you just noticed what I took 5-6 of playing it (not constantly), in the space of a week or 2 :D 

but yeh go with DoD if your not into CS:S, I'd recommend.
June 11, 2007 8:25:40 AM

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you're doing it wrong. the mp5 rocks.

whenever mysterious things like that happen, its always a good idea to check the console (by pressing "~") and see if you actually did hit them, and how much damage you did. always a good idea.

but sometimes crazy stuff DOES happen. i've experienced it. one of the craziest things ever are flashbang kills. YES, you CAN kill someone with a flashbang :lol: 
That is what the console told me happend, happens quight often too... what kind of a gamer would I be if I did not know how to use the console in CS...
June 11, 2007 2:35:44 PM

usually the targetting in css is dead on but it is known to have weird hit boxes sometimes. it probably registered a lot of foot and hand hits instead of body shots. a body shot to a guy with a vest takes off about 20~ health.
June 11, 2007 4:25:04 PM

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That is what the console told me happend, happens quight often too... what kind of a gamer would I be if I did not know how to use the console in CS...
i wasn't implying that you didn't know how to use it, i was just sayin'. that is really odd though, thats one thing that i'd be screaming about over voice chat fo sho. but, yeah. hitboxes can get REALLY weird sometimes. this has happened a few times, i'll run behind a corner or wall, into cover, and then like CSS will take back what it said and i'll be back OUT of cover, shot dead. it may be lag, or like hitboxes bleeding through walls, but whichever one it is, its tres annoying.
June 11, 2007 8:23:22 PM

I've been reading these forums oh, say, 20 or 30 years :wink: and this will be my first post.

A little background about me: I'm 28, I served in the Army as an Infantryman (which means I understand and fully grasp the concepts of Infantry tactics as well as teamwork) and have been a gamer since Super Mario 1 on the NES when I was 8.

When I first played CS 1.5 I felt the same way as some of you. It was all chaotic, flash bangs from team mates (complete lack of communication and teamwork) and compared to BF:2, it doesnt stack up.

Thats if you take it for what it isn't. It's not a game that allows for any sort
of tactical cohesion whatsoever. What it is, is a fast paced, me against the world sort of game.

In BF:2, I had a group of old Army buddies (there were 4 of us including me) on teamspeak. We held down an intersection just north of the 1st flag the enemy goes for. 1 sniping, two of us with SAW's (light machine guns for support) and one guy on assault. We held that corner (and also, that flag almost) the entire round, every round. Because BF:2 lends itself to that sort of game play.

And whoever made that post about the weapons, you have OBVIOUSLY NEVER fired a the REAL ones. I have shot every weapon the US team has when you first start. It IS a game after all, but they did a better job then most. ESPECIALLY on the recoil. And, being a highly trained, combat experienced Infantry soldier, I CAN shoot that good moving.. although I doubt you could :D 

Anyhow, thats my two cents. Once I bought HL:2, and played CS: Source, I noticed the graphical updates but aside from that it was the same game. I gave it a few hours of time, and went from a 17" to a 19" monitor. And took it for what it was.. And.. well, I'll let the screenshot below speak for itself. (I tried two cuz I didnt know which one would work)

Later

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/prawcess65/cs_of...

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June 11, 2007 9:01:16 PM

WOW, you either were playing DM or you really liked it... :D 

CSS is really one of the only games that my computer can run, so thats what I usually play. BF2 or 2142 both respectively look like shit, so i don't enjoy playing them. to me, CSS is just illogically fun. i don't know why.

BUT, i wanted to thank you for serving. i have a question: which game has more realistic weapons? CSS or BF2? just curious.
June 11, 2007 9:40:52 PM

Yeah I got to admit, that was the best I've ever done on CS. I was "in the zone", the little one wasn't interrupting me, the Wife was content watching some show.. Good times. It was on that XXLPros.net Deathmatch server. I dont have the IP as I'm at work right now. But they got this weird mod. I think its a mod, unless they've changed CS in between the last time I had played (which was like 3 months ago) and when that screen shot was taken (which was like 2 weeks ago, thank goodness I could ftp into my fileserver to grab the pics!!)

Well, with this mod, as SOON as you died, you respawned somewhere right away. In the picture I am using that bullpup gun, but for the majority of the kills I was using the sniper that lets you fire fully semi-auto, the SG something I think. (cant remember the name) On most servers I've found its deactivated, but on this particular one, ALL the weapons are activated, and you can pick your primary and secondary when you first spawn. No buying weapons or anything (although you can buy nades). Its definitely a different sort of deal and well worth checking out if you want something different out of CS.

As far as weapons, I think the M249 SAW in BF:2 is about as close to realistic as it gets. My buddy and I were sharing about 25% of the sector to my right and his left, and we were able to hold it completely down, with the assault guy using his 203 to cover the dead zone. (dead zone is any part of your sector you cant visually see due to cover or elevation changes in the terrain) The weapon and the fact that we were communicating constantly, well, thats as close to real as you can get in a game IMO.

In the Infantry we got a few sayings, 4 is 2, 2 is 1, and 1 is dead. (that should be self explanatory. And also (this is part of a marching cadence)
1, 2, 3, 4 Ready, Aim, Squeeze, FIRE!
1, 2, 3, 4 Shoot, Move, Communicate*, KILL!

*Note the above word Communicate, which is the main difference between BF:2 and CS at least for me. CS is like running around halphazard, no real rhyme or reason, whereas BF:2, that just lets you stumble around into various pre-prepared lanes of fire and you end up someones kill.

When I play paintball and I team up with these two Marines, people whine when we are on the same team because for some reason that team always wins. All we did (since we didnt all know the same signals) is come up with a few hand signals amongst the three of us, and just made sure that one of us could always see the other. That way, if I'm number 2, I need to have 1 and 3 in my line of sight somewhere. So if 3 wants to tell one to start moving on the left flank while he holds down the right, *I* am the one to send that communication.

I'm confident if I could get my team from BF:2 trained up on CS we would own any map/ server we went on. Trouble is, they dont want to waste the time as they see it as just being full of tards with aimbots or a bunch of teens running around.. I can see their point. Although, as I stated before, if I take the game for what it is, I seem to do ok.
June 17, 2007 1:37:15 AM

I hate CS but love DoD its just awsome.
June 17, 2007 1:59:44 AM

I certainly plan on getting the game. It looks like fun. I'm intersted to see what I think about it :D 
June 17, 2007 3:02:24 AM

it should have come with ur cs source cd.
June 17, 2007 3:49:28 PM

Nah, I bought a pack that came with HL2, Hl1, Hl1: Source, Hl1 Dm, Hl2 Dm, Hl2: Episode 1 (which I haven't played yet because my video card won't do it justice :cry:  ), and Counter Strike: Source. No Day of Defeat; I plan to buy it when I get a few bucks... which should be a while... :cry: 

...but I AM looking forward to getting it! And, I really want Black Mesa and Portal. Those games look mind-bogglingly awesome. But they come later. Much later.
June 17, 2007 4:33:00 PM

yeah i need to get hl2 and episode 1. i wanna get it before episode 2 comes out.
June 17, 2007 5:05:21 PM

You better hurry, I think its coming out soon! :D 

And, if you haven't seen Portal yet, check this video out. When I first heard about it, I wasn't so enthused. But, watch this!!! OMG!! 8O :D 
June 17, 2007 8:28:30 PM

now i have to get Portal too. that would be even better if it had some form of multiplayer.
June 17, 2007 10:18:03 PM

lol sorry for making you spend more of your money :( 

hint: i think it comes in a certain pack with episode 2... it may cost a bundle, though, those packs sometimes do... idk. may be worth checking out ^_^
June 18, 2007 3:04:06 AM

CS:S < DoD < Red Orchestra

IMO, of course, but it really feels like the better game.
June 18, 2007 5:29:48 AM

ep 2 comes out 10-?-07
June 18, 2007 1:24:10 PM

Thanks Anton :D 

And, isn't it true that Red Orchestra doesn't have crosshairs? 8O I know that its more realistic, but... daymn, that would take some getting used to. Truth be told, I've never really played that many games, due to money constrictions and the crappiness of my rig, so I really don't know if I like WWII games, or crosshairless games, or what not. I guess I'll add that game to my list of things to try in the future (where the future is when I magically get money and a better computer) :lol: 
June 19, 2007 8:28:34 AM

You would think not having a crosshair would be a bad idea since the people who like to cheat would put little dots on there monitor.
June 19, 2007 11:36:17 AM

lol I've done that with the auto-snipe in CSS before.... :D 
June 19, 2007 1:22:34 PM

so thats how those guys awp'd me so close... and i thought it was skill... jk
June 19, 2007 1:31:40 PM

lol... IDK. I personally hate awpers, because I'm so used to playing on Non-Awp servers, and also because I suck so bad with it myself :lol: . Noscopes make me cry, though... almost as much as nadekills. Knifes, meh, they're not so humiliating anymore.

The only time that I've done the dot thing is at a LAN party where my friends were ganging up on me... I play fair online.
June 19, 2007 3:29:45 PM

although i loathe awpers. i do realize their potential as ways to counteract stalemates. i used to play a lot of dust maps with awps and autos disabled and in the tunnels there would always be a massive bottleneck. and without awps i usually get zero shotgun kills because everyone either uses a m4 or an ak. yes im that guy with the pump action shotty. i use that and the p90 almost exclusively.
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