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May 11, 2004 4:07:10 AM

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Here's the latest PRL analysis. Michigan improved by adding RFB as
Extended Network instead of roaming in the NE part of the lower
pennisula. UP remains the same. I find it odd (but not surprising as
who knows that kind of contract they have with RFB) that they are using
RFB instead of Alltel. Personally I would like to see Alltel for the
entire state just for consistancy, but I'll take what I get for now.

PRL 50160 has been released and here are the changes compared to PRL
50154. Some of the details of the SIDs were obtained from
www.justalurker.com and www.mountainwireless.com and
http://www.ifast.org/SIDtables.htm Some changes in priority and changes
from A to D/A may not be noted along with any other changes that I may
have missed.

This is a pretty good sized change. Lots of changes we were expecting
and some surprises too. For the most part it's all good news. The main
removal in Sprint from Minneapolis and Wisconsin and USCC from Iowa.
Some Mexican roaming was added, but this could be part of the North
America's Choice plan. Some Louisiana coverage was added along with PCS
in Washington. The following areas had changed from Roaming to Extended
Network: Louisiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Alabama. A few areas added
digital coverage and a few shifts in priority.

VZW = Verizon native area - no triangle
FR = Free roam/extended network - flashing triangle
RM = Roaming - solid triangle
NEG = Negative Entry - will not roam on this provider
A = Analog Only
D/A = Digital/Analog
D = Digital Only
PCS = PCS

--------------------------------------------------------
The following areas that were FR were dropped.
--------------------------------------------------------
303 D/A United States Cellular Corporation
195A Cedar Rapids IA
195 D/A United States Cellular Corporation
102A Des Moines IA
1235 D/A **United States Cellular MITCHEL IA
1237 D/A United States Cellular Corporation
425A Iowa 14 - Kossuth
389 D/A United States Cellular Corporation
296A Iowa City IA
414A Iowa 3 - Monroe
415A Iowa 4 - Muscatine
417A Iowa 6 - Iowa
422A Iowa 11 - Hardin
4155 PCS SprintPCS - Minneapolis MN
SCAN 50A 200A 25A
4153 PCS SprintPCS - Milwaukee WI
SCAN 50A 200A 25A 250A
4198 PCS SprintPCS - Wichita KS
SCAN 500B 550B 425B 575B 650B

--------------------------------------------------------
The following areas that were RM were dropped.
--------------------------------------------------------
8863 A Commnet of Florida LLC. Brown Nietert & Kaufman, Chartered
370A Florida 11 - Monroe

--------------------------------------------------------
The following areas were added as RM.
--------------------------------------------------------
24617 D Movitel HERMOSILLO MX
24619 D Movitel NOGALES-SONORA MX
24621 D Movitel OBREGON-SONORA MX
24623 D Movitel NAVOJOA MX
24625 D Movitel GUAMUCHIL MX
24709 D Movitel GUAYMAS MX
24579 D Unknown in Mexico
1396 D/A NORTHWEST MISSOURI CELLULAR LIMITED PARTNERSHIP Kurtis &
Associates, P.C.
504B Missouri 1 - Atchison
146 A CINGULAR WIRELESS LLC
605B Oklahoma 10 - Haskell
045B Oklahoma City, OK
598B Oklahoma 3 - Grant
604B Oklahoma 9 - Garvin
24 A Cingular Wireless LLC
012B Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood, FL
072B West Palm Beach-Boca Raton, FL
370B Florida 11 - Monroe
360B Florida 1 - Collier
361B Florida 2 - Glades
24583 D Unknown in Mexico
24585 D Unknown in Mexico
24627 D Unknown in Mexico
24629 D Unknown in Mexico
24633 D Unknown in Mexico
24635 D Unknown in Mexico
24637 D Unknown in Mexico
24639 D Unknown in Mexico
24643 D Unknown in Mexico
24735 D Unknown in Mexico
24737 D Unknown in Mexico
24739 D Unknown in Mexico
24595 D Unknown in Mexico
24631 D Unknown in Mexico
24641 D Unknown in Mexico
24645 D Unknown in Mexico
24703 D Movitel GUASAVE MX
24705 D Movitel LOS MOCHIS MX
24707 D Movitel MAZATLAN MX
24745 D Unknown in Mexico

--------------------------------------------------------
The following areas were added as FR.
--------------------------------------------------------
30524 D/A Alltel / CenturyTel Wireless COLUMBIA LA
400 A Unwired Telecom Corp. BLOOSTON, MORDKOFSKY, JACKSON & DICKENS
197B Lake Charles, LA
414 A Cingular Wireless LLC
459B Louisiana 6 - Iberville
458B Louisiana 5 - Beauregard
174B Lafayette, LA
6047 D Verizon Wireless - Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------------------
The following areas were added as VZW.
--------------------------------------------------------
222 PCS Verizon Wireless
109B Spokane WA
695B Washington 3 - Ferry

--------------------------------------------------------
The following areas changed from RM to FR.
--------------------------------------------------------
1812 A Midwest Wireless MENOMONIE WI
1337 D/A RFB Cellular Inc
475A Michigan 4 - Cheboygan
2094 PCS Pine Belt Wireless
2094 D/A Pine Belt Wireless
309B Alabama 3 - Lamar
1013 A RCC Wireless
313A Alabama 7 - Butler
1005 A RCC Wireless
309A Alabama 3 - Lamar
1299 A Centennial Communications
174A Lafayette LA
205A Alexandria LA
455A Louisiana 2 - Morehouse
456A Louisiana 3 - De Soto
457A Louisiana 4 - Caldwell
458A Louisiana 5 - Beauregard
459A Louisiana 6 - Iberville
460A Louisiana 7 - West Feliciana
500A Mississippi 8 - Claiborne
501A Mississippi 9 - Copiah
318 D/A AllTel Communications (Also moved up in priority)
232B Eau Claire WI
708B Wisconsin 1 - Burnett
709B Wisconsin 2 - Bayfield
712B Wisconsin 5 - Pierce


--------------------------------------------------------
The following RM areas changed from A to D/A.
--------------------------------------------------------
1290 D/A Appalachian Wireless
451B Kentucky 9 - Elliott
452B Kentucky 10 - Powell
1408 D/A Mid-Missouri Cellular
024B Kansas City MO-KS
510B Missouri 7 - Saline

--------------------------------------------------------
The following FR areas changed from A to D/A.
--------------------------------------------------------
1522 D/A North Carolina RSA 3
566B North Carolina 2 - Yancey
567B North Carolina 3 - Ashe
1024 D/A Mohave Cellular LP
318B Arizona 1 - Mohave

--------------------------------------------------------
The following FR areas split from D/A to two entries of
D and A. The D is at the same priority, A went lower.
--------------------------------------------------------
1148 D and A AllTel Communications
380B Georgia 10 - Bleckley

--------------------------------------------------------
The following FR areas moved up in priority.
--------------------------------------------------------
240 D/A AllTel Communications
125B Appleton-Oskosh-Neenah WI
186B Green Bay WI
710B Wisconsin 3 - Vilas
714B Wisconsin 7 - Wood
716B Wisconsin 9 - Columbia
1818 D/A AllTel Communications
715B Wisconsin 8 - Vernon

--------------------------------------------------------
The following RM areas moved up in priority.
--------------------------------------------------------
396 D/A AllTel Communications
290B La Crosse WI
713B Wisconsin 6 - Trempealeau


Rich

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Anonymous
May 11, 2004 4:07:11 AM

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Rich <mathwhiz@mathwhiz.org> wrote in message news:<NOUnc.22760$536.4193449@attbi_s03>...
> --------------------------------------------------------
> The following areas that were FR were dropped.
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 4155 PCS SprintPCS - Minneapolis MN
> SCAN 50A 200A 25A
> 4153 PCS SprintPCS - Milwaukee WI
> SCAN 50A 200A 25A 250A
> 4198 PCS SprintPCS - Wichita KS
> SCAN 500B 550B 425B 575B 650B

I assume that the PRL removal of Sprint PCS Minneapolis-St. Paul MTA
SID 4155 indicates that RCC's CDMA1x 800 overlay is in place in
upstate Minnesota, replacing the spiderweb of SPCS highway coverage.

VZW's Wichita CMA native coverage is limited to only two counties, but
ALLTEL has extensive coverage throughout all of the surrounding rural
counties, such that SPCS was never really necessary.

The other geographically prominent development - judging from
comparison of an older AC map w/ the current AC map - appears that
Pioneer/Enid Cellular has completed its CDMA1x 800 overlay,
transforming a large segment in northwestern Oklahoma that was
previously billable AMPS roaming to CDMA coverage included under AC.

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Anonymous
May 11, 2004 6:35:15 AM

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On Tue, 11 May 2004 00:07:10 GMT, Rich <mathwhiz@mathwhiz.org> wrote:

>--------------------------------------------------------
>The following areas that were RM were dropped.
>--------------------------------------------------------
>8863 A Commnet of Florida LLC. Brown Nietert & Kaufman, Chartered
> 370A Florida 11 - Monroe
<snip>
>--------------------------------------------------------
>The following areas were added as RM.
>--------------------------------------------------------
<snip>
>146 A CINGULAR WIRELESS LLC
> 605B Oklahoma 10 - Haskell
> 045B Oklahoma City, OK
> 598B Oklahoma 3 - Grant
> 604B Oklahoma 9 - Garvin
>24 A Cingular Wireless LLC
> 012B Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood, FL
> 072B West Palm Beach-Boca Raton, FL
> 370B Florida 11 - Monroe
> 360B Florida 1 - Collier
> 361B Florida 2 - Glades
<snip>
>--------------------------------------------------------
>The following areas were added as FR.
>--------------------------------------------------------
<snip>
>400 A Unwired Telecom Corp. BLOOSTON, MORDKOFSKY, JACKSON & DICKENS
> 197B Lake Charles, LA
(US Unwired's 850 system is now Cingular's -SC)
>414 A Cingular Wireless LLC
> 459B Louisiana 6 - Iberville
> 458B Louisiana 5 - Beauregard
> 174B Lafayette, LA

I find it absolutely *amazing* that VZW is putting Cingular SIDs in as
Extended Network, given the way the two hate each other. (Cingular is
actually *preferred over Centennial* in SW Louisiana!) Of course,
Cingular is now roaming on VZW in select areas as well, such as
southwestern VA, where Cingular neg'd ALLTEL and so had no choice but
to allow roaming on VZW. Cingular still hasn't opened up VZW in east
TN, but Cingular as of their most recent IRDB forbids ALL carriers in
east TN other than Cingular itself, SunCom, and Commnet Wireless in
Mountain City. I can't recommend Cingular for coverage in east TN for
that reason...of course, VZW has always been king of east TN. ;)  )

>222 PCS Verizon Wireless
> 109B Spokane WA
> 695B Washington 3 - Ferry

Hmm...I wonder if this PCS coverage is in Inland Cellular's service
area. (VZW seems to have some real issues with Inland -- preferring
analog roaming on AT&T and RCC over Inland in PRLs, etc. -- which is
very odd since Inland is CDMA.)

>--------------------------------------------------------
>The following areas changed from RM to FR.
>--------------------------------------------------------
<snip>
>2094 PCS Pine Belt Wireless
>2094 D/A Pine Belt Wireless
> 309B Alabama 3 - Lamar
>1013 A RCC Wireless
> 313A Alabama 7 - Butler
>1005 A RCC Wireless
> 309A Alabama 3 - Lamar
>1299 A Centennial Communications
> 174A Lafayette LA
> 205A Alexandria LA
> 455A Louisiana 2 - Morehouse
> 456A Louisiana 3 - De Soto
> 457A Louisiana 4 - Caldwell
> 458A Louisiana 5 - Beauregard
> 459A Louisiana 6 - Iberville
> 460A Louisiana 7 - West Feliciana
> 500A Mississippi 8 - Claiborne
> 501A Mississippi 9 - Copiah

These AL/MS/LA changes make me *extremely* happy -- since Kentucky got
fixed, these were the few holes in AC left that I have had to deal
with. Not anymore! :) 

>--------------------------------------------------------
>The following RM areas changed from A to D/A.
>--------------------------------------------------------
>1290 D/A Appalachian Wireless
> 451B Kentucky 9 - Elliott
> 452B Kentucky 10 - Powell

So when the heck is Appalachian going to join Bluegrass and Ramcell as
Extended Network? :( 

>1522 D/A North Carolina RSA 3
> 566B North Carolina 2 - Yancey
> 567B North Carolina 3 - Ashe

aka Carolina West Wireless...

>1024 D/A Mohave Cellular LP
> 318B Arizona 1 - Mohave

Finally!

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Anonymous
May 11, 2004 11:40:41 AM

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On Tue, 11 May 2004 00:07:10 GMT, Rich <mathwhiz@mathwhiz.org> wrote:

>PRL 50160 has been released and here are the changes compared to PRL
>50154.


I have a 6035 and with a *228, I still have PRL 42035.

Is this because my phone is a tri mode? Or am I missing something?

Thanks.

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May 11, 2004 5:59:52 PM

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On Tue, 11 May 2004 00:07:10 GMT, Rich <mathwhiz@mathwhiz.org> wrote:

>--------------------------------------------------------
>The following areas that were FR were dropped.
>--------------------------------------------------------
>303 D/A United States Cellular Corporation
> 195A Cedar Rapids IA
>195 D/A United States Cellular Corporation
> 102A Des Moines IA
>1235 D/A **United States Cellular MITCHEL IA
>1237 D/A United States Cellular Corporation
> 425A Iowa 14 - Kossuth
>389 D/A United States Cellular Corporation
> 296A Iowa City IA
> 414A Iowa 3 - Monroe
> 415A Iowa 4 - Muscatine
> 417A Iowa 6 - Iowa
> 422A Iowa 11 - Hardin

I'm curious...why did USCC get dropped in Iowa, and what coverage
replaces this? I'm pretty sure I ran into this coverage when I was on
a train going through Iowa in the past few months...

Mike
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May 11, 2004 6:09:21 PM

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"Andrew Shepherd" <cinema@ku.edu> wrote in message
news:33e89561.0405102230.585b19ac@posting.google.com...
> Rich <mathwhiz@mathwhiz.org> wrote in message
news:<NOUnc.22760$536.4193449@attbi_s03>...
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > The following areas that were FR were dropped.
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > 4155 PCS SprintPCS - Minneapolis MN
> > SCAN 50A 200A 25A
> > 4153 PCS SprintPCS - Milwaukee WI
> > SCAN 50A 200A 25A 250A
> > 4198 PCS SprintPCS - Wichita KS
> > SCAN 500B 550B 425B 575B 650B
>
> I assume that the PRL removal of Sprint PCS Minneapolis-St. Paul MTA
> SID 4155 indicates that RCC's CDMA1x 800 overlay is in place in
> upstate Minnesota, replacing the spiderweb of SPCS highway coverage.

The updated local digital maps now show many areas (although not all) in
RCC's territory as digital - some very rural areas show the characteristic
"cell-within-a-cell" coverage representation of the average CDMA-over -AMPS
800 overlay (as an aside, an Engineer at VZW told me once that certain CDMA
antenna arrays achieve at least equivalent coverage to AMPS on rural cells -
when they're "naked" - or aren't loaded at all). I am still trying to figure
out what they are doing in the St. Cloud area - I think CMS has more or less
finished their CDMA 800 overlay as well and is now FR (at least I though I
saw this in a previous PRL update). All other things being equal, I would
rather have CDMA at 800 in rural areas than at 1900, so I don't think I'll
miss the SPCS (FR) coverage...

As another aside, local VZW business reps claim that there will be 1x
roaming in place with both MWW and RCC by the end of summer. That would make
my Blackberry users in MN happy!

-Jon

> VZW's Wichita CMA native coverage is limited to only two counties, but
> ALLTEL has extensive coverage throughout all of the surrounding rural
> counties, such that SPCS was never really necessary.
>
> The other geographically prominent development - judging from
> comparison of an older AC map w/ the current AC map - appears that
> Pioneer/Enid Cellular has completed its CDMA1x 800 overlay,
> transforming a large segment in northwestern Oklahoma that was
> previously billable AMPS roaming to CDMA coverage included under AC.
>
> Andrew
> --
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> cinema@ku.edu
> cinema@sprintpcs.com
> http://www.wirelesswavelength.com/
May 11, 2004 8:26:58 PM

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Evan Platt wrote:
> I have a 6035 and with a *228, I still have PRL 42035.
>
> Is this because my phone is a tri mode? Or am I missing something?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Evan

The PRL version you have makes it sound like you have a local plan
instead of America's choice. The PRL versions are plan specific. If
you have America's Choice and an ERI capable phone you should have
50160, other wise your PRL version will differ. Normally the PRLS that
start with 4 are for local plans or older regional plans.

Rich
Anonymous
May 11, 2004 10:27:01 PM

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We roam on RFB cellular in the NE corner of the LP in MI because of an
ancient contract with them, back when Verizon was Airtouch around
here. According to the escape clause of the contract, RFB phones can
roam on verizon, and verizon will roam on RFB above alltel unless a
carrier offers greater coverage in the area they have signed with RFB.
I dont care as long as its digital extended network personally -
although it makes me wonder why I dont have alltel, I'm just afraid to
lose my great urban coverage from verizon.
May 12, 2004 12:38:40 AM

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Mike wrote:
> On Tue, 11 May 2004 00:07:10 GMT, Rich <mathwhiz@mathwhiz.org> wrote:
>
>
>>--------------------------------------------------------
>>The following areas that were FR were dropped.
>>--------------------------------------------------------
>>303 D/A United States Cellular Corporation
>> 195A Cedar Rapids IA
>>195 D/A United States Cellular Corporation
>> 102A Des Moines IA
>>1235 D/A **United States Cellular MITCHEL IA
>>1237 D/A United States Cellular Corporation
>> 425A Iowa 14 - Kossuth
>>389 D/A United States Cellular Corporation
>> 296A Iowa City IA
>> 414A Iowa 3 - Monroe
>> 415A Iowa 4 - Muscatine
>> 417A Iowa 6 - Iowa
>> 422A Iowa 11 - Hardin
>
>
> I'm curious...why did USCC get dropped in Iowa, and what coverage
> replaces this? I'm pretty sure I ran into this coverage when I was on
> a train going through Iowa in the past few months...
>
> Mike

I read somewhere else that they suspect that these removal of SIDs are
just obsolete ones and that USCC has consolidated to use fewer SIDs.
From looking at what is left in the PRL, I would tend to believe this,
but without actually having knowledge or experience of that area in
detail, I have no more idea than my speculation. USCC SID 1211 is still
in the PRL.

Rich
Anonymous
May 12, 2004 4:39:44 AM

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"Jon Clark" <jsclarkNOSPAM@visi.com> wrote in message news:<40a124e4$0$8517$a18e6209@authen.newsreader.visi.com>...
>
> The updated local digital maps now show many areas (although not all) in
> RCC's territory as digital - some very rural areas show the characteristic
> "cell-within-a-cell" coverage representation of the average CDMA-over -AMPS
> 800 overlay (as an aside, an Engineer at VZW told me once that certain CDMA
> antenna arrays achieve at least equivalent coverage to AMPS on rural cells -
> when they're "naked" - or aren't loaded at all).

Regarding the "cell-within-a-cell" phenomena, there really is little
reason that CDMA cannot equal or exceed the effective coverage of
AMPS. "Effective" is the key word, however. AMPS coverage maps are
likely based upon 32 dBu contours filed w/ the FCC. For reference, 32
dBu at 850 MHz is -101.5 dBm - almost assuredly a very noisy fading
channel on a narrowband analog interface. Thus, the full extents of
the AMPS contours are truly effective coverage only for the likes of
3W phones - but not particularly high S/N or QoS for even the
bagphones at the limits of contours.

Andrew
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cinema@sprintpcs.com
http://www.wirelesswavelength.com/
Anonymous
May 12, 2004 5:26:05 AM

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Rich <mathwhiz@mathwhiz.org> wrote in message news:<kRaoc.14954$UQ.749014@attbi_s51>...
>
> I read somewhere else that they suspect that these removal of SIDs are
> just obsolete ones and that USCC has consolidated to use fewer SIDs.
> From looking at what is left in the PRL, I would tend to believe this,
> but without actually having knowledge or experience of that area in
> detail, I have no more idea than my speculation. USCC SID 1211 is still
> in the PRL.

But USCC Des Moines SID 195 was one of those dropped. If SID
consolidation were taking place, I would expect the Des Moines SID to
take precedence. Then again, perhaps much of USCC in the upper
midwest could be consolidated under USCC Milwaukee SID 5.

Another possibility is that the combination of VZW plus Midwest
Wireless covers essentially the same area as USCC in Iowa. And
Midwest Wireless recently completed its CDMA1x 800 overlay.

http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/midwest.html

Once someone actually decodes PRL 50160, the results should become
clear.

Andrew
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cinema@sprintpcs.com
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Anonymous
May 12, 2004 11:21:43 PM

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jeff <jeff_philNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> "KP" <KyleDP123@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:66893a6c.0405111727.1b8d3c50@posting.google.com...
>> We roam on RFB cellular in the NE corner of the LP in MI because of an
>> ancient contract with them, back when Verizon was Airtouch around
>> here. According to the escape clause of the contract, RFB phones can
>> roam on verizon, and verizon will roam on RFB above alltel unless a
>> carrier offers greater coverage in the area they have signed with RFB.
>> I dont care as long as its digital extended network personally -
>> although it makes me wonder why I dont have alltel, I'm just afraid to
>> lose my great urban coverage from verizon.
>
> I thought Alltel had the best coverage up north.

They do, and Verizon can get inexpensive roaming through them due to a couple
of sweet deals inked about the time Verizon came into being, but I gather
from what I've heard here that Verizon's contractually obligated to finish
the contract term with RFB. (And they don't want to get hit with an ETF,
now do they? :) 

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