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<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:409af416.48003850@news.charter.net...
> But how much memory is installed in the Pavilion 512n? The original 128MB
> delivered with the system is a pathetic excuse for the memory required to
run XP
> Home. Double the memory to 256MB and you will see a difference. Kick it
up
> (well, the great Emeril does it all the time) to 512MB, and you'll see
some more
> improvement.
>
> Windows XP Home is a tarted up Windows 2000. It is loaded with bloated
32-bit
> Microsoft-written code. A name-brand company has absolutely no excuse for
> selling an XP or 2000 computer with a puny 128MB! Except they can compete
> better on price by selling an underconfigured system. Running XPee
bloatware in
> an extremely constrained 128MB almost guarantees a lot of page file
activity.
> The hard disk light flashes a lot?
>
> Whatever version of Windows you are running on the other computer, 95, 98,
or
> ME, rest assured that it is leaner and meaner than XPee. This probably
accounts
> for most of the perceived slow performance of the 512n.
>
> Other lesser factors are a badly fragmented and even more bloated
registry, and
> a highly fragmented page file. The sad excuse for a disk defragger
shipped with
> Windows XP does a poorer job of defragging than the Windows 2000 version.
> Somebody must have crippled it before shipment. Microsoft and Executive
> Software, original publsiher of Diskeeper, must have made the deal to
include
> the Lite version in XPee.
>
> Neither the XP nor the 2000 defragger can defragment system files, i.e.
the page
> file and all the registry hives. For that, you need SysInternals'
PageFrag.
> If you can get over being pissed off at Executive Software for its sad
XPee
> version of Diskeeper, they sell a real defragger for real money. But all
of
> this presupposes some badly fragmented files, system or otherwise. But
file
> fragmentation can kill system performance... Ben Myers
>
> On Thu, 06 May 2004 21:00:45 -0400, ohaya <ohaya_NO_SPAM@NO_SPAM_cox.net>
wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Mark Bilger wrote:
> >>
> >> <ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >> news:409982eb.23849134@news.charter.net...
> >> > What the original message is talking about is a Socket 370 Celeron
running
> >> at
> >> > 1.4GHz. Socket 478 Celery chips were never made to run that slow,
AFAIK.
> >> The
> >> > 1.4GHz Celeron runs with 100MHz FSB, and has 128K Level 2 cache, not
a
> >> lot, but
> >> > sufficient for many uses.
> >> >
> >> > As far as the Celeron P4 is concerned, beauty is in the eye of the
> >> beholder.
> >> > For a great many people, the Celeron P4 is fast enough and offers
good
> >> value for
> >> > the price. For others, especially gamers and heavy-duty number
crunching
> >> types,
> >> > it stinks. If one is doing the usual mix of office work, a Celeron
is
> >> just
> >> > fine, 'cause the delays and bottlenecks lie elsewhere in the overall
> >> system,
> >> > bottlenecks in the network, the server, the internet, etc.
> >> >
> >> > Note that HP thought enough of the Socket 370 Celeron to use it in
the
> >> Pavilion
> >> > 512n.
> >> >
> >> > Don't be so quick to tar and feather the Celeron. Just say it's not
good
> >> enough
> >> > for you... Ben Myers
> >> >
> >>
> >> Ben,
> >>
> >> Socket 370 Celeron is a decent performer, I didn't realize the
switch to
> >> Socket 478 came about that late. Different story, the 370 Celeron
should be
> >> performing at about 95% of the equivalent P3 in general use, no real
reason
> >> to replace it.
> >> I do stand by what I said about the P4 Celeron, though, a Duron 900
was
> >> outperforming the 1.8GHz P4 Celeron in almost every test I saw. ;-)
> >> Sorry for my confusion, I should have done some research first and
seen
> >> this was a Socket 370 system.
> >>
> >> E-vil
> >
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >So, if this is a Socket 370 Celeron, and it's a decent performer, any
> >other ideas beyond what has been posted for trying to improve
> >performance?
> >
> >I've updated the graphics controller with the latest from the
> >support.intel.com, and installed the Application Accelerator, and I
> >think it is a bit faster than it was before (my subjective testing
> >involves opening an IE window), but it still seems a bit slower than my
> >PIII-450.
> >
> >I'm still thinking 7200 RPM hard drive (tho the 450 also has a 5400RPM
> >drive) and maybe a better video card.
> >
> >FYI, I've resolved the network speed problem. After testing with other
> >machines on my network, it looks like there's some kind of slowdown with
> >our cablemodem service. Service guy is coming out tomorrow to try to
> >resolve that.
> >
> >I'd love to 'downgrade' him to Win2K, but the machine is used by my son
> >and his wife, and she's somewhat attached to the WinXP 'eye candy', so I
> >don't know if they'd go for that...
> >
> >Jim
>
I agree with Ben, if you're running XP, get 512Mb of RAM for any decent
(non-page swapping) performance. I haven't tried running XP on 128Mb of RAM,
personally, but I'm positive it will be a major performance hit to do so.
7200RPM drive vs. 4500/5400 isn't going to do a lot to improve performance,
in my opinion, unless you have sufficient RAM first (and even then it's not
going to be a huge increase). A better video card will only help with 3D
applications, all desktop/2D cards are basically equal in performance, in my
experience.
Good luck, I think the RAM upgrade is you're wisest choice for improving
system performance.
E-vil