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July 24, 2007 8:22:14 AM

It seems like pc gaming level its lowering, Consoles are haveing huge sales over pc's . What will happen ???

NO MORE CS !! :ouch: 

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July 24, 2007 9:01:52 AM

Bill with your fingers in so many pie$ it shouldn't worry you too much.

But no PC gaming will be around and out live the current range of consoles. Have of the fun in PC gaming is building the bloody thing in the first place - a game in its self!

If there is one thing worse than a PC with problems it would be a PC without problems!
July 24, 2007 11:55:41 AM

lol, i've been playing games since the commodore, every year, IS THIS THE YEAR THE PC IS GOING TO DIE?

Atari (in a limited way for 10$ at EB Games and radioscrap lol)
Commodore is not
NES is not
SNES is not
Sega whatever it's called is not
Sega Genesis is not
PSX is not
N64 is not
Gamecube fading..
Xbox fading..
PS2 fading more slowly..
PC is still around

Granted, it's not the same PC I was using back in the 3rd grade. BUT IT'S NOT DEAD, if anything, it will be consoles that will become the next VCRs or betamax players, damn they already are...
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July 24, 2007 1:06:15 PM

It will never die. The one thing I am worried about though is there will probably be more console ports to PC, and less dedicated development, and there will be sellouts like Call of Duty 3. How could they NOT make it for PC...a$$holes :kaola: 
July 24, 2007 6:05:23 PM

There are more examples farther back, like recently, have you ever seen the original halo movies before m$ bought them.. it looked promising. Then there's m$ again, mechwarrior 4... or is that on pc now?....... The games that go on the pc own though, crysis, not being ported, although theyll modify the engine to suit for the consoles. Ut3 i'm worried about, reminds me too much of unreal championship (xbox), but ill wait judgement till a demo comes out.
July 24, 2007 7:05:18 PM

There will always be enthusiasts out there. Lots of them. I have quite some faith in them (At least for the next 10 years). In my opinion, there is no serious gaming on a console. Shooters without mouse? What is that? Unless someone invents the next generation of input devices there is no way a console will even get close to a PC. And look at all the simulations. Console sure is arcade fun, but the real thing is still being released on the PC. No excuses there.
July 24, 2007 8:54:22 PM

morerevs said:
It will never die. The one thing I am worried about though is there will probably be more console ports to PC, and less dedicated development, and there will be sellouts like Call of Duty 3. How could they NOT make it for PC...a$$holes :kaola: 

apparently it wasn't acutually made by the ppl who made cod2 they just used the name to sell more
July 24, 2007 9:46:12 PM

morerevs said:
It will never die. The one thing I am worried about though is there will probably be more console ports to PC, and less dedicated development, and there will be sellouts like Call of Duty 3. How could they NOT make it for PC...a$$holes :kaola: 


Yeah, COD3 wasn't made by Activision and the company that did make it wasn't into the PC market. Activision is back for COD4 Modern Warfare. Should be a good one.
July 25, 2007 3:02:48 PM

PC and consoles will cooperate much better than now in near future, but will remain distinct markets for the next 10 years or more. For some games consoles are really good, but for some others they arent much of use, like MMORPG's (my favourite and the biggest online game market) is for PC mainly.
July 25, 2007 9:11:58 PM

The few games that have allowed console players to go against PC players, the console players have always, and will always be Ownz0red by the PC kids.

Blap blap
July 26, 2007 4:04:05 PM

My only concern with crossbreeds are that they are usually crippled for the PC. Mostly it's the inability to customize the controls. Lots of time they purposely alter the aiming system. One can only think they do this to "even the playing field" so PC gamers don't slaughter console gamers.

If proper code is implemented, aiming on a mouse is faster and more accurate then with an analog stick.

My biggest fear is that the crossbreed games will end up not using a mouse at all and require a console controller. Anyone ever really think about why the 360 controller works on a PC too....
July 26, 2007 4:43:01 PM

stromm said:
Anyone ever really think about why the 360 controller works on a PC too....


Because the primary market for the company that makes the 360 is the PC, and they choose to use an interface for their controllers that they are familiar with (USB)?

Just because the controller works on PC doesn't mean that Microsoft will change the way we PC game.

-TyShoe
July 26, 2007 4:50:36 PM

And let's not complain either - the 360 controller is pretty good. I got one to replace my aging Logitech Dual Action controller and the MS one is a lot better. More comfortable, more robust, hasn't needed recalibrating every 5 minutes and has a nice long cable.
July 26, 2007 8:19:40 PM

I've always found myself being a true PC gamer ever since 2nd grade. I've always loved them even now as I am studying to be a tech support guy. When I hear about is PC gaming dead, a new PC game comes out and shuts up the critics then consoles have to get a taste of the action. PC gaming is one of the most unusual forms of gaming I've seen next to card battling. PC parts go out of style in a month, games with huge system requirements, and mods with lights, sirens and smoke machines. It's all crazy but I want so bad to be part of that madness. So, to answer the question, nah it will be here to stay.
July 27, 2007 2:00:34 PM

Unless consoles become powerful enough to support hi-res quality graphics AND use a keyboard/mouse as the main input, there will always be games for PCs.
July 28, 2007 12:10:59 AM

If PC gaming is dying then what are ATI and nVidia doing going head to head in the video card wars. 8800 vs. 2900. If the PC was dead, then all they would be doing would be trying to win the contract for either Xbox 720 or the PS4
July 28, 2007 4:03:26 PM

Trialsking said:
If PC gaming is dying then what are ATI and nVidia doing going head to head in the video card wars. 8800 vs. 2900. If the PC was dead, then all they would be doing would be trying to win the contract for either Xbox 720 or the PS4


I agree. As long as we have ATi and NVidia there will always be games to play. When they stop making cards for the PC, then we are in trouble.
August 2, 2007 7:14:52 AM

I see in all the stores how PC games use to take up a whole wall, now there are regulated to a shelf thats falling apart, a basket, or 2-3 metal shelves. Plus a lot of games either dont make it to North America or get there release dates revolve worse than a revolving door. Then when a game is released it shows up weeks later and the store only has one or 2 copies. 10-15 years ago it would take 1hr to go thru the PC game titles at some stores now its less than a half hour. Ive been playing games since the IBM PCjr.

*If news comes out that the new xboxes, playstations, and nintendo's in the furture can have parts to buy and then build using the parts, I guess the fat lady will stop singing! :lol: 
August 2, 2007 11:54:12 AM

mikeny said:
I see in all the stores how PC games use to take up a whole wall, now there are regulated to a shelf thats falling apart, a basket, or 2-3 metal shelves. Plus a lot of games either dont make it to North America or get there release dates revolve worse than a revolving door. Then when a game is released it shows up weeks later and the store only has one or 2 copies. 10-15 years ago it would take 1hr to go thru the PC game titles at some stores now its less than a half hour. Ive been playing games since the IBM PCjr.

*If news comes out that the new xboxes, playstations, and nintendo's in the furture can have parts to buy and then build using the parts, I guess the fat lady will stop singing! :lol: 



Consoles = quantity.
August 2, 2007 1:21:04 PM

PC gaming is thriving, not dying. Just like what Trialsking said, the biggest hardware manufactuares (spelling :p ) are battling for a logo in the next Battlefield game, not a spot in the next Xbox.
August 2, 2007 4:14:47 PM

Strange I see PC games in 5-6 rows while console games only have 1-2 rows in Best Buy
August 2, 2007 6:16:30 PM

if the games didnt suck. lol. I mean, WoW?? Come on... people line up in droves to become addicted and brainwashed to a game like that, and all it does it squash the smaller more innovative studios.
August 2, 2007 6:33:33 PM

bfellow said:
Strange I see PC games in 5-6 rows while console games only have 1-2 rows in Best Buy


Um, what? Every Best Buy I've ever been to has one row dedicated to PC games, and granted, it's a big shelf, but console games have a HUGE section at the stores, much bigger than what is devoted to PC games. Retail has always favored console games because console titles are plug-and-play games for the masses, not for the technically minded PC enthusiast.

That said, I don't think PC gaming is dying. I just think we're in a part of the normal gaming cycle that we've seen before: big console manufacturers make new hardware platforms and court developers and publishers to take advantage of them, while PC gaming takes a back seat for a couple years. This has certainly been the case lately: just look at the Call of Duty 3 travesty -- no PC version -- or Splinter Cell : Double Agent, which was developed for the consoles first and had an absolutely awful, bug-infested PC version.

But remember, it's a cycle and the pendulum will swing back eventually. I think once Crysis comes out and people see what kind of games are capable on the new PC hardware with DX10, developers will begin to put more resources toward next-gen PC games. Plus, the MMO market is only going to get bigger. There are so many MMO titles out there in development right now for devs/pubs hoping to duplicate Blizzard's success.
August 3, 2007 2:49:01 AM

Im waiting to see if Star Trek Online is going to appear. It was being developed 2 years ago and said 2007 release but Im thinking its probably more like 2008. Perpetual is the company making it
August 3, 2007 1:18:23 PM

robwright said:
Um, what? Every Best Buy I've ever been to has one row dedicated to PC games, and granted, it's a big shelf, but console games have a HUGE section at the stores, much bigger than what is devoted to PC games. Retail has always favored console games because console titles are plug-and-play games for the masses, not for the technically minded PC enthusiast.

That said, I don't think PC gaming is dying. I just think we're in a part of the normal gaming cycle that we've seen before: big console manufacturers make new hardware platforms and court developers and publishers to take advantage of them, while PC gaming takes a back seat for a couple years. This has certainly been the case lately: just look at the Call of Duty 3 travesty -- no PC version -- or Splinter Cell : Double Agent, which was developed for the consoles first and had an absolutely awful, bug-infested PC version.

But remember, it's a cycle and the pendulum will swing back eventually. I think once Crysis comes out and people see what kind of games are capable on the new PC hardware with DX10, developers will begin to put more resources toward next-gen PC games. Plus, the MMO market is only going to get bigger. There are so many MMO titles out there in development right now for devs/pubs hoping to duplicate Blizzard's success.


The Best Buys I go to in Texas have 5-6 rows dedicated to PC games. Let me clarify the console part: 1-2 rows of console games/accessories per console. Fry's is about 50/50 though there is a gigantic number of PC and console games.
August 4, 2007 9:06:02 PM

The first post is somewhat correct. There is a "dumbing" down wave of games just for consoles. More and more developers are jumping on the band wagon and getting the PROFIT from the market. The PC market is losing it's profitability. If it actually gets to the point of there is no profit for making it for a pc, say good-bye. It's the nature of the business. More and more games are going from pc to console, not really any going from console to pc. Now if most people accept the "dumbing down" of games that will threaten the pc market. Just look at the sales console vs pc. Consoles are stomping the pc in sales. I see walls with sell over 8+ rows of CONSOLE games, just just 2-3 rows of pc games. Bottem line is if pc games stay profitable or not....
August 7, 2007 10:27:46 PM

Being an avid PC gamer it is indeed sad to see the gaming industry almost completely shifting away from PC games. However I feel the nature of PC games now is almost forcing this shift. New hardware launches every 6 months or so, and with that game developers push that latest hardware harder, it is more difficult to keep up now than it was even 3 years ago. Plus I imagine a "not insignificant" segment of PC gamers who have the knowledge to build/buy a system capable of maxing out games like STALKER and CRYSIS are getting their titles through other channels. There is a larger profit margin to be had on the console side, plus console titles stay at their unreasonably high prices longer. PC gaming will never die, I just hope it does not continue to get more isolated, with only 1 or 2 big titles a year and those designed to push the bleeding edge harder, loosing the less well financed gamers (like myself) in the process.

I can't give up my 360 though, there are just some games that work better on a console (or just have not been implemented as well on the PC, i.e. racing or fighting games). Plus XBL is very well done.
August 9, 2007 4:47:32 AM

computertech82 said:
The first post is somewhat correct. There is a "dumbing" down wave of games just for consoles. More and more developers are jumping on the band wagon and getting the PROFIT from the market. The PC market is losing it's profitability. If it actually gets to the point of there is no profit for making it for a pc, say good-bye. It's the nature of the business. More and more games are going from pc to console, not really any going from console to pc. Now if most people accept the "dumbing down" of games that will threaten the pc market. Just look at the sales console vs pc. Consoles are stomping the pc in sales. I see walls with sell over 8+ rows of CONSOLE games, just just 2-3 rows of pc games. Bottem line is if pc games stay profitable or not....


The only problem with your equation is that you don't factor in the publishing fees inherent in console games. we all know that consoles are usually sold at a loss (wii excepted) with the intention to recuperate and create profits with the sales of peripherals and games. Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft profit from developers in that they take a percentage of each game sold. so although the total console game sales might trump pc sales, the developers maybe be making less of a profit because a good percentage of the profit is being taken back. pc games, on the otherhand, do not suffer from large publishing fees as the developer controls all facets of the games it produces. The problem with the pc market today is that games are rushed and are released with too bugs (EA). The solution is to imitate Blizzard's business model as closely as possible.
August 9, 2007 4:36:28 PM

Well being a long time PC gamer and just getting my very first console (x360) tomorrow I'd say that PC gaming is in a decline. I think that the next generation of consoles will determine the fate of PC gaming. If they implement native support for mouse+keyboard and a bit more of the usuall stuff, remappable keys etc. Then I'd say the PC was in danger. But not for another few years (15+ atleast).

But putting that aside. The bulk of the game development has always been on the console side. PC being delegated to the world of RTS, FPS and MMO's.

One of the problems I think is that while the PC market is big developers don't know how many will be able to play their game. If you have so and so many million consoles you market a game for you know how many potential buyers you have.

And then you have to consider the piracy part in the picture. PC games are being pirated much easier then consoles. All you have to do for a PC game is replace a exe file in most cases. While for consoles you have to pay to chip it. Pay for a DVD burner and burn each game which has it's inherent difficulties. So less piracy on consoles.

That is the reason I believe that online games, mmo's and CS style, will be the last market left on PC.
August 10, 2007 7:06:50 PM

Check this out. A mouse+one-hand controller for the PS3. This still isn't as good as a mouse and keyboard, but it's a step in the right direction for console gaming.

http://www.gogamer.com/FragFX-Controller-for-PS3-Front-... 882444VVcatId444710VVviewprod.htm

I am a software engineer, and I predict that consoles won't "kill" PC gaming, but will rather merge with it. I think it will get to the point (soon) where releasing a game on a PC and a console will simply require two separate compilations of the same code. In order for this to work though, the interfaces need to converge. It's close, but not there yet.

August 11, 2007 2:23:33 AM

brick88 said:
The only problem with your equation is that you don't factor in the publishing fees inherent in console games. we all know that consoles are usually sold at a loss (wii excepted) with the intention to recuperate and create profits with the sales of peripherals and games. Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft profit from developers in that they take a percentage of each game sold. so although the total console game sales might trump pc sales, the developers maybe be making less of a profit because a good percentage of the profit is being taken back. pc games, on the otherhand, do not suffer from large publishing fees as the developer controls all facets of the games it produces. The problem with the pc market today is that games are rushed and are released with too bugs (EA). The solution is to imitate Blizzard's business model as closely as possible.


There are some drawbacks, in both. PCs it's typically we screwed up the game and it's not playable or barely playable (gothic 3 is a great example of that). So alot of profit is now to pay for the game fixes/patches. There is/was the games that you play online for free, again taking away profit running them. EA for example is dropping ALOT of servers even for online games release last year!! OUCH!

But a plus for the pc is more details and mods. But like I said, it's really about how the market goes, more ppl accept the console games, and not the pc, the pc games do become a little limited.
Now games like WoW, will probably run forever on the pc as long as ppl are willing to pay for the game, over, and over, and over, and over, etc. Just have to see how the market reacts.
August 11, 2007 7:31:50 AM

Hearing this **** from the past seven years.
August 11, 2007 2:18:04 PM

PC wont die. it will change though.
the linux side of things is picking up. if all goes well linux gaming will become more prominent too. and with pc games being more and more muliplatform. ie UT3 is set to work on MAC LINUX and Windows.
and with openGL 3 in the pipeline. for those that dont know opengl3 is set to support dx10 features on all platform. not just windows. im really hopeing this takes off. microsoft with the release of vista has just managed to make me and most of my friends think about changeing to linux. ubuntu.
also pc gameing we hope will start supporting real physics soon. PC is always on the very edge of technology, always.
also lots of games are now being released on multiple platforms. such as consoles and PCs.
and ofcourse any real good game has modding support. which will generally require a PC. so i dont see pc gameing dying. i think its just in a process of change as always.

August 11, 2007 4:04:35 PM

Intel already sold 1mil quad cores. A high end part.

So yeh, it aint dying anytime soon!
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