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August 13, 2007 1:33:01 PM

Im dissapointed to say the least.
It appears that Rockstar has no intentions of releasing GTA 4 for the PC.
IS the code for the X-Box 360 really so much different that they cannot code for both the X-Box 360, and the PC simultaniously using the same code?
If they can then whats going on?
Did Rockstar make a deal with Microsoft and Sony to make the game exclusive to only those two platforms, and if so wouldnt that limit their sales, considering all the loyal GTA PC gamers?
I know I am very unhappy considering GTA is one of my favorite game titles of all time.
Do they plan to port the game to PC at a later date, if so how long do we have to wait?
If they do not release it on PC then I guess my days of lawlessness, disorder and chaos are over, because Although I love gaming I refuse to buy a console, I am a PC guy through and through.
Sad are the days without GTA.

Sincerely
A disgruntled gamer.

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August 13, 2007 2:55:40 PM

pc will get gta4 like 1 or 2yrs after ps3 and xbox360 because they can sell more like this, if all 3 released the same period then its harder to sell because most people will download gta4 for pc. i know they can do that to ps3 or xbox360 but its a lot easier to download and play for pc.
August 13, 2007 10:57:26 PM

How can you actually seriously say the GTA games are your "favorite game titles of all time" and not know anything about their release cycles?

No GTA game since GTA3 has been simultaneously released on console and PC platforms. It does NOT happen. They release the console version, and then a year or two later the PC version is released.

Seriously though, how can you call yourself a "big fan" and not know that?
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August 14, 2007 12:27:55 PM


How can you actually seriously say the GTA games are your "favorite game titles of all time" and not know anything about their release cycles?

No GTA game since GTA3 has been simultaneously released on console and PC platforms. It does NOT happen. They release the console version, and then a year or two later the PC version is released.

Seriously though, how can you call yourself a "big fan" and not know that?


That was so snotty it doesnt deserve a response, go wipe your nose kidd its running.
August 14, 2007 6:25:16 PM

accu said:
pc will get gta4 like 1 or 2yrs after ps3 and xbox360 because they can sell more like this, if all 3 released the same period then its harder to sell because most people will download gta4 for pc. i know they can do that to ps3 or xbox360 but its a lot easier to download and play for pc.

One of reasons they never get my money because i dont want play 3 years old games.
August 14, 2007 8:35:21 PM

Why do you refuse to get a console? They have some of the best games out there. If you really love gaming, you should get one and see what you're missing. GTA 3 was released first on ps2 after all. Don't limit yourself to one platform. Pointless these days, especially with games like Halo 3, MGS 4 and the like soon to be released.
August 14, 2007 9:49:17 PM

I would much rather buy an 8800GTS than a PS3 or 360 for GTA4.

edit: on the other hand, i'd rather buy a PS3 for Gran Turismo 5 and MGS4
December 7, 2007 5:24:05 AM

the sad thing is console users think the gaming industry solely revolves around them. if you knew anything about the evolution of the graphics around video games the high quality gaming experience you have now is thanks to the pc. well the military and the pc industry. and acting like halo is a console game is stupid. it's a pc game same as quake and half life. the whole gaming industry for consoles is based on 3d modeling developed on and for pc. so if someone doesn't want to use a console you shouldn't act like they're a leper or stupid. the are staying loyal to the origins and their gaming preferences. frankly i find gameplay far superior on pc. i think consoles are for teenagers that stand in line like they have no life or no jobs just to get one a month or two before everyone else. console users should be kissing the pc industry's arse for the quality of games they get to play because of the pc.
December 7, 2007 8:47:22 PM

Hey, I'm a gamer too but I have to go with my studies in finance and disagree.

Game devellopers are not creating games because games are fun to play... regardless or the platform. They create games to make money and make a good profit.

Hence, as most of you know, PC suffers from illegal downloads/cracked game and the consumers get the product for free...actually what I mean is the producer does not get monetary exchange from these pirated products. Solution? Consoles...which is less subject to piracy.

Yes, it use to be about the exclusive right to have a game to a console and use to be the battle of which console has better games but you'll notice a lot more cross-platform games in the last year. Because it is more profitable to sell on both consoles right now. You'll also notice a trend for PC games is massive multiplayer games because it is easier for publishers to avoid fraud if you have to login to a server to play under your license agreement.

So, from a business point of view, to make as much profit as possible, you almost have to go with consoles. On the other hand, there is still a huge market in PC gaming... so it is in the publishers' best interest to cross platforms and sell in multiple markets...unless Microsoft and/or Sony make an even better proposal of purchasing exclusive rights to their platform.

As much as people love to download "free" pirated games, it hurts the PC industry a lot...and this is one of the consequences. Buy your PC games and you shall find more publishers showing interest in PC games...perhaps even launching them at the same time as consoles but I doubt people will change overnight.

Nota: Fraud is one of the main problems but exclusive right is another big reason of course. Microsoft and/or Sony pay huge amounts of money to publishers to get their rights. They also get a share of each game being sold and is once again much more profitable than the equivalent of the PC industry.
December 8, 2007 7:34:17 PM

Speculation:

Fear of Hot Coffee makes them drop the most moddable platform.
December 9, 2007 8:00:09 PM

Alex the PC Gamer, saying that the PC is the platform with the most pirated games is not true.
Do you know that EVERY SINGLE GAME for the X360, Wii, Xbox, PS2, PSP, and DS is shared online (not to mention the older consoles)? Sometimes even pre-release? Do you know how many people download the games for said consoles?
I can tell you right now, the two platforms that suffer from piracy the most are the PS2 and the X360, and not the PC. It is so easy nowadays to get almost any console cracked, and it's even easier to figure out where to get the games for free.
So the argument that the PC is easier to pirate for is not true, IMO.
All games for all the current platforms (except the PS3 which hasn't been cracked... yet) are easily cracked, copied and shared.

December 9, 2007 8:59:19 PM

bash007 said:
Alex the PC Gamer, saying that the PC is the platform with the most pirated games is not true.
Do you know that EVERY SINGLE GAME for the X360, Wii, Xbox, PS2, PSP, and DS is shared online (not to mention the older consoles)? Sometimes even pre-release? Do you know how many people download the games for said consoles?
I can tell you right now, the two platforms that suffer from piracy the most are the PS2 and the X360, and not the PC. It is so easy nowadays to get almost any console cracked, and it's even easier to figure out where to get the games for free.
So the argument that the PC is easier to pirate for is not true, IMO.
All games for all the current platforms (except the PS3 which hasn't been cracked... yet) are easily cracked, copied and shared.


True the most pirated consoles are probably the PS2 and X360, but the PC suffers from piracy to a much greater extent. All you need to do to play a PC game is download it and a crack for it. With consoles, you have to actually modify the console to be able to play those downloaded games or get some sort of software that bypasses its booting process with one of its own. Easier to get a file that modifies an executable or modified executable, than a piece of hardware that modifies a system. With a downloaded console game, you'd have to transfer the game to a hard disk or some kind of removable media (dvd, cd, etc). With a downloaded pc game, all you have to do is mount the image, install it and get a crack. You can find every single pc game ever made (even dos games) online, just as you can find every single console game online, but then I mean take a look at Halo 3, as an example. Why did Microsoft make so damn money on it? If it was so convenient to "crack" the X360, more people would have done it and Halo 3 would have been pirated like mad and sales would have been much lower. I have read up on how to modify a X360 (one particular way) and while its not that difficult, it does take an extra piece of hardware you have to purchase to be able to do it. Of course, as you know, this is just my opinion.
December 9, 2007 9:14:38 PM

I'll agree about console games being pirated increasingly in the last 2-3 years.

Piracy is a factor under many when publishers decide on which consoles to port the game to and is not limited to this particular factor. However, the PC platform is the most affected by piracy, unfortunately.

When publisher study the market, they have to please both the gamer and the purchaser as they are not always ONE.

Hence, would explain the hype of many big titles such as Halo and similar games where the publisher proves to the gamer that the game is extremely fun to play, but will target their selling advertising campaign to parents or adults that can usually better afford such product.
December 9, 2007 11:01:57 PM

Do any of you actually have numbers to back up your assertions about PC vs Console piracy, or is it all just opinion and speculation? I think some of you guys are painting with a rather broad brush without the slightest bit of evidence to back your claims.

Just about everyone I knew had a chipped PS1 and were buying silvers (pirated games) for a couple of bucks a piece. Piracy has been going on since the days of C64 and tape drives. Even more so since the advent of disc drives, then CD/DVD drives. I don't see these gaming behemoths going out of business.

Incidentally, I buy all of my games, PC or otherwise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xfqkdh5Js4 - Priceless....
December 10, 2007 1:16:18 PM

Numbers change every quarter. So I won't post numbers but I have researched the subject many times.

Krisboro, I'm glad you purchase you games. Publishers do not entirely look at piracy and which platform is more affected but it does carry a lot of weight in their decision matrix.

Publishers start by figuring out the demand for a prototype product (i.e. Rainbow Six 2). They have a few different ways to identify the demand for such products and then they weight the profit (costs - revenue = profit .....in general).

Now, there's a lot more to this. But piracy plays a big role in the "revenue" area. Other parts of "revenue" are Exclusive rights that Microsoft or Sony would pay for such products, etc.
April 20, 2008 6:13:00 PM

games that are worth my money get my money.

i saved up for a long time for a ps3 and HDTV and when i finally had enough there were no 60GB or 80GB versions available. Only the sad sad 40Gig was stocked on shelves.

so, upgrading my computer i discovered that for 200 dollars, my pc now played ALL the ported console games on my TV thru DVI.

After 2 weeks of installing and playing next-gen pc games on my new revamped pc, i found Toys R Us sold the 80GB version this whole time. But, each game for ps3 was over $50CAD and that was way too much to invest at the moment.

So now I click click and try games, but when i realized i enjoyed it I go out and purchase a registerable copy for myself. I love demos, and i'm very thankful for them as would normally spend 20 bucks a week renting stupid games that werent even worth the rental fee.

also, because of demos and video previews i can get WAAAY too hyped about a so-so game and invest lots before actually playing the full version.

(HL2, Just Cause, Crysis, Bioshock, Need for speed Pro Street)

Crazy hype that i've upgraded over and over for!
April 21, 2008 2:40:23 PM

hotsacoman said:
Why do you refuse to get a console? They have some of the best games out there. If you really love gaming, you should get one and see what you're missing. GTA 3 was released first on ps2 after all. Don't limit yourself to one platform. Pointless these days, especially with games like Halo 3, MGS 4 and the like soon to be released.


Or you could get a decent computer with a nice 24" monitor and see what you are missing. Most PC gamers will stay PC gamers, like myself. After I started building my own PC I saw the uselessness in consoles and saw a huge quality difference in games on the PC as compared to a console.

And yes all console gaming owes PCs big time considering it is PC gaming that continually pushes the envelope for hardware manufactuers to get better.

To the OP, don't worry. R* wont blow PCs off. They usually release the console version first and we will actually probably get it in about 6 months to a year not 1 year to 2 years.

I am excited about GTAIV too since I love Liberty City. Plus think of it this way. It gives R* time to tweak it and fix all the problems console games are stuck with cuz they can't do patches/updates. That is unless they buy a newer version of the same game thus paying more. Hehe.
April 21, 2008 3:36:52 PM

Why would someone refuse to get a console?

Hmmmm.

1. A console is similar to my PC except that it is less powerful, less capable and non-upgradeable.

2. Console games are made for kids and 'tards. Sorry, but it is true. If a game is developed for the consoles that has some appeal for the more-intelligent PC gamer, then it will be released for the PC platform and that release, these days at least, is typically superior to the console release (better visuals, extra content, improved gameplay).

3. I don't like console controllers - they feel like they were designed for someone with a few extra chromosomes.

4. I prefer not to participate in the stupidification of the species.

Ultimately, I'm also just not part of the console culture, and trust me, viewed from the outside it looks fairly ridiculous (not rediculous, as a console fan might spell it). Unemployed teenage guys standing outside in the rain for days for the privilege of plunking down $600 (at a minimum) to their corporate overlords? And I don't get the games either - Super Mega Mario something (Wasn't he the guy from Donkey Kong?), Final Fantasy XXXVII, The latest childish "Gritty" FPS (Now with extra Grit!) and HALO3 - THE GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME AND YOU'D BETTER NOT DISAGREE WITH ME 'CAUSE ITS REALLY THE BEST EVER!

April 21, 2008 5:20:55 PM

How many of you have NEVER pirated a piece of software? Be it office app, Windows, game, music? In my opinion, this is like a guy saying he never beat his meat. I freely admit, I was once a contributer to the problem(primarily due to financial reasons, still its no excuse and I think at the time I thought like anyone else that it really didnt matter) Anyway to the point, I am a software developer(looking back now, ironic i know) I still wouldnt even bother with the hassle of doing what it takes to pirate console games. Have you seen kids these days? They pop out with a cat 5 port in their forehead. I would say from 8 years old and up a kid is capable of doing whats necessary to pirate a PC game, this is the problem. I know you would like to think its not easier to pirate a PC game, but it is, especially since in my shadowed history all you have to do is search for the game via the file sharing program of your choice, click and wait, most come pre packaged with a crack. You can't really get much easier than that.

Anyway since it is so easy (I dont know how you could argue against it being easy, the actual cracking (work) is done for the user), any PC gamer with no money and no sense(I include my former self in this) is gonna download games. Then some may argue, well they wouldnt have bought the games anyway, in the literal sense that may be true, but dontcha think they would definitely be on their christmas/b-day list?

Now how many of you have pirated a (PS3, 360) title?
I had a chipped Ps1 and thats where it stopped, at that time it was easy enough to go to my local gameshop and they would mod it. Although my intent for the modding was to play japanese imports, I only later discovered its use in playing burned games.
April 21, 2008 7:22:55 PM

it will come! the older gta titles did also came later on the pc market!

and you remember the sad ps2 grafics on the pc?
April 22, 2008 2:19:07 AM

I have heard a rumor of a PC release date somewhere around oct 08, If this is correct it would actually make it one of the shorter waits for a GTA game since the series went 3D.
April 22, 2008 2:42:26 PM

Chazwuzzer said:
And I don't get the games either - Super Mega Mario something (Wasn't he the guy from Donkey Kong?)


Which donkey kong?
April 23, 2008 4:44:47 PM

physx7 said:
Which donkey kong?


The very old one where DK steals Peach and Mario goes to save her by jumping over barrels and such. But truth be told, Mario stems from much farther back than DK. He and Luigi were in a game where they had to move bricks around. It was a Pocket Watch game.

I will research it and see if I can find a definattive date which GTA IV will hit the PC. I am sure it will though. And probably will have extra content too.
April 23, 2008 5:59:15 PM

jimmysmitty said:
The very old one where DK steals Peach and Mario goes to save her by jumping over barrels and such. But truth be told, Mario stems from much farther back than DK. He and Luigi were in a game where they had to move bricks around. It was a Pocket Watch game.


DK was the bad guy in those games. And I believe that Mario was called Jumpman in the original DK games. And the girls name was Lady\Pauline.
April 23, 2008 6:12:53 PM

Chazwuzzer said:
Why would someone refuse to get a console?

Hmmmm.

1. A console is similar to my PC except that it is less powerful, less capable and non-upgradeable.

2. Console games are made for kids and 'tards. Sorry, but it is true. If a game is developed for the consoles that has some appeal for the more-intelligent PC gamer, then it will be released for the PC platform and that release, these days at least, is typically superior to the console release (better visuals, extra content, improved gameplay).

3. I don't like console controllers - they feel like they were designed for someone with a few extra chromosomes.

4. I prefer not to participate in the stupidification of the species.

Ultimately, I'm also just not part of the console culture, and trust me, viewed from the outside it looks fairly ridiculous (not rediculous, as a console fan might spell it). Unemployed teenage guys standing outside in the rain for days for the privilege of plunking down $600 (at a minimum) to their corporate overlords? And I don't get the games either - Super Mega Mario something (Wasn't he the guy from Donkey Kong?), Final Fantasy XXXVII, The latest childish "Gritty" FPS (Now with extra Grit!) and HALO3 - THE GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME AND YOU'D BETTER NOT DISAGREE WITH ME 'CAUSE ITS REALLY THE BEST EVER!

You sure do like the smell of your own farts, don't you? It's people like you who give us in the PC gaming population a bad name. Anyone who doesn't play their games on a PC must be retarded, right? God forbid people not wanting to spend hundreds more, and countless hours trying to get their game to run properly. While I personally don't mind tweaking games or upgrading hardware, I also enjoy playing games on the consoles as well. I hope you have fun with all of those great PC exclusives coming out this year...oh...well, there's always 2009 right?
April 24, 2008 6:46:51 AM

crowlz said:
I have heard a rumor of a PC release date somewhere around oct 08


I hope it does come out before the end of 2008. Also this is around the same time as the DLC on xbox and it would be nice if this extra content came with the PC release. This would be a nice way for rockstar to make up for keeping us waiting while they deal with the "pick me! pick me!" childish console war BS.
April 24, 2008 1:56:31 PM

Look at the other gta games 6months after ps2 launch it came out for PC, so why would that change now?
April 24, 2008 2:16:58 PM

Heyyou27 said:
You sure do like the smell of your own farts, don't you? It's people like you who give us in the PC gaming population a bad name. Anyone who doesn't play their games on a PC must be retarded, right? God forbid people not wanting to spend hundreds more, and countless hours trying to get their game to run properly. While I personally don't mind tweaking games or upgrading hardware, I also enjoy playing games on the consoles as well. I hope you have fun with all of those great PC exclusives coming out this year...oh...well, there's always 2009 right?


You have to remember that a lot of PC gamers resent consoles a sthey use PC technologies and then give PC's the shaft when it comes to games. Most games now are mainly console driven then ported to the PC, which usually sucks. There are very few PC titles that get ported to consoles now but those that do are best on PC such as HL2 and TF2.

Anywho. I know GTA IV will come to PC. Just be patient.
April 24, 2008 7:14:51 PM

Chazwuzzer said:
viewed from the outside it looks fairly ridiculous (not rediculous, as a console fan might spell it).



This is best line from this entire thread! Who cares about GTA VIXVX, it will be hear soon enough, but please people learn to use sPelE ChkcE.
April 24, 2008 10:13:47 PM

I will keep spending $700 dollars each year on new components for a pc . If consoles are ripping off more and more out of the pc's why didnt they rip the best thing about them ? keyboard and mouse support for firs person shooters i hate Fps on consoles so much :fou: 
April 24, 2008 11:38:59 PM

theforgotten said:
I will keep spending $700 dollars each year on new components for a pc . If consoles are ripping off more and more out of the pc's why didnt they rip the best thing about them ? keyboard and mouse support for firs person shooters i hate Fps on consoles so much :fou: 


Cuz the devs of consoles want your life to be a living hell for FPS games. Even with keyboard and mouse a PC will still have the best graphics and abilities for the games.
April 29, 2008 9:24:07 AM

PC is all always will be the most powerful system whichever way u look at it. Ps3/xbox 360 are just low end budget computer builds but everyone is saying computers cost too much. Xbox has a ati (not sure the name (not exactly a G card ) which is a lil better than the ps3's 7900gt. couple of Psu's and and crappy (PS) drives later pretty much a computer. And no! none of the consoles support DX10. Otherwise titles such as Gears of war wouldnt have to be on pc before ported to dx10.

I understand there are different views sum like consoles some, some dont. The other thing really annoys me is that people waste near $1000AUS for a 'next-gen' console. This is not upgradeable, already outdated hardware and cant really sell it because nobody wants an old console and if you do sell it it wont be for half as much. And then they turn around buy a new release console and say PC are expensive, and lets not forget PC's do abit more then games. All console game are probably scripted on a computer and the OS's are probably also made from PC's.

A couple of years ago i came to the conclusion that Microsoft are ruining gaming. They betray the PC by paying large amounts of money to buy out game developers that make Pc and or console games and make them cancel the PC for their future releases. They also pay money to have weeks to months earlier release dates on xbox and then only show video footage and pre-reviews etc.. only in xbox footage or under xbox section on ign etc. This pulls people away from PC and therefore ruins the gaming industries past.

All in all. It comes down to one factor which all consoles money. The reason consoles were made was for money. Alot of People dont know how to make PC's or believe they are complicated or whatnot and are not interested in learning or going to a local computer store to get one custom built (not prebuild ie. HP). As i was saying consoles were made for money because pc gaming was becoming cheaper (piracy etc.) Now every consoles gamer has gone out b ought consoles and games and fallen straight into the trap and let theses companies take over and now gaming will never be wat is was. Now we are paying for what the consoles have done


April 29, 2008 9:54:18 AM

Piracy?maybe true..SORY OOT in my country 1 DVD Pc Games only $ 1,5,cheapy yeah?n 1 DVD XBOx360 only $ 4...
April 29, 2008 10:50:35 AM

Just to get back on topic, as I seem to remember the PC version of GTA games always gets released about 6 to 9 months after console release.
Hope this helps :) 

AL
April 29, 2008 12:23:53 PM

I think Rockstar are trying to please everyone by releasing for consoles a few months before PC's.

Imagine if they released for consoles and PC at the same time. Console users would feel silly because their version of the game is twice as expensive and looks half as good as the PC version. So, a large part of their market is unhappy.

If they release it 6 months down the line, the PC version is still superior, has a bit more tweaking time, can eliminate any issues/bugs/etc that are discovered by the console guinea pigs, so PC users will still be happy, but the console users can say that they didn't have to wait and the PC version only looks better because new hardware came out or whatever other excuses they feel they need to make. So, everyone is happy! :) 

Well, it kinda makes sense at least. :p 
April 29, 2008 1:30:09 PM

PCs aren't powerful enough ;) 
April 29, 2008 5:46:51 PM

My first post here. I had to sign up just because of this thread. So, with that said. First off there are no real numbers on piracy (unless you are the RIAA or Microsoft), and if it has effected the consumers choice in buying any thing. It's just impossible to find out if every person that downloaded something used it over buying the real deal. Thus never paying a dime. Just can't be done. An anonymous survey would do it, but then you have a large number of people that will not take it so the numbers would be incorrect.

Second, yes piracy for the PC technically would be bigger because PC just has more options. More software = more things to be pirated = larger stash of pirated stuff. Now does it matter. NO! Because there is no real facts or numbers to base any thing in to make a definitive statement. SO, you end up with people arguing around in circles.

Is piracy the reason of the wait in porting GTA from console to PC? No way. Porting code form one platform to another can be quite a pain in the butt particularly in the case of Console ported to PC. PC, X360, and PS3 while all built on variations of the same idea, they all have their quirks, and enough of them to call for caution. The biggest reason companies send out the console versions first (most of the time) is because they take more time to develop, and thus become top of the priority list. That way they have more time to finalize the product with in the aloted time frame. With the console version on the shelf, and running smooth the company is now making back the money they spent to put out that title. Eventually they look at it, and decide if its worth porting to the PC or not. Most companies just opt. not to. Not to mention the fact that good companies always put more in the PC version any way.

Lastly, will we see GTA 4 on PC? I hope so. It the reason I found this thread in the first place. and just like every one else said, it would probably be a year, but have better visuals with more content.
April 29, 2008 6:43:55 PM

GTA3, Vice City, and San Andreas were released about a year after the console, yes; but what I haven't seen anyone post, is that they DON'T port the game. They rebuild and recode the game from the ground up. This makes the graphics much better, as it continues to be, no matter what beautiful game any console creates. I wish the game companies would all follow this pattern instead of exclusively releasing products for console only. There is just far more freedom of movement among other things on a PC.
The last ported game I ever played on the PC was Rebel Assault. Not too-too bad, but very clunky.

The only sets of games I will abdicate full superiority for consoles are sports games and fighting games (MK, Street Fighter, et. al.) Unless you're playing single player on a PC, those two types of games, generally SUCK on the PC. "Combat" on the Atari 2600 is better than any fight game on a PC. OK, enough of that off-tangent subject.

As for the delay thing, I can see the marketing end of why they do that. I agree with it, so long as we PC-only types get the game! Console games are far more difficult to pirate. One only has to look on gamecopyworld.com to see how quick a fixed .exe is made for a PC game.

Well, here's to hoping! ::raises glass::
April 29, 2008 6:51:50 PM

PC's aren't POWERFUL enough, b3n?????

No console in history or future will EVERRRRRRRRRRRR out-power a PC in overall graphics capabilities! Reason being- they are stuck with their final hardware lineup. There is no upgrade. You can't hot-swap video or CPU components on a console. PC's constantly evolve!

Granted, no console game will ever lag, but that's because the software is made to run directly with a specific kind of hardware. On the computer its another story due to all the different components and software. It takes a lot more brain-power to make a PC game.
April 29, 2008 7:40:24 PM

Looking at my post above in this thread, I must admit that I was somewhat unfair. I mean, suggesting that console games are designed for retarded people, well, that's just plain insulting to retarded people.

Kidding.

No, I was being pretty old-fogey there. But you have to admit there is a dearth of complex sims and truly sophisticated content on the consoles. And I don't agree with the assertion that you have to spend megabucks to have a decent gaming PC, but I don't want to go back into that argument here.

As far as PC-exclusivity is concerned, I really don't care. I mean, please, make your title for as many platforms as you want. Hell, I'd love to see a re-release of Deus Ex for the 360 and PS3. I have no interest in seeing the PC platform "win" something.

I just really, really would hate to see gaming go down the tubes as games are increasingly geared toward the lowest common denominator in the interest of maximizing corporate profits.
April 29, 2008 10:35:45 PM

tenchymuyo3 said:
PC's aren't POWERFUL enough, b3n?????

No console in history or future will EVERRRRRRRRRRRR out-power a PC in overall graphics capabilities! Reason being- they are stuck with their final hardware lineup. There is no upgrade. You can't hot-swap video or CPU components on a console. PC's constantly evolve!

Granted, no console game will ever lag, but that's because the software is made to run directly with a specific kind of hardware. On the computer its another story due to all the different components and software. It takes a lot more brain-power to make a PC game.


Never seen a console lag? I don't think you've played enough games. Sure, the old consoles didn't lag (i.e., 8- and 16-bit systems). Maybe even the PS and PS2 didn't lag, but I was more entrenched in PC gaming during those years. But the Xbox and 360? I've seen plenty of lag on both. Pretty sad, actually, considering the oft-mentioned hardware finality of consoles...
April 30, 2008 6:16:29 PM

Oh. OK, I'm speaking out of school then. No, I haven't seen one lag. I was assuming they didn't. I've only seen a few games played.

Thanks for the heads up!
April 30, 2008 11:53:37 PM

mudlab said:
Sure, the old consoles didn't lag (i.e., 8- and 16-bit systems)


My Sega Genesis will lag and my N64 on certain games in certain parts.
May 1, 2008 12:17:27 AM

tenchymuyo3 said:
PC's aren't POWERFUL enough, b3n?????

No console in history or future will EVERRRRRRRRRRRR out-power a PC in overall graphics capabilities! Reason being- they are stuck with their final hardware lineup. There is no upgrade. You can't hot-swap video or CPU components on a console. PC's constantly evolve!

Granted, no console game will ever lag, but that's because the software is made to run directly with a specific kind of hardware. On the computer its another story due to all the different components and software. It takes a lot more brain-power to make a PC game.

That is the biggest Lie, consoles lag very much, a lot more than the PC. On top of that, Load times suck on consoles.You can attribute that to the amount of memory on the console: 256MB, come on get real. Just look at Oblivion 360 vs PC, HUGE difference in load times and frame rates. Its the reason why crysis will never be released in its full glory in this console generation.
May 1, 2008 2:18:24 AM

The reason GTA IV won't release on the PC as there's simply no money in the platform. The PS3 and 360 version combined sold an estimated 4.2 million copies worldwide on launch day.
May 1, 2008 5:09:44 AM

Heyyou27 said:
The reason GTA IV won't release on the PC as there's simply no money in the platform. The PS3 and 360 version combined sold an estimated 4.2 million copies worldwide on launch day.


And, uh, how many billions of dollars has WoW made on the PC platform on which there is simply no money?
May 1, 2008 12:38:04 PM

Heyyou27 said:
The reason GTA IV won't release on the PC as there's simply no money in the platform. The PS3 and 360 version combined sold an estimated 4.2 million copies worldwide on launch day.


No money in the platform? What a load of crap. Retail sales may be down, but that's only because the PC games market is becoming more about online distribution. PC games sales are actually rising thanks to online distibution and the added protection against piracy that it brings (Steam anyone?). Anyway, even though the PS3 and XBox 360 versions have been released already, there are a huge ammount of PC gamers that will wait for the PC release and will avoid the console Beta versions. Rockstar can easily make far more money from PC sales than they will need to spend making it workable on a PC. They want to make a profit and I'd imagine, if they have any sense, that they don't want to alienate a large proportion of their consumer base.

Also, imagine if it had been released for the PC and consoles simultaneously. That day one figure would have been far higher and some of the PS3 and Xbox sales would never have happened as any gamer with a half decent rig would have bought it for their PC instead. I'm sure alot of the current sales are PC gamers who either don't want to wait or have bought into the BS that console fanboys spout about it never coming to a PC.
May 1, 2008 12:44:43 PM

I saw a date somewhere for when it was expected to be released on PC, but can't seem to find it again anywhere... wether that was a confirmed date or not I don't know or think so but...

anyone seen anything about this? and don't just say 6months etc.. because of previous games... state a source

just curious...

thanks
May 1, 2008 2:06:20 PM

Dare I say about 6 months? :p 
May 1, 2008 2:23:14 PM

physx7 said:
Dare I say about 6 months? :p 


lol, I guess it was inevitable :pt1cable: 
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