Upgrading P350

[dweilbacher]

I need a little advise. I have two(2) Gateway GP6-350. They have PII 350
and 128Mbs of SDRAM(100mhz). I think I am stuck with the 100Mhz FSB, but
please correct me if I'm wrong.

The motherboard has a MP440BX chip set, which supports a slot 1 processor
upto 450Mhz. I would like to upgrade much higher than that. I have read about
these slockets (slot 1 to socket converters) and found that the Powerlead
will allow me to upgrade to a Celeron 1.2G(maybe a 1.3G).

My question is, can I also upgrade to a Pent III? and if so, how high?
Anyone with some experience/knowledge on this slocket, please give me some
advise. What are my processor upgrade options?

Here is link to the Gateway support page for my systems:
http://support.gateway.com/support/detailedinfo.asp?sn=0010349234

thanks for any advise.

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[MeTaLrOcKeR]

I dont know much about your particular Motherboard......But yes you CAN run a Pentium III cpu on a Slot 1 board based on the i440BX Chipset.......only downfall to the 133MHz FSB setting on that chipset is the AGP will run out of spec...from 66MHz it'll run at 89MHz.....but dont be alarmed all Modern video cards these days can take it....i believe since the TNT2 all cards havent had problems with those kinda speeds......

As for the adapters...theres companies out there like PowerLeap who offer the Adapter with the processor..so u can run even the PIII or Celeron based Tualitan CPU's on a 440BX Chipset based MB.....

THG did a review on a new company who have socket adapters from Coppermine - Tualitan PGA 370 and for Socket 423 - 478.....i cant remember the name of the company but ull see it at Toms main site under CPU Gudie......hope that helps...

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[upec]

I did not have problem running a P3 1GHz with my Abit BX6 Rev2.0.

 

[dweilbacher]

Thanks for the response, but I guess that I'm looking for a little more
details. For example, since I have a BX, slot 1 motherboard are these
available options for a CPU upgrade:

1) replace PII 350 with Slot 1 PII 600 (100mhz FSB)
2) replace PII 350 with Slot 1 PIII 1G (100mhz FSB) (does this process exist?)
3) replace PII 350 with socket PIII 1.4G (133 FSB) (but run it a 100 FSB)
4) replace PII 350 with celeron 1.3G

Option 3 and 4 would require a slocket to work.

Secondly, which of these option seems the best (opinions please).

Thanks.

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[tombance]

I would have thought that it might be cheaper to upgrade your entire system. P3's are getting more expensive these days and so it might be better in terms of a performancerice ratio just to get a low-end athlonor duron system. Im not sure on the exact prices but I seem to remember the 1ghz durons and the 1500+ athlons are pretty cheap nowadays.

My sig's faster than yours, and it overclocks better too....

 

[llewelyn]

Some Tualatin 815 motherboards are now cheaper and definitely better than the Powerleap adapter.

If you can't part from your BX a Coppermine 1000E or 1100E with slotket would be the best upgrade. The Slot 1 1000E costs around $300 if you can find one.

 

[Croaker]

If you have never done an upgrade before the powerleap slot 1 1.4 celeron for $169.00 would be the easy way to go.If you are not playing games this would be ok for an office computer. If you play games this is not a real good choice. for $200 - $250 you could get a new case, motherboard, CPU and more memory. this will not get you top of the line but a better upgrate then the slot 1.

 

[dweilbacher]

Thanks for the advise. I generally agree that Socket A + Athlon XP is the
best performance/price option. (as you can see from my system spec below)
In this case, the 3 Gateways PC are used in a business. Upgrading the
processor and memory are low risk options.

Upgrading the motherboard would require $70 board, $120 DDR, $60 CPU, $20
HSF. Thats about $300 per PC. Plus I'm concerned about the data on the
HD when mated with a new motherboard. I must protect the business data.

I would like to simply put in a $30 Slocket, Pent III 1G $110 (or
Celeron 1.3G $60) and SDRAM $20. That would be about $150 per PC and
be more then sufficient to run a business PC.

My vote would be the Celeron. The performance diff(i think) between
a PIII 1G and a Celeron 1.3G would be nill. But offer a $40 saving
per PC. Please feel free to tell me I'm wrong...

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[MeTaLrOcKeR]

Ok...your wrong =)

Ask Crashman...he'll prove to u how much faster a PIII is over a Celeron.....He had a Celeron 1.2 i beleive and his PIII 733 was faster......i think those were the chips i could be very wrong....Anyways the point is Celerons are not worth the money........

Your best bet is to get a Sloket ($5) and a Coppermine 1GHz 133Mhz FSB CPU.......it should run perfectly fine.....only the AGP Bus will run out fo spec...and i have a feeling there isnt a AGP Video card in there...and even if there were it should run perfectly fine......

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[llewelyn]

To run a Tualatin Celeron on a BX you need a special adapter, a slotket alone will not work. There are Intel 815 boards available for around $70 which support the Tualatin CPU correctly.

I would recommend this upgrade if you are not attached to your BX. You can use your old ram and PSU without having all the AMD hassles and problems. I did this upgrade and am happy with it.

You should back up your hard disk whatever upgrade you choose.

 

[dweilbacher]

I find this somewhat hard to believe. True that in the past a Celerons running
at 66mhz FSB would easily be beat by the same speed PIII with a 100mhz FSB
and larger cache.

However, a Celeron 1.3G runs at 100mhz FSB and has 256k cache. The PIII still
has the same size cache, but I am limited to running it at 100mhz FSB. So if I
compare:

PIII 1Gig (100mhz FSB) with 256 cache... $110
to
Celeron 1.3G (100mhz FSB with 256 cache..$65

I think the Celeron wins (or at least ties) and saves me about $55 x 2.

As for the comment about needing more then a slotket for the BX board,
can you explain this? If I look over at the PowerLeap upgrade database,
they stated that my board (in fact my exact PC) can safely upgrade to
a Celeron 1.2G using their PL-iP3 Slotket. Here is a review of this thing:

http://www.awaremag.com/hardware/powerleap/plip3/plip3_1.html

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[Crashman]

The PIII 1000E (100MHz FSB) DOES exist, but it's expensive ($132 for the Slot 1 version) and slow (compared to the normal PIII 1000EB 133MHz version). You could get the Powerleap adapter and a Celeron 1.4GHz I have a spare Powerleap adapter for sale for $60 if you would rather get a retail boxed Celeron 1.4 and the factory cooler/3 year factory warranty that comes with it.

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[Crashman]

$300? Compgeeks sells them for $132!

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[llewelyn]

My point is that a Tualatin motherboard would be cheaper and better than a Powerleap adapter. A slotket is cheap but only works with 370 pin Coppermines.

You will not get the same performance and stability with an adapter. If the Slot1 1000e only costs $132 it would be worth considering.

For a reliable business computer you should stay within the specs; 133Mhz CPUs and adapters on BX motherboards are for tweakers.

 

[dweilbacher]

Wow, I did not realize those PowerLeap adapter were $60+. I saw that
Spartan Technologies sells the PIII 1000E Slot 1 for $108(Retail)

http://www.spartantech.com/product.asp?m1=pw&pid=INP3S-1000EBOX

Sounds like 2 of these are my best option. Final question. I'm
sure Gateway did not provide a bios update for the 1Gig processor.
However, since the the PIII are multiplier locked it shouldn't matter???
Also what voltage does the 1000E use? I need to make sure the motherboard
supports the correct voltage as well. Correct?

Thanks.

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[llewelyn]

Yes, you should check the voltage. It is possible that your motherboard does not support Coppermines at 1.65v.

A MSI 6309 (vcore adjustable) Slotket with a 370 pin Coppermine would solve this problem.

 

[Michaelthehibby]

IIRC, the BX motherboard with the Gateway GP6-350 and 400 (which I have) only supports up to PIII 600 on the actual board due to the voltage regulator. Try the Gateway newsgroups for more details.