pike is getting in very deep *help him*

She came from no where, she approched me, looked at me, her eyes showed mystery and meaning somehow combined with such an overwhelming beauty I could not move. She understood me, in the deepest possible way. She put her head on my shoulders and held me in her arms. I was totally overcome. It was so intense, I awoke! I did not sleep after this. It was early morning and I got up.
I could feel her for hours after this dream, I beleive she has awokend some faculty in me that had perhaps been dormant. I long to be with her once more, but I can now see her in many women. She is there in their eyes. I know this for certain. I trust my most intimate feelings. It was an experience. For me it was real as time itself is real. Even time may be an illusion, but this was an undenyable experience that has changed my perception of reality.
No! It was not a religious experience. I am not so pretencious!
No! The Devil was not arround at that time, he and I know each other already, I can recognise him. If he does show himself, I will deal with him. I am not alone and this he knows!

Also this. Later this morning I went for a physical at my local medical clinic. I was still under the spell of this dream to an extent. The Doctor that saw me in the small examination room was a young woman GP that I had seen twice before in the recent past. She also moves me like no other. I have so much confidence in her, if she asked for me to let her inject a substance in my artery telling me to simply trust her, i would. I would let her do much more than that.
Well, she started questionning me for the physical(it was to fill out a form in order to maintain a class 1 truck driving permit). I could not hold back my emotions, my eyes were watery, she asked me about my eyesight. I told her it was absolutly perfect...she smiled...I was looking so deeply in her eyes...she was so close to my dream...she was unusually pleasant with me, smiling in a so attractive manner...she asked me to sit on the examination table, to take my blood pressure...she stood so close her body was touching mine...Guess what?...My pressure was abnormaly high...she looked at me again and asked "is your blood pressure usually high?"..."no it isn't!" I answered...
she sort of said as if asking a question: "it's perhaps because of the form i'm filling out for you?"...I answered "I'm excited right now"...she keap her cool and continued filling out the form...We talked a little and she was smiling so beautifully !

Then, I asked her this: "Can you refer me to a woman psychotherapist that you know personnaly?" Well we talked about the different qualifications of professionnals in the domain of psychology. It was all cool, no hang ups on either side, no reason. She said there are women psychologist in private practice but that she did not know any personnaly but she wrote me a request form for consultation in the psychology department of that public clinic.

Now, and here is the punch line: I am not ill, I am not distressed, stressed, like if someone won the lottery, yes, but not distressed. I feel so alive and full of love and emotions it is close to overwhelming, but it is not this either. It is under control. It's as if I am just beginning to discover beauty, the beauty of women's eyes and the unexplainable love they can show us. I could perhaps get a private consultation with this GP but what will the outcome be? My trust in her is so strong the outcome could only be positive! Still, doubt is just around the corner! Perhaps I ask too much of her! This is unfair on my part! A woman psychologist would be better equipted and we would have some basic notions in commond at the onset. Also my work medical plan may well cover these types of private consultations. Damn $$$.

Wy share these personal matters at THGF?
I trust you guys. Some of you have touched me already, and for this I feel a deep dept towards you. You are like a Brotherhood in arms of some sort.

I sincerely wish you all the best this world may offer and may you find the means to attain your goals.

Danny
alias pike

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Sincerely appreciate your view point.
In fact had not even considered that my behaviour/experience at the clinic could be interpreted as "coming onto her"! But, in fact, perhaps this is how she saw me.
This however was totally absent from my mind at the time. And even now, this is not what is going on here. It is on a different level. The level that that dream was at. In that dream there was no inclination whatsoever towards physical sexual dimensions.
Your opinion does indeed give me more inseight to my ongoing situation, and I thank you for this.

pike

Buddha, Mahomet, Jesus and Confucius! They once cared for us, perhaps they still do!

Ok, so let me get this right? You are wondering if you should just ask her out or something? If that's it, go for it. But I'm not sure what you are asking exactly...

Look out for #1. Don't step in #2 either.

Get her drunk

If my baby don't love me, I know, I know, her sister will.

Women are as you say. They are attractive in not only a physical way but also an emotional way. They are also almost all crazy and worthless as tits on a bull. The fact that they are emotional makes them not only loveable but also impossible to figure out. Anything that hurts their feelings is fair game for destruction. Ever wonder why they were always lost on Voyager? Chick capitan. Good thing the life support system never hurt her feelings or she would have turned it off. You will not find John Luke out lost in the universe stopping to ask directions no sir.

Remember if you ain't Muslim you ain't Shiite.

Ok, I didn't know you were married. Um....don't listen to me, I'm stoned.

Look out for #1. Don't step in #2 either.

I feel high tonight. Women, man, that's it!


pike

Buddha, Mahomet, Jesus and Confucius! They once cared for us, perhaps they still do!

pike
I too like to ponder adn think about things such as this, im glad someone has posted something like this.

I dont know all the details but could it be that your dream was forshadowing your meethin with the MD. You are a married man an you plan to stay that way yet you feel no sexual aspect in your dreams so cold i be that your wife is not really fulfilling your emotional needs. I have had important dreams too but not one the lvl of your dream.
I don't know what your looking for and mabey you dont know exactly either. I would try diffrent things, activites that you would not normaly do. I would say talk with your wife about some of these things and see what see thinks.

Just wonder what exactly are your thoughts about our impulses evolving?

You put up some very intresting ideas Pike, Thanks.

You know how marriages can be. I'ts been over 15 years. We were married fairly young, speaking of maturity. We are not all that compatable. This happens so so often. Look at the divorse rate. I however will make this marrige work, as it is now. Very good family moments none the less. Best for kids to have parents together, even when the going gets slightly difficult. Not talking about fighting day in day out. We very rarely have reason to argue.

Yes the dream was special.
I will tell you this, when i was 18/19 I keap a diary of my dreams. 50-75 pages A4 of them. Would put the alarm clock to right in the middle of the night to find out what I was dreaming at different hours of the night. Did lot's of stuff back then.

Some was a little too

You know Carl Gustave Jung?

pike

Buddha, Mahomet, Jesus and Confucius! They once cared for us, perhaps they still do!

well i've just decided to read this weeks new scientist. the herbal infusion is a good idea i'll try a cup of jasmin tea, or maybe strawberry and passion fruit. out for now.
thanks matey

Although it has a lot of good ideas, beer doesn't know anything about computers!!!

Well mystic I do wish to talk about this. I will perhaps be getting over my head because everything is not yet all clear for me.

The practice of Kundalini yoga dictates abstinence for 40 days with special types of yogic exercises. The goal is simply put "enlightenment"

That was one aspect, and it is an ancient practice. What I feel is happening is this. We are physically evolving extraponentially. In the 16th/17th century men over 5 feet tall were the exception. Today my beleif is that our sexual organs are evolving exponetially as well, not necesseraly in size, but mostly in their influence on our behaviour. To me orgasms are stronger and mostly the sexual energie engendered by our organs have a more pronounced and profound effect on us. My beleif is that a controled abstinence of lesser degree than dictated by Kundalini yoga would be sufficient to elevate us, within sexual intercourse, to the equivalent levels of the former but by gradual steps as in a 6 month periode of perhaps intercourse varing from 2-5 week intervals. This is definitely subject to great variations depending on the individual in question.

right ?

Buddha, Mahomet, Jesus and Confucius! They once cared for us, perhaps they still do!

I don't exactly know much about him, but the coincidence is that I read 33 pages A4 about psychology, philosophy and religion. This because I have a test tomorrow about this for a subject called 'Religion' ('Godsdienst' in Dutch).
All this makes me remember about dreams and Freuds depth-psychology. I don't know much about Jung and psychology, we only learned his vision on religion.

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Without opening a book I can say this:
Freud based all of human`s striving`s,
especiallyreligion, to the chanelling
of sexual energies. The religious
impulse is only an abnormal mental
state. Most psychological disorders
can be attributed and determined, by
psycho-analytical means, as being
caused by sexual impulses improperly
diverted.

Jung on the other hand explained many
psychological disorders as a stemming
from difficulties in attaining the
"wholeness" of one's Self.
For Jung the striving to wholeness also
explained the religious impulses.
Jung acknowledged the existance of
these impulses. Jung discovered many
facets of the humand psyche, including
the "anima/animus" components i.e. male/
female in every person.
He also discovered from his many
clinical observations and studies, that the
humand psyche was not only composed of a
personal unconsience but of also a
"collective uncon-sciousness". This last
notion is slightly esoteric, and other
of his notions are also as such.

Adler was also a disciple of Freud
and broke with his sexual dogma, as
Jung did, and he developped the
notion of primordial "striving
for power" as and explanation to most
psychological disorders. Religion
for Adler was a compensation of the psyche
against it`s perceived weekness against
the uncontrollable universe.

Please excuse my spelling
and sorry for the delay.

Chow

the SEX man

Buddha, Mahomet, Jesus and Confucius! They once cared for us, perhaps they still do!

Thanks. It was not without struggle though, and I still feel far from truely enlightened. Sometimes we just come into the world with too many different things to work through. Maybe in my next life I'll get there. Nah. Better make that at least two lives from now. My next life I want to spend as an attractive Asian-American bisexual woman on the prowl. Heh heh. That should be good for decades of fun. After all, life shouldn't always be spent being serious.

It sounds like you're making considerable headway down the path of enlightenment too.

Unfortunately, it's been years since I studied psychology, and even then I usually delved more into the <i>truely</i> abnormal psychology. Heh heh. Personally though, I think humans all started out as androginous and over the centuries we lost that. (Not sure if it was by intentional choice, or by happenstance.) But I think ultimately, we all have the potential qualities of both genders. We just choose to ignore some. I'd like to think I'm finding my way closer to being a balance, but my wife seems convinced that in some ways I'm still a typical man. Heh heh.

It's a great rule to live by, at least as long as you fall in love with the right person. My first true love wasn't a permanent relationship. At the time, I hadn't wanted to believe that. From here though, I can easily see that such was the case. We both had things to teach each other so that we could grow as people, but we weren't really suited to live together for the rest of our lives. It could have been done, but it would have been an unhappy life for both of us. And then I would have missed out on the second love of my life, whom I <i>know</i> I am destined to spend at least half of my life with, and probably all of the rest of it too. She has an open mind too though, and I think if I ever needed it, she would be open to allowing me to have a very close relationship with someone else and still maintain our relationship. So far though, I've never needed it.

I guess the point of my rambling here is that relationships can just be funny things. I think all girlfriends/wives yell (or nag) a lot. Heh heh. I think they just have to feel that they're in control.

Exactly though. Some people really don't need to put an emotional attachment to it, and it can be very uplifting for them that way. (Or just plain fun.) Other people though can't emotionally detach themselves from the act and thus don't find it as entertaining (if at all) that way. It can even be harmful to people like that. I think though that this is one area where humanity is evolving. We are learning to get in touch with our emotions, not just to learn to feel them more, but also to learn to enjoy experiences without emotional attachments. And as humanity evolves this way, we open up so many new aspects into our relationships with one another and get more out of them as well. Just my thoughts and observations anyway.

Personally, in this life I'm still to the point where I have the need to associate emotions to everything, most especially in matters of 'love'. However I can also see the benefits from not limiting myself in that way, even if I am not actually capable of doing so myself. So I think in my next life I'll explore the opposite, so that in the life after that I'll be ready to enjoy a life of balance between both ways.

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Well, giving advise sometimes has a contrary effect to that for which it was intended, human nature I suppose. So since I wish to contribute, I will not give advise. I will simply talk of my cousin. <A HREF="http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~mayersd/" target="_new">my cousin </A>
He is , very much so. Wy? Look at his project description at that page!

He once told me, many years back, when he himself was going threw a periode of self searching, the following. He said "you know, I really do not care anymore about being happy in life, I beleive I may go threw life not laughing as many do and not enjoying many things as others do, but I accept this and because I have accepted this, it does not bother me anymore".
After so many years of this, What he had said sort of stuck for some reason. The reason to me is that there was much wisdom in his statement.

Will always be nice he hear from you, mystic.

see ya

pike

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