I saw it four times in theaters....can't wait for the second one. Anyone ever read the books? Much better than the movie IMO, but the movie is still awesome.
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I watched it and I really loved it, it is such a great movie. Lets hope the second one is even better. I don't read the book yet, but I want to read them when I have a long vacation, maybe this summer.
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The movie was great, but the book was so much better.
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I thought the movie was great. I haven't read the books, but I have read similar books. Mostly DnD Forgotten Realms.
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I've read the Hobbit, the LoTR trilogy and the Simarillian. Peter Jackson did a great job with the movie (except for adding Lurtz, he should never have added a character). I'm definitely buying the DVD when it comes out. Only problem being that they have three different versions on the way, and I don't know which one to get
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The book just made a <i>lot</i> more sense than the movie. So much of the book was either cut out or altered that the movie let me down in a lot of ways. Heck, just about every single scene in the book was altered in some way in the movie, and usually not for the better.
I mean what took them months to travel in the book took days in the movie, and the whole explanation for how the hobbits even joined Frodo on the adventure made no sense at all in the movie when compared to the excellent storyline from the book. A lot of the scenes in the movie just didn't even make sense when comared to the book. (Or should I say books, since the movie did step into the beginning of the second book as well, which was another nuicanse.)
And while putting things into chonological order made it easier to follow what was going on (for those who have bad memories anyway), it also lost a lot of the dramatic effect that way. I thought movies were supposed to add drama, not get rid of it. The whole mystery and suspense of why Gandalf was late was just totally lost in the movie.
And can anyone even explain why Gandalf fell in the movie? That part of the scene was done as pitifully as Darth Maul's death in SW:Ep1. It just made no sense compared to the book and left me sitting there thinking "with the capabilities of special effects by computers these days, was that the best that they could do?" Honestly, if we go by the movies Gandalf should have seen it coming just as much as Darth Maul did. The books did the scenes a lot more justice.
And as usual, how is the lack of content and drama made up? Why, with a ton of eye candy. Ooh. Didn't see that one coming. Nope nope.
Still, they did a considerably better job than was done with the animated movies. Plus the general feel for the genre was done quite well, even if the exact details of the story itself were noticably altered. So I suppose I am willing to overlook the near-crimes against the books and will probably end up seeing the second movie as well. I don't expect to see it more than once though.
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I loved the movie. I started reading the books to because of the movie. I was dissapoointed though for the first half of the Fellowship.
So I quit.
I know that was lame of me, but my friend kept telling me great things about The Wheel of Time, so I switched series.
I really didnt' like the whole forest and Tom Bobadil scence, good description, but made no sence, and had no real value.
I guess I should have liked it, but I didn't...Sorry for all you book fans out there.
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Because the Balrog snagged him with the whip, remember?
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I'm pretty much with you on this one. I've read the Hobbit and the first book and as you say the movie was a bit of a let down. of course it was already pretty long and putting more info in it would have made it even longer so I can see where they needed to do some of the cutting. The book was definately more suspensefull and better. I think the Hobbit would have made a much better movie. It is shorter and more to the point. It also has a real ending with a cool twist that even makes sense. I was a little dissapointed with both the fellowship book and the movie because they both just leave you hanging at a funny spot not really made for that type of thing. Sure you know there are 3 book so of course the thing isn't gonna get solved in the first one but you expect something to happen to the ring by the end of the first book and nothing really does. It doesn't get lost or change hands or get stolen or anything. All that happens is that they get out in the middle of nowwhere and the story stops. I liked the Hobbit much better. Starting to read book 2 today and I'm ready for it to not lead to anything other then the third book.
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Well anyone who has read the trilogy knows that the fellowship is [-peep-] BORING, nothing big happens till the two towers, and the final book is epic, considering what the first book gave them to work with, I think the movie is awesome.
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Yeah, but honestly, how long did he hang there stupidly with nothing pulling him down? Anyone would have pulled themselves up again instead of arguing for so long. Hell, no one even bothered to try and help him up even though he hung there for so long. The scene was just portrayed absolutely without skill in the movie. In the book however, it was much more fluid and believable.
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Understand phoenix that it would have been way too difficult to put everything that happened in the book into the movie. You would have had to cut the first movie into three different movies by itself if they would have followed every detail, etc. It would have taken too long. I was a little disappointed with the fact that it did seem to move pretty fast compared to that of the book, but if you have never read the book then the movie probably would have seemed fine. I think they did a good job considering everything about the trilogy...I mean I would have never thought anyone could even come close to getting everything from the Hobbits all the way up to the Dark Lord in a movie, let alone do the entire thing in three movies. I say great job to them, and will count the movies as classics.
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If you read the book and look at the scene where Gandalf falls, you will see it fits the book exactly to the letter except that Frodo is also there in the movie yelling. Understand they couldn't help him up because there were goblins shooting arrorws at them while all this was happening. The book never really explains why Gandalf just dropped, because I think he could have gotten out of that from reading the book too. But maybe it was more of the fact that he wanted them to go on and fell so that they would. Who knows though....
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| Quote : of course it was already pretty long and putting more info in it would have made it even longer so I can see where they needed to do some of the cutting. |
I would like to agree with you, however considering that the movie also covered the beginning of the second book <i>and</i> put in the love scenes that weren't even in the first book at all (and consequently had to switch around some of the characters in scenes from the book just to even put that in there in the first place) I just can't agree with you. The movie <i>could</i> have put more into it <i>and</i> kept the storyline truer to the books without having to have made it any longer than it turned out to be.
Plus, as I remember, the second book was mostly a snore anyway. (Though it has been years since I've read anything past the first book.) So they <i>could</i> have ended the movie right at the grief of losing Gandalf, which would have been a much more conclusive end than where they left it, and would have given them more time to fit the proper storyline in. Plus, it would have given a little more panache to the beginning of the second movie to start from immediately after that point.
| Quote : I think the Hobbit would have made a much better movie. It is shorter and more to the point. It also has a real ending with a cool twist that even makes sense. |
I completely agree here. Further, it would have been a much more secure movie to base if the other movies would be released or not. (Strange that they were all made at the same time, and yet there was no guarantee that the other two would be released until the first one was proven to be a success.) To have used The Hobbit instead would have been just like SW:Ep4 which is no doubt both a conclusively ending story <i>and</i> a story open to further expansion. Plus, it would have laid the groundwork for those who hadn't read the books before, just as Tolkien had intended the book to do.
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I read the trilogy for the first time about 24 years ago when I was in 7th grade and have read it a couple of more times since then, so I'm a pretty big fan. I knew the movie wouldn't be able to replicate every detail of the book, so I was pretty happy with the movie. You can nitpick it to death if you want, but what's the point? Just enjoy it as a movie.
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| Quote : Plus, it would have laid the groundwork for those who hadn't read the books before, just as Tolkien had intended the book to do. |
I don't think Tolkien originally wrote the Hobbit as a prelude to LOTR. He wrote it as a children's story for his son, I believe. He started LOTR later as a way to use his made-up Elven language and then "the tale grew in the telling" as he put it.
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HAHA...they didn't go very far into the second book phoneix. I think it made for a better ending too by the way they did it. Had they ended it like the first book ends, it would have really confused people. I am in a Directing major right now, and I don't think you realize how difficult it is to transform a book, esp. like Tolkien's, into a movie. Anyway, we all have our opinions...
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you're right tlaughrey. In fact he never wanted to have LOTR's published as a trilogy. He meant it for one entire book, which would have been around 1000 pages long. That's why the first book ends the way it does. It really wasn't supposed to end. Probably even more of a reason for the movie to have a more definate ending (by slightly getting into the 2nd book) than the original one.
What I am excited about is how they will make the Ents look in the second movie. That will be a real challenge. I also hope Gollum doesn't look too...well, um CGI, if you know what I mean. The huge cave troll and the CGI sequences with him looked totally fake, but the few scenes with Gollum looked pretty good I thought. The CGI cave troll would be the only gripe I had with the movie.
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I'm gonna side with phoneix on this one. The movie wasn't bad it just would have been better if it ended with gandaly falling. I also completely agree with phoneix that if they hadn't gone into extra lovie crap that wasn't in the book there would have been more time for the stuff that was. In light of phoneix's further reasons I restate that the Hobbit would have made a better first movie if jrrt intended it to be first or not.
The best thing about how the movie ended was Ron. Ron is the big guy I went to see the movie with and he wasn't crazy about some stupid fairy movie to begin with. By the end his arthritis was acting up and he really needed to pee. When they started rolling the credits in the middle of nothing I just bust out laughing. Ron HATED it, which of course meant that I LOVED the fact that he hated it. He blamed me entirely for his displeasure, figuring that I knew about the crappy ending which I didn't. He was so mad that for days he went around telling people about the hell I had put him through and how much the movie sucked. Most every one he told liked the movie and just thought he was crazy which of course added to my pleasure.
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The extra lovie crap?? It was in the book too, just was paraphrased. I'm glad they went into details about that, because she ends up marrying him in the last book and gives up her immortality to be with him. Elrond get's upset about it and all, blah, blah, blah. And why end with Gandalf falling? That would have pissed me off and would have been a terrible ending. Why call it the fellowship of the ring at all if it ended there? The fellowship ends when they all break up at the river, which is why the movie/book ends there too.
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The extra lovie crap? Are we talking about the one scene in Rivendell with Arwen and Aragorn that takes up what, a few minutes? I don't think skipping that would have let them add a whole lot of other stuff.
Is there more lovie stuff that I'm forgetting about?
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That was the ONLY lovie stuff in the movie, and I thought it was great that they actually added it. Tolkien wasn't good at writing romance as it was never really brought out in his book (but it was there, you just have to read a little deeper), though the movie does it perfectly.
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For a sub-literary piece of work, the LoTR is pretty engaging.
I didn't think much of the movie, however. I thought it typical how it couldn't be filmatized effectively before now. With recent advances in computer graphics and special effects, this has changed, and they made another mega-movie with computer monsters and nail-biting situations and very little thrill, just a lot of noise.
The early parts of the film (before the horror) was bland and I hated the "party" they were having. Nothing realistic about their behaviour.
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Explain why the party wasn't realistic.
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I'm talking about their behaviour, their animalism.
I see that there's a Star Trek thread going here as well, and I think that ST has a similar problem: it's too sterile! Although ST tries to raise the level of conversation to a somewhat philosophical / ethical level, they're still to sterile, too clean, to un-human. Still like ST, though!
I felt that LotR had a similar problem: the actors weren't terribly good at behaving like normal people, perhaps with a few exceptions (Gandalf).
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But they aren't normal people, they are hobbits, and they have their own way of behaving. I actually thought the party/Shire was the part of the movie that most resembled the book. They did make some slight changes, like with Pippen and Merry causing the dragon firework to go off, but I thought that was fitting because it seemed like they would do something like that anyway (in the book Gandalf is the one who lights the dragon firework to surprise Bilbo). I think the reason they put some information about the Hobbit before the Shire scene was to give people that are not familar with the LOTR trilogy some info to go on. Did you read the books?
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Actually, the first chapter of the book has received a lot of criticism due to the Dr. Seuss nature of Bilbo's party, with all the different Hobbit names and such. I usually just skip it now when I reread the books. I thought the movie handled it pretty well considering.
My favorite part of the movie was the sequence in Moria. I liked seeing the Balrog, I thought they did a good job with that. I thought the atmosphere was good in those underground sequences.
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I think you are a little touchy on this subject. So far no one is really ripping on the movie.
PS they did do a great job on the fire monster thingy. I liked the cute round door hobbit holes too. I was a little confused about the hairry feet. I thought only some types of hobbits had hairry feet and that was one way to tell the difference. I only say the movie once and I don't remember them going into much difference between the hobbits. The movie lumps them into one big group. I get a kick out of the conflict with the slackville bagginses in the book.
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Well, all hobbits have hairy feet. I'm just responding a lot because I am at work and bored, that and because I know a lot about the LOTR trilogy (read it 3 times). I wish that they would have gone deeper into the Sacksville's conflict a little more, as they didn't even show Frodo selling Bag End to them (in fact I don't think he sold anything in the movie, very different from the book). It will be a problem for the ending of the movie because in the book it has a lot to do with what happens to the Shire later on when they return. Will be interesting to see how they solve this little problem.
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Not that this matters all that much but don't some hobbits have far more hair on their feet then others?
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I might have read the hairry feet thing in the newly written prelude which explains about hobbits and their ways. Anyone have a new edition to verify?
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Well, yeah, some do. But not to a great extent (all have hair on their feet). Ones that have the most are the Proudfoots (which was in the movie!! I was surprised at that one).
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No. The hobbit feet thing was explained more in "The Hobbit" than in LOTR's. The only reference to hair on the feet in LOTR's was when the Proudfoot's yell out proud feet. If there are any other references, I don't remember them, but I can't think of any others.
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Musta been the beards not the hairy feet I was thinkin of. From LOTR FOTR prologue "No Harfoot or Fallohide had any trace of a beard."
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Saw it in the theaters, once.
I was very impressed by the CG work in it.
However, I wish P.Jacksson had put in a little more excessive violence in it.
But I guess it would´nt appeal to everyone if he did.
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ive seen it. nice graphics and special effects..
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I knew I said that wrong...you call them CG's, not CGI's, right?
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I haven't seen this movie.
Personally I go to see a movie about once a year because the ticket prices and the price for popcorn and a pop are so exorbitantly high.
Plus I am 5'9" tall so the odds of a 6'3" person sitting in front of me with a hat on are very good. I get irritated very easily when I spend $18 and my view of the screen is blocked.
I was in one theater a few times where the ticket prices were regular theater chain price but every theater seat was a high back reclining bucket with individual arm rests (not shared). And the slope of the theater floor was such that every seat had an unobstructed view of the screen no matter how tall the person in front of you was.
I saw in the news a couple of weeks ago that theater was closed down because it wasn't handicap accessible. It also happened to be a theater that turned over one hell of a profit because it would constantly sell out every seat.
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Damn, where do you live? Here's another question...anyone like the soundtrack to the movie?
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Man, that sucks. But on a lighter note, I got a bootleg copy of a trailer to the second movie. I just couldn't resist getting it. All I have to say is--I can't wait.
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I thought the movie was awesome. I'm not sure anyone could do the 'game' any justice, not even the Coastal Wizards.
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