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Anonymous
September 24, 2004 4:49:51 PM

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Only partially correct.

I bought some walmart 700 meg CD-R's. couldn't use Studio to record a TV show
to them. wrong format. found out I needed a DVD-R disk to write TV shows to.
Bought some 4.x gig DVD-R's. I was told they can be used as plain old data
disks also, Tried to write some programs and 2 folders of mp3's under 2 gigs to
the DVD-R because they won't all fit on a 700 meg CD-R.

now it shows 0 bytes and 0 bytes free on the DVD-R's what's going on ?
Tried a second DVD-R same thing 0 bytes total disk space, and 0 bytes free.
I did write 3 half hour shows to a DVD-R the other day with Studio 8. and the
explorer has no trouble writing to CD-R's
I was kind of hoping to be able to use these 4.x gig DVD-R's as data disks also
for those programs that require more than 1 CD-R to keep all the programs in
one place.

The drive itself is a brand new Liteon DVD-R and hasn't shown any problems. I
also upgraded to SP2 this AM.
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Anonymous
September 24, 2004 5:04:22 PM

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"Husky" wrote:

| Only partially correct.
|
| I bought some walmart 700 meg CD-R's. couldn't use Studio to record a TV show
| to them. wrong format. found out I needed a DVD-R disk to write TV shows to.
| Bought some 4.x gig DVD-R's. I was told they can be used as plain old data
| disks also, Tried to write some programs and 2 folders of mp3's under 2 gigs to
| the DVD-R because they won't all fit on a 700 meg CD-R.
|
| now it shows 0 bytes and 0 bytes free on the DVD-R's what's going on ?
| Tried a second DVD-R same thing 0 bytes total disk space, and 0 bytes free.
| I did write 3 half hour shows to a DVD-R the other day with Studio 8. and the
| explorer has no trouble writing to CD-R's
| I was kind of hoping to be able to use these 4.x gig DVD-R's as data disks also
| for those programs that require more than 1 CD-R to keep all the programs in
| one place.
|
| The drive itself is a brand new Liteon DVD-R and hasn't shown any problems. I
| also upgraded to SP2 this AM.
| --
Anonymous
September 24, 2004 9:46:58 PM

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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:04:22 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"
<cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

Thanks. I've been to this site b4. The drive was some sort of special. ie:
Distributor drive. or OEM. not boxed.
I couldn't find anything last time I visited this site. pretty much the same at
ATI. huge web site, and not a bit of useful information. Either too many
questions, or the wrong one's cause I normally find the sites I need help from
the actual answer I'm looking for is either non-existent, or never found.

>Welcome to LiteOn Technical Support and Service
>http://www.liteon.com/prod/getService.do?xml_id=4_6&xml...

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Anonymous
September 25, 2004 1:26:03 AM

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Husky wrote:
> Only partially correct.
>
> I bought some walmart 700 meg CD-R's. couldn't use Studio to record a
> TV show to them. wrong format. found out I needed a DVD-R disk to
> write TV shows to. Bought some 4.x gig DVD-R's. I was told they can
> be used as plain old data disks also, Tried to write some programs
> and 2 folders of mp3's under 2 gigs to the DVD-R because they won't
> all fit on a 700 meg CD-R.
>
> now it shows 0 bytes and 0 bytes free on the DVD-R's what's going on ?
> Tried a second DVD-R same thing 0 bytes total disk space, and 0 bytes
> free.
> I did write 3 half hour shows to a DVD-R the other day with Studio 8.
> and the explorer has no trouble writing to CD-R's
> I was kind of hoping to be able to use these 4.x gig DVD-R's as data
> disks also for those programs that require more than 1 CD-R to keep
> all the programs in one place.
>
> The drive itself is a brand new Liteon DVD-R and hasn't shown any
> problems. I also upgraded to SP2 this AM.

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Anonymous
September 25, 2004 9:26:02 AM

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What are you using to burn data DVDs with?
I use Nero, ISO format. This is not the same as a packet writer like INCD
or DirectCD or XPs native CD packet writer. Does not natively work in
windows explorer, you have to open the application to do this. The media
(Wal-Mart) itself could be the problem. Try a different reseller brand for
the DVD media.

Suggested newsgroups if your news server carries them:
alt.video.dvd.authoring
alt video.dvd.software
alt.video.dvdr
"Husky" <cbminfo@toast.net> wrote in message
news:mgj8l0t9am0gkpte8pnv3v869s6uh93de7@4ax.com...
> Only partially correct.
>
> I bought some walmart 700 meg CD-R's. couldn't use Studio to record a TV
show
> to them. wrong format. found out I needed a DVD-R disk to write TV shows
to.
> Bought some 4.x gig DVD-R's. I was told they can be used as plain old data
> disks also, Tried to write some programs and 2 folders of mp3's under 2
gigs to
> the DVD-R because they won't all fit on a 700 meg CD-R.
>
> now it shows 0 bytes and 0 bytes free on the DVD-R's what's going on ?
> Tried a second DVD-R same thing 0 bytes total disk space, and 0 bytes
free.
> I did write 3 half hour shows to a DVD-R the other day with Studio 8. and
the
> explorer has no trouble writing to CD-R's
> I was kind of hoping to be able to use these 4.x gig DVD-R's as data disks
also
> for those programs that require more than 1 CD-R to keep all the programs
in
> one place.
>
> The drive itself is a brand new Liteon DVD-R and hasn't shown any
problems. I
> also upgraded to SP2 this AM.
> --
> more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html
Anonymous
September 27, 2004 7:06:07 PM

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Liteon DVD-R i would rate as fair, longevity not great. With sp2 you can
burn track at once as multisession not being restricted by the 4 gigabyte
limit pre-sp2 on ntfs. Sp2 has fixed the issue of the multisession dvd with
a limit of 4 gigabytes on a ntfs formatted hard drive. Of course before you
could burn 4.7 gigs in one shot. Don't believe the garbage you read on some
of these newsgroups don't use nero use recordnow max the earlier versions of
copytodvd or NTI CD and DVD-Maker Platinum. You're closing the dvd disc the
first time you write to it probably the default option of the software
change it to multisession in options. I've been using vegas 5 or TMPGEnc 3.0
to encode also been using riverpast video cleaner so i can use AC3 sound
instead of paying for the AC3 option in TMPGenc. Been using dvd architect
2.0 to prepare the dvd's and NTI CD and DVD-Maker Platinum to burn them.


"Husky" <cbminfo@toast.net> wrote in message
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> Only partially correct.
>
> I bought some walmart 700 meg CD-R's. couldn't use Studio to record a TV
> show
> to them. wrong format. found out I needed a DVD-R disk to write TV shows
> to.
> Bought some 4.x gig DVD-R's. I was told they can be used as plain old data
> disks also, Tried to write some programs and 2 folders of mp3's under 2
> gigs to
> the DVD-R because they won't all fit on a 700 meg CD-R.
>
> now it shows 0 bytes and 0 bytes free on the DVD-R's what's going on ?
> Tried a second DVD-R same thing 0 bytes total disk space, and 0 bytes
> free.
> I did write 3 half hour shows to a DVD-R the other day with Studio 8. and
> the
> explorer has no trouble writing to CD-R's
> I was kind of hoping to be able to use these 4.x gig DVD-R's as data disks
> also
> for those programs that require more than 1 CD-R to keep all the programs
> in
> one place.
>
> The drive itself is a brand new Liteon DVD-R and hasn't shown any
> problems. I
> also upgraded to SP2 this AM.
> --
> more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html
Anonymous
September 27, 2004 7:51:07 PM

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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:06:07 -0400, "Hopscotch Whiskey"
<TheBoozeCruise@justpassingby> wrote:

>Liteon DVD-R i would rate as fair, longevity not great. With sp2 you can
>burn track at once as multisession not being restricted by the 4 gigabyte
>limit pre-sp2 on ntfs. Sp2 has fixed the issue of the multisession dvd with
>a limit of 4 gigabytes on a ntfs formatted hard drive. Of course before you
>could burn 4.7 gigs in one shot. Don't believe the garbage you read on some
>of these newsgroups don't use nero use recordnow max the earlier versions of
If recordnow is going to stick directcd back on my machine I'll pass. 1st
directcd isn't compatible with XP pro. and 2nd it won't remove easily. and 3rd
it screws up CD's when it does attempt to install itself.
I'm not real comfortable with anything roxio anymore. I bought the ATI aiw128
and it came with videowave2. Luckily that thing still works on XP pro. I
intended to upgrade to vw7, but vw7 was a step backwards from vw2.
They couldn't handle my problem with directcd. so I had to dig thru the
registry by hand and remove everything roxio.

>copytodvd or NTI CD and DVD-Maker Platinum. You're closing the dvd disc the
>first time you write to it probably the default option of the software
>change it to multisession in options. I've been using vegas 5 or TMPGEnc 3.0
>to encode also been using riverpast video cleaner so i can use AC3 sound
>instead of paying for the AC3 option in TMPGenc. Been using dvd architect
>2.0 to prepare the dvd's and NTI CD and DVD-Maker Platinum to burn them.
>
>
cripes isn't there an all in one package that does it all ? As for Nero, the
place that sold me the machine DVD's and drive, said Nero would be the program
to use for data to 4.x gig CD's.
Since I already have it installed I'll most likely go that route.
but the list of software should be useful if Nero becomes too wieldy.

>"Husky" <cbminfo@toast.net> wrote in message
>news:mgj8l0t9am0gkpte8pnv3v869s6uh93de7@4ax.com...
>> Only partially correct.
>>
>> I bought some walmart 700 meg CD-R's. couldn't use Studio to record a TV
>> show
>> to them. wrong format. found out I needed a DVD-R disk to write TV shows
>> to.
>> Bought some 4.x gig DVD-R's. I was told they can be used as plain old data
>> disks also, Tried to write some programs and 2 folders of mp3's under 2
>> gigs to
>> the DVD-R because they won't all fit on a 700 meg CD-R.
>>
>> now it shows 0 bytes and 0 bytes free on the DVD-R's what's going on ?
>> Tried a second DVD-R same thing 0 bytes total disk space, and 0 bytes
>> free.
>> I did write 3 half hour shows to a DVD-R the other day with Studio 8. and
>> the
>> explorer has no trouble writing to CD-R's
>> I was kind of hoping to be able to use these 4.x gig DVD-R's as data disks
>> also
>> for those programs that require more than 1 CD-R to keep all the programs
>> in
>> one place.
>>
>> The drive itself is a brand new Liteon DVD-R and hasn't shown any
>> problems. I
>> also upgraded to SP2 this AM.
>> --
>> more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html
>

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Anonymous
September 27, 2004 10:55:50 PM

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There are versions of nero that don't seem to work properly. The problem is
there are too many versions. Some versions choke on a long file name and
bang a coaster other versions omit a long file name though most names don't
exceed the udf limit. The older versions of CopytoDvd let you write at the
maximum speed of the dvd burner not the speed rating of the dvd disc.
"Husky" <cbminfo@toast.net> wrote in message
news:9argl0p9ch3fvf9fnie4ggk2kfbq00uf2t@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:06:07 -0400, "Hopscotch Whiskey"
> <TheBoozeCruise@justpassingby> wrote:
>
>>Liteon DVD-R i would rate as fair, longevity not great. With sp2 you can
>>burn track at once as multisession not being restricted by the 4 gigabyte
>>limit pre-sp2 on ntfs. Sp2 has fixed the issue of the multisession dvd
>>with
>>a limit of 4 gigabytes on a ntfs formatted hard drive. Of course before
>>you
>>could burn 4.7 gigs in one shot. Don't believe the garbage you read on
>>some
>>of these newsgroups don't use nero use recordnow max the earlier versions
>>of
> If recordnow is going to stick directcd back on my machine I'll pass. 1st
> directcd isn't compatible with XP pro. and 2nd it won't remove easily. and
> 3rd
> it screws up CD's when it does attempt to install itself.
> I'm not real comfortable with anything roxio anymore. I bought the ATI
> aiw128
> and it came with videowave2. Luckily that thing still works on XP pro. I
> intended to upgrade to vw7, but vw7 was a step backwards from vw2.
> They couldn't handle my problem with directcd. so I had to dig thru the
> registry by hand and remove everything roxio.
>
>>copytodvd or NTI CD and DVD-Maker Platinum. You're closing the dvd disc
>>the
>>first time you write to it probably the default option of the software
>>change it to multisession in options. I've been using vegas 5 or TMPGEnc
>>3.0
>>to encode also been using riverpast video cleaner so i can use AC3 sound
>>instead of paying for the AC3 option in TMPGenc. Been using dvd architect
>>2.0 to prepare the dvd's and NTI CD and DVD-Maker Platinum to burn them.
>>
>>
> cripes isn't there an all in one package that does it all ? As for Nero,
> the
> place that sold me the machine DVD's and drive, said Nero would be the
> program
> to use for data to 4.x gig CD's.
> Since I already have it installed I'll most likely go that route.
> but the list of software should be useful if Nero becomes too wieldy.
>
>>"Husky" <cbminfo@toast.net> wrote in message
>>news:mgj8l0t9am0gkpte8pnv3v869s6uh93de7@4ax.com...
>>> Only partially correct.
>>>
>>> I bought some walmart 700 meg CD-R's. couldn't use Studio to record a TV
>>> show
>>> to them. wrong format. found out I needed a DVD-R disk to write TV shows
>>> to.
>>> Bought some 4.x gig DVD-R's. I was told they can be used as plain old
>>> data
>>> disks also, Tried to write some programs and 2 folders of mp3's under 2
>>> gigs to
>>> the DVD-R because they won't all fit on a 700 meg CD-R.
>>>
>>> now it shows 0 bytes and 0 bytes free on the DVD-R's what's going on ?
>>> Tried a second DVD-R same thing 0 bytes total disk space, and 0 bytes
>>> free.
>>> I did write 3 half hour shows to a DVD-R the other day with Studio 8.
>>> and
>>> the
>>> explorer has no trouble writing to CD-R's
>>> I was kind of hoping to be able to use these 4.x gig DVD-R's as data
>>> disks
>>> also
>>> for those programs that require more than 1 CD-R to keep all the
>>> programs
>>> in
>>> one place.
>>>
>>> The drive itself is a brand new Liteon DVD-R and hasn't shown any
>>> problems. I
>>> also upgraded to SP2 this AM.
>>> --
>>> more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html
>>
>
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Anonymous
September 29, 2004 2:38:40 AM

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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:06:07 -0400, "Hopscotch Whiskey"
<TheBoozeCruise@justpassingby> wrote:

Well I saved this and tried copytodvd. nti cd is over 27 megs. Not worth a 3
hour download for a trial to me. DVD maker platinum and DVD architect are
either no longer in production, or have a horrible place on search engines.
I have 3 bad DVD disks now with nothing on them.

Nero might have ruined one or two of these dvds, but none of the recording
software so far has reacted any differently to the disks at all.

the copytodvd did a lot of spinning and red light writing, and taking forever
to clean up, only to have a blank disk when done.

here's a log file of copytodvd.
:9/28/2004 8:49:06 PM info ********** Report session closed ***********
:9/28/2004 8:48:48 PM info Write completed
:9/28/2004 8:48:48 PM info Average speed x2.92 Reference x1 = 1385.00 kbps
:9/28/2004 8:48:48 PM info Total burning time 00:08:24.469
:9/28/2004 8:40:23 PM info Starting write buffer
:9/28/2004 8:40:23 PM info Starting to write...
:9/28/2004 8:40:23 PM info Buffer under-run proof enabled
:9/28/2004 8:40:23 PM warning Setting conflict: SAO writing mode for DVD-R doesn't allow multisession. DVD will be closed at finalization.
:9/28/2004 8:40:23 PM info DVD-R SAO writing mode selected
:9/28/2004 8:40:23 PM info Writing speed requested x4.0, effective x4.0
:9/28/2004 8:40:23 PM info another write session will be allowed after this session.
:9/28/2004 8:40:23 PM info Open Image file "C:\Documents and Settings\ken.SHEBA\Application Data\CopyToDvd\COPYTODVD_09282004_203924_437.iso"
:9/28/2004 8:40:23 PM info Available sector size : 2297888
:9/28/2004 8:40:23 PM info Media ID: PRINCO
:9/28/2004 8:40:23 PM info 120mm DVD Single Layer
:9/28/2004 8:40:23 PM info Detected media $0011: DVD-R
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info Multisession is enabled in filesystem
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info 120mm DVD Single Layer
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info Detected media $0011: DVD-R
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info Finished browsing files - Data size 779 Mb.
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info Start Browsing file structures
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info Supported Media: DVD-R, DVD-RW Seq., DVD-RW RO, DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R, CD-RW
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info Writing device used: 3:0:0 - LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-812S US0F [Y] (Ide)
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info Using Patin-Couffin driver Version 1.24, Internal revision 24
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info Using File/Directory list.
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info ParamStr 4 = "/writespeed=4.0"
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info ParamStr 3 = "/writedevice=Y"
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info ParamStr 2 = "/volumename=New_Disc"
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info ParamStr 1 = "/datafl=C:\PROGRA~1\VSO\COPYTO~1\~c2c_fl.tmp"
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info ParamStr 0 = "C:\PROGRA~1\VSO\COPYTO~1\CopyToCd.exe"
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info User default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info System default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info Version 3.0.30.48
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info ExeName : "C:\PROGRA~1\VSO\COPYTO~1\CopyToCd.exe"
:9/28/2004 8:39:24 PM info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
All the programs came back with pretty much the same information.

:9/28/2004 8:40:23 PM warning Setting conflict: SAO writing mode for DVD-R doesn't allow multisession. DVD will be closed at finalization.
this above may have screwed me on using the DVD a 2nd time.
Why is it DVD software can't at least attempt to not screw things up.
I had pretty much the same luck with a HP cd / rw. I may have 10-15 workable
cd's from 2-3 years of the hp.

They play, but when it comes to writing they seem to go brain dead.
Even the software that came with the DVD is worthless. You'd think the
manufacturer would at least bundle working software with their machines.

>Liteon DVD-R i would rate as fair, longevity not great. With sp2 you can
>burn track at once as multisession not being restricted by the 4 gigabyte
>limit pre-sp2 on ntfs. Sp2 has fixed the issue of the multisession dvd with
>a limit of 4 gigabytes on a ntfs formatted hard drive. Of course before you
>could burn 4.7 gigs in one shot. Don't believe the garbage you read on some
>of these newsgroups don't use nero use recordnow max the earlier versions of
>copytodvd or NTI CD and DVD-Maker Platinum. You're closing the dvd disc the
>first time you write to it probably the default option of the software
>change it to multisession in options. I've been using vegas 5 or TMPGEnc 3.0
>to encode also been using riverpast video cleaner so i can use AC3 sound
>instead of paying for the AC3 option in TMPGenc. Been using dvd architect
>2.0 to prepare the dvd's and NTI CD and DVD-Maker Platinum to burn them.
>
>
>"Husky" <cbminfo@toast.net> wrote in message
>news:mgj8l0t9am0gkpte8pnv3v869s6uh93de7@4ax.com...
>> Only partially correct.
>>
>> I bought some walmart 700 meg CD-R's. couldn't use Studio to record a TV
>> show
>> to them. wrong format. found out I needed a DVD-R disk to write TV shows
>> to.
>> Bought some 4.x gig DVD-R's. I was told they can be used as plain old data
>> disks also, Tried to write some programs and 2 folders of mp3's under 2
>> gigs to
>> the DVD-R because they won't all fit on a 700 meg CD-R.
>>
>> now it shows 0 bytes and 0 bytes free on the DVD-R's what's going on ?
>> Tried a second DVD-R same thing 0 bytes total disk space, and 0 bytes
>> free.
>> I did write 3 half hour shows to a DVD-R the other day with Studio 8. and
>> the
>> explorer has no trouble writing to CD-R's
>> I was kind of hoping to be able to use these 4.x gig DVD-R's as data disks
>> also
>> for those programs that require more than 1 CD-R to keep all the programs
>> in
>> one place.
>>
>> The drive itself is a brand new Liteon DVD-R and hasn't shown any
>> problems. I
>> also upgraded to SP2 this AM.
>> --
>> more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html
>

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Anonymous
September 29, 2004 9:10:20 PM

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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:17:23 -0600, "Harry Ohrn" <harry---@webtree.ca> wrote:

that's interesting I have 2 primary IDE channels, and 2 secondaries. the DMA
info is on the secondaries, but all are set to use if available.
I've been wanting to use one of these DVD's as a DVD's for some TV shows. The
writer worked for a different DVD's disk writing some TV shows, so that tells
me the writer works. and it's been backing up data to blank CD's for awhile.
it's something to do with these DVD's disks I'm using.

>What are your DMA setting set at for the controller your DVD Writer is on?
>Check here if you don't know what I mean
>http://www.blackmaxpc.com/Guides/Enable_DMA.htm

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Anonymous
September 30, 2004 2:02:31 AM

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I have a Liteon DVD RW drive and that came with SonicMyDvd if that's any
help.
Joan

Husky wrote:
>
> I just wrote liteon to see what software they recommend.
Anonymous
September 30, 2004 2:02:32 AM

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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:02:31 +0100, "Joan Archer" <archer_joan@NOSPAM.com>
wrote:

well the only link I found doesn't have a demo or download option. So it really
isn't any help.
The fact that all the software I've tried so far has failed with nearly the
exact same error, tells me it's probably the disks.

>I have a Liteon DVD RW drive and that came with SonicMyDvd if that's any
>help.
>Joan
>
>Husky wrote:
>>
>> I just wrote liteon to see what software they recommend.
>

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