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February 21, 2008 7:18:29 PM

Setting up a macro on a n52 so when the button is held it repeats weapon fire making semi autos full auto. I hear alot about mouse wheel and muiltiple fire buttons to get a very fast fire rate with semi autos and it sounds controversial. Curious as to where macros stand in FPS games.

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February 21, 2008 7:26:05 PM

Interesting point. I'd say it isn't cheating but clever. It would be cheating if you tweaked the actual game or game files. If the community really doesn't like the macros or similar tweaks then the publishers will include a fix for it in the next patch.

**Updated- Looks like many people don't like your macro. Be ready to see a fix in the next patch soon enough. If this point is being raised here at TH, then I'm sure the COD4 community is fully aware of it by now and from the looks of it, many are in disagreement with the use of macros as they consider it cheating or an unfair advantage.**
February 21, 2008 7:32:35 PM

Alex The PC Gamer said:
I'd say it isn't cheating but clever. It would be cheating if you tweaked the actual game or game files.



That was my thoughts on it too but figured I would see what people think before I go ahead and use it online. I did try it out to see how it works and it makes the G3 rifle and M9 pistol very OP because of the insane rate of fire with very little recoil. From watchin some kill cams it seems as if lots of people are doing it already.
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February 22, 2008 10:21:45 AM

I agree with Alex' point but be prepared to face a lot of verbal abuse online if you're the first to bring it to the battlefield. If you don't care about that, then I'd say go for it.
February 22, 2008 12:18:50 PM


I don't get why people go for this kind of stuff. Do you want to play the game and have fun or are you only interested in getting a higher killcount? The killcount means nothing to anyone else and if you know you're only getting it because of some macro then it means even less to you too. Maybe you just want to level up faster but then, what for? To get prestige mode and do it all over again?

February 22, 2008 1:19:04 PM

Using 3rd party programs to make the game do something it wasnt meant to do?

If those guns were supposed to be full auto don't you think they would have been made that way?

If you have to ask, its probably cheating.
February 22, 2008 2:20:47 PM

Nah, It's not cheating. Lame, Yes. The game should have been made in such a way where that couldn't happen. Just know that everyone doing this is seriously lacking skills :) 
February 22, 2008 2:26:01 PM

Its well known and Punkbuster doesnt block it so no its not cheating, plus anyone can get a mouse with that ability and program a macro to do it so it doesnt create an unfair advantage.
February 22, 2008 2:28:35 PM

PS I suck and dont care if I am lame or lack skills :)  I play an hour or so a night so I guess I'll never be L337! The people that get me are the ones with a 8+ to 1 KDR and who probably are hacking. Why dont we worry more about real hackers?

Isnt the G3 in single player full auto? I think it is and man it is cool...
February 22, 2008 2:49:05 PM

If you are even considering doing this, then you had/have no skill in the 1st place. :whistle: 

It's not technically a cheat, only coz PB can't detect it, except that you are cheating/lying to your self. To some people this is not a problem.

To those people i say bring it on beeeaaachaz!!!!!!

In the end you are still making something do something it is not meant to do (ie you are cheating).

Now a game like COD4 is supposed to have weapons that behave in a certain way, just like they do in real life. By doing this it means that the weapon/s no longer behave/s the way they do in real life or in the game like they where intended.

You get my drift here, but I am sure there will be someone people who will pick this apart.

Let the fun begin!!!! :sol:  :bounce:  :pt1cable: 
February 22, 2008 2:49:15 PM

Snipers should always have 8 to 1 KDR :) 
February 22, 2008 2:52:03 PM

Agreed Mr.Rock
February 23, 2008 6:21:14 AM

indeed... Not really cheating anymore than buying a high dpi mouse, or having a video card that will push a high resolution so you can clearly see enemies that are far away. I can click my mouse button quite fast... unless there is some glitch in the game that needs to be patched i don't think it's a real issue. If i'm understanding this correctly, you essentially just change the input into the game so it repeats quickly? Although I see how you can find this frustrating, (i used to pwn q3 rail wars till everyone started using bots) I don't think it's a full blown "cheat". I wired up an xbox port so i can jsut plug it into my usb connection port and put use a slot on the back of my case for any given controller... and there are controllers that are "programmable" so i could just program one button to hit any function so many times in a row, then reload.... so i dunno, iffy subject... I suppose if the game allows a rapid rate of fire... then it's not cheating, provided that it's not super unrealistic in that it unloads a full clip so the bullets are all coming out faster than the actual gun can do so. but that's my opinion and i have not yet played the game... and yes.. i understand the frustration. If you really are annoyed, just get good enough to own them without the alleged 'cheat', that'll piss em off. :-p
so basically, just a complicated reiteration of some of the previous posts. haha.
February 25, 2008 11:11:52 AM

BigMac said:
I agree with Alex' point but be prepared to face a lot of verbal abuse online if you're the first to bring it to the battlefield. If you don't care about that, then I'd say go for it.


After playing battlefield 2 for 2 years, I can safely say verbal abuse is unavoidable whatever you do lol. Ive had abuse from the other team even when my team is having its ass handed to it and i jump into a tank in some last gasp desperate last stand type thing and get a few kills. I dont really know if rapid-single-fire is cheating really or not 'in the spirit' of the game, when people do things like camping and use joysticks for flying (sorry back to bf2) or super-duper mice, or instantly prone whenever confronted, or jumping and proning, or whatever. Try it out but remember your not good until you can do it manually lol.
February 25, 2008 11:53:46 AM

@ Macroing to make a gun shoot faster -- Just about every CS:S and COD4 server with decent admins has immediately kicked anyone they found doing so. Maybe it's just the people I game with... but figured I'd let you know what to expect.

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Snipers should always have 8 to 1 KDR :) 
8 to 1? I remember when I unlocked the achievement to not die in a round I was up to 51 Kills - 0 Deaths. I think it was on Crossfire. :D  Do this a few times and you learn how to really snipe. Then you'll start getting those "UR A HACKER DUD! THERES NO WAI YOU COULD HAV SHOT ME THERE!!!!!!" Ah, good times.

February 25, 2008 2:07:16 PM

you have surpassed human limitations with macros. you've cheated.
February 25, 2008 8:57:04 PM

Yeah it's cheating, and even if you may not be banned everywhere, it's not a rate at what your finger could ever click.
Ie cheating.

It's just bad taste mostly, play with an automatic if you want rapid fire.
February 25, 2008 9:41:09 PM

I would say it's cheating. About 1/3 of my total deaths can probably be attributed to 1 or more guys with aimbots,wall hacks,etc.who are having a grand time being a pain in the posterior. My suggestion is rent a server and call it "hack server" or "cheat server" where all the douchebags can hack each other.Or you can give up on your plans for world domination and just play a good,clean game for the gipper.
February 26, 2008 4:03:57 AM

Borderline cheating, very very lame.

I say play the game the way its meant to be played.

PS. Its so fun to kill hackers by out witting them cuz they suck so bad. Can always tell a skilless hacker cuz their movements are all **** and slow but their aim and health is insane.
February 26, 2008 1:03:02 PM

whats wrong with double clicking? i just delved into the multi player part of COD4 last night, and was surprised how good i actually was after 4 hours i have over 250 kills, and am lvl 22 without cheating....u kill most ppl with one click anyway so i dont see how using a macro would give you an edge unless your shooting them in the foot?
February 26, 2008 6:28:53 PM

It is cheating, the semi auto's do higher damage/better accuracy at the cost of a slower fire rate. Auto's have a higher rate of fire at the cost of damage/accuracy. To enable a macro that allows you to rapidly fire a semi auto by holding down a button is cheating. Especially if you do it with a weapon that by default doesnt have an auto mode in reality i.e. M-16 A2/4. Anyway in real life, if the m-16a2 had an auto mode it would be quite useless any way, that crappy ass rifle jams enough on semi as it is, unlike cod4, burst in RL I found to be useless and uncontrollable as well. (I know I served 6 years in the army).
February 28, 2008 1:56:13 PM

In baseball, you can throw a spitball. Its cheating but you can get away with it. In golf, you can use clubs that aren't to spec allowing you to hit it further or you can use an adjustable club giving you an illegal advantage. In NASCAR, the rules specify the setup for the car such that each is car in a race is almost identical and thus it should be the driver's skill that decides who wins the race. Again, there is nothing preventing you from actually using mods or cheats in outdoor sports or online during casual play. I think this mod for COD is cheating. The weapons we have available are designed to give balance to the game so that no one setup is so overpowering over the other. You have a sniper that can kill me with a single shot, yet a slow rate of fire. Well, I have an m60 that has a fire high rate of fire but I need 20 hits to kill you. Its balanced, and thus the players skill should ultimately decide who wins. Its not to say that there aren't some things we can do to gain an advantage. A high performance pc, or a high accuracy mouse I think are all legal in the same way that a player might choose his bat type, glove, or golf ball. Just ask yourself. In the real world, would I be able to make this sniper rifle fire on auto-mode? And isn't COD4 supposed to emulate real life?
February 28, 2008 6:35:19 PM

Its cheating! Stupid and Lame. Why play a game where you test your skills against other players, when you have a clear advantage. If I catch you on my server, Banned you are.

Even with your stupid ticks I will still put a bullet between your eyes.
February 28, 2008 8:26:24 PM

Quote:
Its cheating! Stupid and Lame. Why play a game where you test your skills against other players, when you have a clear advantage. If I catch you on my server, Banned you are.

Even with your stupid ticks I will still put a bullet between your eyes.
Once I started thinking about it in terms of skill vs skill, it became a lot more fun for me. Especially when you run into those that you are are cheating / using methods described above (still cheating) and you just kill them over and over again.
March 4, 2008 4:07:40 AM

rgeist554 said:
@ Macroing to make a gun shoot faster -- Just about every CS:S and COD4 server with decent admins has immediately kicked anyone they found doing so. Maybe it's just the people I game with... but figured I'd let you know what to expect.

Quote:
Snipers should always have 8 to 1 KDR :) 
8 to 1? I remember when I unlocked the achievement to not die in a round I was up to 51 Kills - 0 Deaths. I think it was on Crossfire. :D  Do this a few times and you learn how to really snipe. Then you'll start getting those "UR A HACKER DUD! THERES NO WAI YOU COULD HAV SHOT ME THERE!!!!!!" Ah, good times.


hmm no wonder i am not making any progress in COD4. i am using ATi x1650 + E2160, and i bet real gamers/pros are using systems similar to yours.

but i think i will just hang on to this system and have fun :hello:  :wahoo: 
March 4, 2008 7:30:12 PM

I hate cheaters, should be banned for live on COD4
big egotist, bigger egotist, biggest egotist, cheater

no regrets
March 5, 2008 8:01:10 AM

Technically it's not cheating. Although EA should fix the recoil on it though. I know I use mwheelup in CS 1.6 with dualies, but it only works well at point blank, other than that it's just not worth the bullets.
I think this should be brought up to the developers rather than people on forums to be honest.
March 5, 2008 11:37:11 AM

The problem with any rule based system is that people will find ways to work around the rules faster than the rule makers can create new ones (as a corporate tax advisor I see this every day!). There's only so much devs can do - they can fix problems, but this will delayed until they've spotted a problem and found the resources to fix it.
Given that games only exist for people to enjoy, ultimately the players themselves need to exhibit a bit more honesty and fair play, and police themselves. I hardly play online games anymore as I got fed up with the general tw@ttery that goes on.
March 14, 2008 3:44:14 AM

I agree (with the popular pov). The game does get annoying as crap when one person comes in and screws it all up. This is where having a flexible player matching system could come in handy... just put a trigger that tags the offender and dump em all in the same slow server. :-p

I literally stopped playing my favorite game because of cheaters... there was almost no way to win. every shot was a kill... get 2 or three people in an open map like that and no one can respawn... i guess to them "playing a game" is the equivalent of "watching my computer play a game".

anyway, yeah it sucked... but there's still a place for people who like to play like this... and it's all lumped in together. If there were a cheat enabled server and a non cheat enabled server, i would prolly play both actually... just for the experience. I know every now and again, my buddies and i would play warcraft games with cheats just to change it up a bit.

March 14, 2008 4:00:20 AM

You must not think very highly of yourself if you think you need Macro to get a high kill count. It just shows that you need an extra advantage for lacking real skill. Samething go's for spawn killing and calling in an airstrike in the other teams spawn! Its a dishonorable thing to do!
March 14, 2008 4:05:19 PM

From crysis to gunz to battlefield 2 and 2142 to soldier front. i love owning hackers/cheaters and having a higher score than them makes me feel like a higher human being than them, Nope i dont cheat/hack ever i report those that do how ever.
3rd party program>>>>>>>>>>>>>Human players, and yet i beat the fags that use it. No im not bragging but it has some sort of HELL YEAH kind of feeling to it.
March 14, 2008 4:08:25 PM

Also i think online FPS games need to pull some Blizzard bans (warcraft III), and by that i mean you get caught hacking u get a temporary ban or permanet ban from the game for ever on online play. Need to start selling games with a big fat label on the back saying if you hack you may be permanetly banned from the online multiplayer.

Hackers would be reduced to almost 0 if they had some good strict admins and a fool proof way to make sure if u were hacking or not (which i can even think of some fool proof ways to find out if u were or were not hacking).
March 16, 2008 5:01:46 PM

blizzard=2 servers for d2. Open meaning single player hacked characters. Kept em separate. Something like that is easier... because there are always people that are going to tinker with any given game... it's just a matter of keeping the server separated... And if there's a massive ban pulled it would cause controversy.
March 17, 2008 1:30:16 AM

Wheres the OP at? Its been almost a month now since he posted this thread, is the OP too yellow to grace us with his ultra high skillful presence? :lol: 
March 17, 2008 4:13:54 AM

systemlord said:
Wheres the OP at? Its been almost a month now since he posted this thread, is the OP too yellow to grace us with his ultra high skillful presence? :lol: 


I'm still around reading the new posts here. I wanted to see the views of the FPS community on something like what my OP was about. CoD4 is the first online FPS I ever got into since I was into RTS and RPG, and then 2.5 years of only WoW.

As I got into CoD4 online play it seemed like this game type had a large grey area between cheap tatics to flat out cheating with people doing things like mouse wheel fire binds. Where in an RTS or a MMO fair play and cheating seems more like a hard fine line.

I'm not using a macro online when I play CoD4 because I believe in fair play. I'll be honest thou and admit after I learned about mouse wheel fire and realized how common stuff like this was happening in game it gave me the macro idea and played a couple games just to check it out. The first couple kills were cool cause I felt like I was finnally on even ground with the other grey area people, but then I started feeling cheap cause I knew most of these people I am playing with are playing fair. Out of respect for online gaming fairplay and fellow gamers I discontinued the macro and I apologize.
March 17, 2008 5:47:47 AM

godsizesnakeyes said:
I'm still around reading the new posts here. I wanted to see the views of the FPS community on something like what my OP was about. CoD4 is the first online FPS I ever got into since I was into RTS and RPG, and then 2.5 years of only WoW.

As I got into CoD4 online play it seemed like this game type had a large grey area between cheap tatics to flat out cheating with people doing things like mouse wheel fire binds. Where in an RTS or a MMO fair play and cheating seems more like a hard fine line.

I'm not using a macro online when I play CoD4 because I believe in fair play. I'll be honest thou and admit after I learned about mouse wheel fire and realized how common stuff like this was happening in game it gave me the macro idea and played a couple games just to check it out. The first couple kills were cool cause I felt like I was finnally on even ground with the other grey area people, but then I started feeling cheap cause I knew most of these people I am playing with are playing fair. Out of respect for online gaming fairplay and fellow gamers I discontinued the macro and I apologize.


I knew that would bring you out from hiding, it worked. So anyways technically its not cheating if the hardware allows for it. You'll only be cheating yourself, but to others they might see it as cheating because they don't like the idea of using it themselves, or that everyone else doesn't have that advantage as you do. There are people out there that like to rent servers not only to be the admin but to create a place where others can join and have a good time together.


Now when they see someone join that is upseting all in the server, the admin will tell you whatever you are using to stop using it. Its there little world where there rules are what they are and if you mess that up then that it banned. These admins want everyone to be happy and just have a fun time, but this macro advantage you have makes everyone upset. Theres an old saying, "There will always be someone who pisses in the comunity pool", not everyone will like that trust me.

I have never used any cheat on or offline because whats the point if making it easier for you, I love a challange and the harder the game gets the more fun it is to win. :D 
March 17, 2008 6:12:29 AM

systemlord said:
I knew that would bring you out from hiding, it worked.


Haha ya, I knew it was only a matter of time before someone did to get an idea where I stand on the topic.

You make some good points about player run servers and how things are handled. I think thats whats great about computer gaming. It alows the users more freedom to set there own rules and build a community based on how they would like to play and who with.
March 17, 2008 5:39:07 PM

I don't agree with using macros or scroll shooting. I consider it hacking and I know plenty of servers that will ban (permanently) for it. IMO, play the game it was meant to be played and have fun.
March 17, 2008 11:16:26 PM

lostandwandering said:
I don't agree with using macros or scroll shooting. I consider it hacking and I know plenty of servers that will ban (permanently) for it. IMO, play the game it was meant to be played and have fun.



GodSizeSnakEyes, imagine lostandwandering renting a server and being the admin. Now after what he just said enter the server and use your macros, what do you think will happen? The anser, "will ban (permanently) for it".
March 18, 2008 6:01:16 PM

chaosgs said:
From crysis to gunz to battlefield 2 and 2142 to soldier front. i love owning hackers/cheaters and having a higher score than them makes me feel like a higher human being than them, Nope i dont cheat/hack ever i report those that do how ever.
3rd party program>>>>>>>>>>>>>Human players, and yet i beat the fags that use it. No im not bragging but it has some sort of HELL YEAH kind of feeling to it.


Whats your bf2 & bf2142 nicks? I'll keep an eye out for you and remind you of this statement in game lol. See you on the battlefield soldier!
March 28, 2008 11:26:58 PM

Cheating? According to punkbuster, no. According to 10 out of 12 server ops polled, yes.

Bannable? According to punkbuster, no. According to 12 out of 12 server ops polled, yes.

Bind mousewheel to fire has been around since counterstrike.
March 30, 2008 7:21:22 AM

It's cheating cause your getting an unfair advantage over other players, Period. That's like me buying a mouse that lets me lock onto certain colors.
March 31, 2008 4:36:20 AM

Umm. It's possible to modify an M14 to fire full auto. I'm not sure if this is the gun you're talking about but it makes sense. The only thing about it is the whole recoil thing. I'm not too sure how it would work, I've only played it on 360. IMO, a fullauto M14 isn't a stretch at all, it's the equivalent of doing it to a real gun. Most other players can do the same.

Does it take the fun out of it? IMO, yeah, but if I wanted a gun like that, I'd just use the P90.

*can't wait to get my computer =) *
April 1, 2008 3:06:05 PM

I think its lame to use a macro to fire a weapon for you, if you ever plan on joining a league/ladder i wouldn't start using one, most leagues anti cheat team can pick up that macro in the demo or in their own anti cheat program that you have to run in the background.

A friend of mine uses a N52 speedpad and i dog on him all the time for it, he was busted in CAL for using it and was suspended for 8 months. :bounce: 

Game developers just need to hard code the weapon fire rate better, don't allow players to fire single shot weapons so fast.
April 1, 2008 3:10:20 PM

Sengoku said:
Cheating? According to punkbuster, no. According to 10 out of 12 server ops polled, yes.

Bannable? According to punkbuster, no. According to 12 out of 12 server ops polled, yes.

Bind mousewheel to fire has been around since counterstrike.


The only reason punkbuster doesn't do anything about it is cause the game developers don't want to pay them to detect it.

mousewheel is no where close to what you can do with a macro.
April 7, 2008 9:00:15 PM

systemlord said:
You must not think very highly of yourself if you think you need Macro to get a high kill count. It just shows that you need an extra advantage for lacking real skill. Samething go's for spawn killing and calling in an airstrike in the other teams spawn! Its a dishonorable thing to do!


I agree with you re: the script, but sorry i dont share your feelings on spawn killing and airstriking on spawn, its part of the game, no mercy. I wont deliberatly camp a spawn, but if the flow of the game is shifting and I end up where the opposition is spawning you bet your ass im gonna kill anyone I see. As far as air striking the spawn it happens to me in 95 percent of the games I play(sometimes i get nailed by the same airstrike twice) so I pay back in kind as it is part of the game.

Back to the macro, Just the other day I was playing, and a guy out fired my MP5 with his m9 handgun. we both began firing at the same time, I was on target, upon the replay his m9 looked like a mutant automatic hand gun, that thing blazed through the magazine.
June 22, 2009 6:38:04 PM

tsd16 said:
It is cheating, the semi auto's do higher damage/better accuracy at the cost of a slower fire rate. Auto's have a higher rate of fire at the cost of damage/accuracy. To enable a macro that allows you to rapidly fire a semi auto by holding down a button is cheating. Especially if you do it with a weapon that by default doesnt have an auto mode in reality i.e. M-16 A2/4. Anyway in real life, if the m-16a2 had an auto mode it would be quite useless any way, that crappy ass rifle jams enough on semi as it is, unlike cod4, burst in RL I found to be useless and uncontrollable as well. (I know I served 6 years in the army).





6 yrs in the army and you cant clean an m16 to keep it from jamming...u must suck at video games too
June 22, 2009 7:54:26 PM

I know most competition leauges (TWL, CAL, etc) banned Mouse Wheel Shooting, but not a Rapid Fire Gamepad (with built in rapid fire button) (As of Winter 2008). I do know third party programs to such an effect are banned though.

(Note, I'm a TWL/CAL rulebook :D )
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