PC games are turning into trash.

Half Life 3, nuff said

Strategy games are still alive and well on the PC. There are also some very promising titles on the horizon like Spore and Dragon Age, but I'm not sure those are your thing or not.

I don't think it's the piracy issue that makes consoles sell more games than PC. They're just more accessible (cheaper).

You say that it's harder to pirate console games due to modding issues etc. Technically yes, this is true but in reality if someone really wants to play pirated games then relatively small issues such as this won't stop them.

Also think of a case like this;

Imagine a user who owns both a PC and a console. They want to save money by using pirate games. Since they have limited knowledge of anything above basic PC use (installing games, internet use etc.) they decide to take their console to 'the man on the market' or their 'friend of a friend' whom in a couple of days will return their console modded and with cheap games. This rather than learn the (to PC newbies) daunting task of messing around with cracked executables, copy protections and torrents that are needed on PC. Not to mention said user probably has a slow internet connection not conductive to downloading.

I believe that Blu-ray's copy protection has also been cracked - for quite some time.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multi [...] 75809.html

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/02/ [...] d-bro.html


PC games have taken advantage of high definition graphics for much longer than consoles. The 'next-gen' HD resolutions are 720i/p and 1080i/p (1280x720 and 1920x1080 respectively). Do some research and you'll see that PC games have been capable of 1280x1024 resolution and above for many years now. In fact I recall playing Duke Nukem 3D at a resolution of 1024x768 - very close to the lowest HD resolution of today.

Ascertain the facts before you post sweeping statements.

You don't need a 24" monitor to take advantage of high resolution, only to use resolutions like 1920x1080 and above.

No one. You can't get 1920x1080 17" monitors.

All I'm saying is that consoles did not "come out" with HD graphics first. PC had them long before. Try find anyone worth their salt in this forum who will agree with you.

You are welcome to your own opinion on piracy.

Is that a CRT? I remember some of the old CRTs could muster very high resolutions even with small display size.

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I think that pcs are the only platform for online games. The online fps are just as good as the online console games....if not way better. RTS = pc only. MMOG = pc only. Single player or nononline games = they are close to each other.

BUT!!! Windows has been hacked so many times that the level of frustration for maintaining a game pc games is very high. The cost of hardware also is a lot higher than a console. But when BF2142 is on sale at CCity, for $10 things can even out. As has been said, pcs are also work and communications tools. The thing that separates a work pc and a game pc is simply the videocard.
I sadly heard a rumor that XBOX's have been compromised by hackers but correct me if im wrong.

Do you mean a 24 inch LCD tv that was basically PC technology first? You are right though. True HD looks better on a 24 inch+. But still consoles just continually rip PC's off and then we get the shaft in games. Well except the HL@/TF2 games. Those still rock any console games boots.

OMG, u guys really have to stop this crap...

there will always be pc gaming read flaken666 post in the pc section, it will very clearly enlighten you guys on why it simply isn't going to go away, even if it is just a simple theory it makes too much sense to dismiss...

Don't worry about console gaming, b/c it will always be here b/c there are simply too many idiots who can't deal with the changes of pc hardware to fathom the time to upgrade machines, mess with software upgrade/patches, so on and so on...

besides Microsoft has its own development studios, if you've ever played the highly regarded Age of Empires series you would know that, and I'm sure if more key players like epic decide that they have their panties in a bunch and will go only console, don't worry b/c AMD/ATi, nvidia and other companies that have poured tons of resources into GPU's will probably decide that they do not want to lose market share [in the pc gaming arena] simply b/c pussy developers [like epic] are too scared, and will produce their own development studios for PC gaming...

So don't worry, the PC gaming industry will be here to stay, b/c trust me they are in it, to win it...

dont worry the only reason PC games are what you call trash is cause a lot of them the develpors make nice graphics but dont care about the gameplay AI.TRASH GRAPHICS.because of graphics everybody who wants to play good games like CoD4 all have to buy a gfx card and most of them arent cheap.EA is the worst of all They made trash out of medal of honor and seris like that.Anyway dont worry there still a lot of good games like Rts games and Mmos.

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HD is a long list of standards. We can start with HDMI which has had several revisions of it's official standard so far. Then you have 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p. Then you have the HD broadcasting standards which are set to go live very soon. 7.1 surround is part of the HD audio standards.

Maybe the idea of HD as a concept is kind of silly given that PCs have been capable of and making use of these resolutions for a long time now, but there are most definitely standards involved.

bluray won because it was a better format, it holds more data than hd dvd so rather than having a box set of a entire series on 20 hd dvd's, you will have it on 6 bluray disks


piracy is not a major problem because you don't need to mod your 360 to play pirate games, many of the newer ones will work with no modding at all

the reason why pc gaming has gone to hell is because the makers don't see that not all of us have a 8800 ultra. if you want people to buy your game, don't make it so that only 5% of the market can run it

with consoles, they last a few years and you never have to worry about not being able to run the game, they all run smooth with no lag

with pc, you have the developers focusing on graphics and not gameplay, (while graphics are good, gameplay is more important. the wow effect of a good looking game lasts about 10 minutes. the game play is what lasts through out the game )



when they count piracy to torrents and stuff there looking at the tracker hits and not the completed downloads, if they actually look at those they would see that out of the millions of users with their game, probably 200-500 will have pirate copies.

to DRM your games it costs around $300 thousand dollars or more and it is broken with in hours of a game release so the only people sh suffer from the drm are the legit users who just stop buying the games because of it

a new company made a game and put no protection on it and it was one of the most successful ones of the year

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/po [...] rates.html

people who are likely to pirate wont buy the game anyway even if they couldn't crack it

the harder the game is to run, the less sales it has because instead of selling to a market of 3 billion PC users, there selling to a market of 100-200 thousand pc users because the other 2.9 billion cant run the game.


some of the market that can run them usually don't feel like dealing with drm and will pirate it

compare the system requirements of a PC game to a xbox 360 game. also tell me how many xbox 360 users meet the requirements to run the latest xbox 360 games.



other companies are greedy and fail. no one is going to buy a game based on the box art. if no one is buying your game, then do this, check if your offering a game demo, if not then thats your first problem no one buys something based on the box art (when was the last time someone purchased an atari 2600 game and expected the gameplay to look like the box art, and if you expected that, how did you feel when you actually ran the game?)

it is like those idiots on the street trying to become a rapper, (usually to become one you have to have the support of a lot of fans before you will be noticed to the world) they say crap like you you want to buy my demo cd for $5 (hell no gtfo for all i know it could be you talking about bird feces for 5 hours)

you usually see small game companies boasting about a game you never herd of and expect people to take their word for it and buy the game, if you want to make a successful product, give something for free to gain fan support.


when the disposable razors were first infected, no one purchased them, so the maker of them started to give them out for free. people go them in the mail, they got them with packets of gum and other items. then eventually the fan support spread and suddenly everyone wanted one. now the only thing we mostly use to shave are razors and they improve them each year , 4 blades, 5 blades, titanium coated blades and so on

the problem with gaming companies is there expecting to be instantly king of the world because they made their first game

after you gut BUSSAAAYY?

Jericho is that bad? ahhh, i wanted to play it too...if its not great meh...

Really? If I were going to buy a Bluray player I would have bought a PS3...

I still say it was around the time that the adult industry decided to go exclusively blu-ray as opposed to HD-dvd is when the tides had turned.

on the consumer side of it I'm sure the PS3 had to have had something to do with the proliferation of blu-ray

the better the graphics get the less action the games have.

as you can see most new games already push the latest hardware to their limits. and if you look at many new games, especially ones like crysis, you don't gets the hoards of 30-40 enemies you would see in a less intensive game

the newer games will lag or crash if they tried it

Hellboy, I can name you 10 PC windows MMOrpg's that I have played let alone the massive pile i have of PC single player games.

I think maybe you are too young if you think there hasn't been any windows pc games dude.

I realy don't know why you said that. there are 100's of pc only games for windows and I'm not about to name them all because it is silly.

Lol, I think what trexian was trying to say is that, only young kids don't really know how good pc games truly were...

they did not see the rise of: Command and Conquer circa 1998

Stacraft & brood wars circa 1998-1999ish

Age of Empires circa 1997

Stronghold circa 2001

Half Life circa 1998

- counter strike

Quake circa 1996

Unreal torunament circa 1999

Starseidge: Tribes circa 1998

and not to mention their own individual dynasties that came about from these classics...

gaming now a days has fallen so far from its glory days. but its till survives b/c of many [not all] of these games....

the only things that comes to mind in terms of consoles are mario and sonic...im sure some youngins, will be like, omg what about this and that..but truly u just don't know...

Most of the games I play would never be ported over to a console; read as strategy games. One game I play (X3: Reunion) was going to be released for the Xbox 360, but so many feature had to be dropped and size of the universe would need to be shrunk down that the project was canceled.

On top of that, X3 is considered a niche game for the PC so I doubt it would have done well on the Xbox.

Some FPS games I've played were never released for a console anyway like Far Cry, Stalker, Crysis, Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines for example.

I think your scolding is a bit less than effective. I doubt they can hear you through the insulation of billions of dollars they are raking in hand over fist.

Piracy isn't to blame, the main reason people buy less games these days is cause the market is full of poorly made games that will never see the support it needs, theres not one PC game made by EA that gets the support it needs, the only company that does support its games is Valve. (not talking about MMORPG's)
Most of the demos for PC are single player demos, once in awhile we get a multi player demo but some of those limit how high you can turn up the settings.

Theres lots of reason people don't buy that many PC games like they use to, game developers have cut back on how long they support a game and now their starting to force us to look at streaming ad's all over the maps plus put up with spyware built into the game that monitors how long you play and how long you look at the annoying billboards spread out all over the maps. (look at BF2142 and ET:Quakewars)

Another reason people like to download single player games is cause the games are too damn short to be worth $49.95, unlike console users we can't pay $5-10 dollars and rent the game for a week and beat it.

The main thing consoles have going for it is everyones hardware is the same, so its easier for developers to make games for it, plus you can go out and rent the game before you buy it.
The console isn't 100% piracy proof, theres mods out there that allow you to play burnt games, its not that hard to make dvd9 disks, they cost a bit more but thats about it.

You can't blame piracy for bad PC game sales, not like the person was going to buy the game anyways, i wonder how they get their numbers to blame it on piracy, do they ever stop and think their product blows or people have seen other games they released and failed to support.

What happened to 40-50 hours of game time? I remember when this was the standard pc game length. I also remember the complaint about FPS being 10-12 hours long now that is standard.

With all this cutting edge technology why haven't we gotten voice activated commands standard with games?

Why do some games not allow you to save anywhere?

Why are you expected to go through 3 patch iterations before a game is considered polished? I mean blizzard fixes bugs like a game crashing in April of 2048 or so, and other developers can't even get basic pathing right.

Perhaps all developers should start focusing on the blizzard philosophy of releasing a game "When it is ready" rather than by some street date of before the Christmas season. Blizzard releases in march and they outsell everyone.

what? Of course 17" monitors support 1920x1080, my laptop has a 17" screen and a native resolution of 1920x1200, even higher, and I bought that in 2006. Its now 2008 I'm sure you can buy 17" monitors at 1920x180 and above.

Still I recently got a 24" screen late last year running at 1920x1200 and games like COD4 look awesome on it.

I agree with every body about piracy having a impact on PC gaming, with developers having to waste time putting more effort into copy protection, which gets cracked anyway and makes it more of a pain for people who actually purchase a genuine copy.

People got lives .

Seriously, I've played far too many games that offered '40-50 hours of game time' but only 4-5 hours of that was actual fun. I'd much rather have a shorter game without the time-sinks inserted to make it seem longer.