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April 15, 2008 5:47:46 AM

"I think people have hit it dead on when they've said that this is because casual and middlecore gamers don't have systems that will run these games, and the hardcore gamers who do don't buy games.

Piracy of PC games is laughably easy. No mod chips needed, just download the game, copy a couple files, and you're there.

Very very hardcore PC gamers don't buy games anymore; I think we'll see games like Crysis getting made to push hardware sales rather than software sales (if that's not what Crysis was meant to do already; it's hard to ignore the fact that the game is intentionally sabotaged to not be fully functional on systems with DX9 cards or Windows XP)."

Its sad but its very true. Most of us hardcore PC gamers tend to uhh, you know. Its too bad and it makes me want to go out and buy a copy of crysis. How many sales, did that game have? Rob and Ben discussed this on a video here. Think of all the layoffs EA will have to make. This economy is really going downhill. Monopolies galore. I mean why purchase something when you can get it for free, and that is the mindset amongst alot of us. UT3 also have horrendous sales out there. What is the deal? I think in the future we PC gamers might even be lucky to getports from the consoles let alone PC exclusives. I would think piracee is hard on the PS3 cuz of bluray and HDDVD for 360. But it is rediculously easy on the PC. I think PC hardware needs to become cheaper to compete with consoles, even though it kinda is already cheaper.

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April 15, 2008 6:02:03 AM

Somebody bash crysis for me. tell me its a horrible game so that i wont feel bad for its pathethic sales.
April 15, 2008 10:13:20 AM

its yourfaultFUCKMYKEYOARD!!!!!
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April 15, 2008 11:10:17 AM

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Very very hardcore PC gamers don't buy games anymore

That sickens me to read comments like that. There is no excuse to pirate a game, and comments like this falsely give it a thumbs up. Stop making excuses that everyone else is doing it, so why shouldn't I do it. If I can't afford it or don't want it enough to buy it.... I simply don't play it, or play the demo if available. Pirating a game is never an option I'd even consider.
April 15, 2008 11:13:14 AM

*humps spuddyt's keyboard*

I bought my copy of Crysis (at a 40% discount price).

Moreover, I enjoyed playing it and I do not agree with many people out there that it has pathetic gameplay. It simply requires some inventivity and choices on the account of the player to get the most out of the gameplay, but there is a lot freedom for those who care to look for it.

I played it on a minimum spec machine and DX9, and I'm looking forward to playing it again on a new rig some time this year.

I hope that makes you feel really bad about those pathetic sales of the game, DarthPiggie. So how did you like the game?
April 15, 2008 11:46:33 AM

pauldh said:
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Very very hardcore PC gamers don't buy games anymore

That sickens me to read comments like that. There is no excuse to pirate a game, and comments like this falsely give it a thumbs up. Stop making excuses that everyone else is doing it, so why shouldn't I do it. If I can't afford it or don't want it enough to buy it.... I simply don't play it, or play the demo if available. Pirating a game is never an option I'd even consider.


Hey i was only quoting, but still this person brings up a good point. Maybe individually, you feel like this, but amass the generalization might hold true. There is no way to measure hardcoreness but we can sort of sense this. Cryisis is awesome. I think people exaggerated when they gave Crysis FPS. Im getting around 30 frames running everything on Very High mode under XP, using a Single 8800GT at 701/1750/1030 and an e6750 running at 3Ghz (could go higher, bt Crysis is unstable). Rez: 1280x1024. The game's graphics are ridiculous though, that is for sure. Difference between High and Very HIgh are remarkable.
April 15, 2008 4:10:30 PM

I don't pirate games ever; I'll simply play a demo or will stay away from the title all together if I don't want to buy it. Also, the Xbox360 doesn't use HD-DVD for game discs, they use regular DVD9s. If you're going to pirate games on the Xbox360, you simply are not able to use Live with that console which turns people away. On the PS3, developers often bloat their games to take advantage of the Blu-ray disc, and that makes pirating a lot harder as well. For example, Uncharted uses up an entire single layer Blu-ray disc, which is about 25GB.
April 15, 2008 4:10:31 PM

The games have been crap lately, got some great stuff, like bioshock, portal, w/e but they don't last.. replayability.. i'm still waiting for Crysis mods, I totally dislike UT3 (extremely boring without the cool modes that had to be modded in).

C&C3 is fun, just got kane's wrath, but there's nothing really new.

Just waiting for DN Forever and SC2, some crysis mods (mechwarrior), even those won't break any molds.
April 15, 2008 4:34:17 PM

mods is a pro for PC gaming for sure. maybe one day consoles will see mods.
April 15, 2008 6:59:12 PM

DarthPiggie said:
Hey i was only quoting, but still this person brings up a good point.
LOL, I sure missed that. Who were you quoting? Did I miss a link or was this meant to be a reply rather than a new thread?
April 15, 2008 10:49:35 PM

DarthPiggie said:
mods is a pro for PC gaming for sure. maybe one day consoles will see mods.


I wouldn't bother gaming on PC if it weren't for mods.
April 15, 2008 11:41:39 PM

DarthPiggie bring's a point. It's not what one should be doing...but rather the facts about PC piracy.

But lets try and avoid the topic on PC games Piracy again...its getting annoying. I preordered my copy I think close to 4 months before it came out. I'm such a fanboy! lol

Crysis was an excellent game if you could run the game at the highest settings. Yes, some games may be better (so lets not compare it to similar titles again) but overall, I think people got frustrated from shoppy FPS and poor performance on their systems. IMO, the game is one of the best FPS of 2007 but did lack of a descent ending. Still, a great product.

I haven't played the SP campaing in months now but Crytek is putting a lot of emphasis on Modding and is helping out the modding community big time. You should see great mods coming out in the summer of 2008.
April 16, 2008 2:04:53 AM

Crysis is one of the only games I have actually FINISHED. Which to me at least, means it is a quality title. BTW I bought it for the full 50 bucks.
April 16, 2008 2:15:53 AM

I bought it and enjoyed it very much.
April 16, 2008 2:37:28 AM

Crysis is dirt cheap now, only like 35 $. Maybe theyre trying to compensate. Yea there will be some great mods for Crysis, including a curious Zelda mod, strange.
April 16, 2008 2:38:25 AM

Anyone here played crysis with Very HIgh settings???with decent frames, like at least 20?? and not at like 640x400 or something, at least 1024x768?
April 16, 2008 3:29:02 AM

I play it on very high @ 1680 x 1050.
April 16, 2008 3:33:12 AM

nice, nice to know, cuz i can play it on very high at 1280x1024, nice to know im not alone, though we certaintly are rare.
April 16, 2008 5:19:00 PM

DarthPiggie said:
nice, nice to know, cuz i can play it on very high at 1280x1024, nice to know im not alone, though we certaintly are rare.


I play at the same Res as you, 1280x1024, all on very high. Especially now since CATA 8.3 improved Vista DX10 Crysis performance for all ATI cards by 20%. But when I do all very high there are some areas that tend to get a bit low in the FPS so I keep a few down on high like shadows and water on medium/high.

Its an ok game. After CATA 8.3 came out I had to retry it with higher settings and played up until the tank level. But then I got re-sucked into my TF2 world. Then jumped over the C&C3 Kanes Wrath for a day. BTW I bought all the games. Paid full price for all of them too. I believe in supporting a good thing. If I ever downloaded a game or music, if I like it I will buy the game for the box and the disk. If I don't like it it usually goes bye bye.
April 16, 2008 6:18:50 PM

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For example, Uncharted uses up an entire single layer Blu-ray disc, which is about 25GB.


Crysis is only about 5 gigs total isn't it?
April 16, 2008 7:47:35 PM

Crysis actually has had pretty good sales, EA announced a few months ago its sold over a million copies (probably higher by now). It started off really bad but has since made up some ground. I pirated first and then after knowing that I liked it, I bought it, just I did with The Witcher. I just want to make sure I'm getting a good game.
April 16, 2008 8:18:33 PM

DarthPiggie said:
mods is a pro for PC gaming for sure. maybe one day consoles will see mods.


once player made mods are readily installable and mouse and keyboard viable on a console, is the day I pack up pc gaming for good. At that point though, what would the console be, but a PC just with a specific hardware standard, kind of like a mac.
April 17, 2008 2:55:29 AM

eh, not me. I'm too addicted to upgrading, benchmarking, etc. The harware side is too fun to ever ditch PC gaming.
April 17, 2008 3:38:49 AM

pauldh said:
eh, not me. I'm too addicted to upgrading, benchmarking, etc. The harware side is too fun to ever ditch PC gaming.


yea, now thats what i call geek porn
April 17, 2008 4:51:12 AM

i agree that pirating is hurting the industry, but we cant tell someone else not to do it.

I buy all my games because i have a some sort of a BOX collection going on. Pretty impressive to my standards actually.

but to DarthPiggie
I play on 1920x1200 on high with a very-high config file and get around 30fps pretty consistently.
April 17, 2008 12:27:33 PM

raptorxt said:
but to DarthPiggie
I play on 1920x1200 on high with a very-high config file and get around 30fps pretty consistently.


Thanks, cuz it seems people are skeptical if you can handle crysis with a medium rig with a single card.
April 17, 2008 12:45:00 PM

^ He isn't playing Crysis at 19x12 very high with 30 fps on a single gpu. You would be at medium details with a single GPU card and 19x12. Have a look at the 9800GTX at 19x12 all medium and 29 fps average - http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ4MSw0LCxoZW5... .

Minimum is a 9800GX2 or SLI setup for that and still not anywhere near 30 fps late in the game. Those are Tri SLI or Quad SLI settings now in Crysis. Many sites don't even bother running 19x12 very high for 9800GX2 Quad SLI testing.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ3OCwzLCxoZW5...
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ4MCwz...
April 17, 2008 1:53:14 PM

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but to DarthPiggie
I play on 1920x1200 on high with a very-high config file and get around 30fps pretty consistently.




LOLLZZ PEEPLZ I PLAY CRYSIZ VEERY HIGH @ 1928X1090 WID ONLY A

P3 450 MHZ

ATI RAGE PRO 32MB

AND A WHOPPING 256 MEGS O RAM!

AN GET 90 FPS!!!

AN ALL DE OTHER PPLZ LAUGHF AT ME ON DE UDDER FORUMS!!! Y U ALL LAUGH??
April 17, 2008 4:25:59 PM

Seriously, my single NX8800GTX gets and average of 32FPS+ in Windows XP-MCE at Very High(XP Tweak). Oh, that's at 1650*1050. I've OC'ed my card slightly but not by that much.

The problem is that the Crysis benchmark tool (the one where you go around the first stage) is misleading. For instance, as soon as I hit the first cutscenes in the game, I drop to 22FPS. I also get and average of 24FPS in the anti-gravity level. The GPU-Benchmark tool is simply misleading.

At first, I figured it was because I OC'ed my card but same applies when I put it back at stock. In fact, it's even worse.

But yeah, it is possible to get a steady 30FPS+ with a single card...but only in the GPU benchmark...not in the game...and especially not in the first cut scenes.

April 17, 2008 8:00:33 PM

Alex The PC Gamer said:
Seriously, my single NX8800GTX gets and average of 32FPS+ in Windows XP-MCE at Very High(XP Tweak). Oh, that's at 1650*1050. I've OC'ed my card slightly but not by that much.

The problem is that the Crysis benchmark tool (the one where you go around the first stage) is misleading. For instance, as soon as I hit the first cutscenes in the game, I drop to 22FPS. I also get and average of 24FPS in the anti-gravity level. The GPU-Benchmark tool is simply misleading.

At first, I figured it was because I OC'ed my card but same applies when I put it back at stock. In fact, it's even worse.

But yeah, it is possible to get a steady 30FPS+ with a single card...but only in the GPU benchmark...not in the game...and especially not in the first cut scenes.


Yeah, 16x10 and no fsaa in XP I can see that. And the cutscenes are the first signs in the demo even of what's to come. But Core and Paradise Lost just hammer single cards. Alot of people comment on the demo mission, without knowign just how their system will struggle in the second half of the game.
April 17, 2008 8:18:27 PM

pauldh said:
Yeah, 16x10 and no fsaa in XP I can see that. And the cutscenes are the first signs in the demo even of what's to come. But Core and Paradise Lost just hammer single cards. Alot of people comment on the demo mission, without knowign just how their system will struggle in the second half of the game.


I'll second that.
April 17, 2008 9:30:18 PM

I paid $60 for The Special Edition of Crysis and I bought UT3 (Normal Edition) :p 

I used to pirate a lot of games, but I know that if I want to see more PC games I should buy them, and vote with my wallet. So I've been buying all my games recently. :) 

Crysis is a really fun game, you just have to know how to have fun. Running along a linear path and fighting the same way would be boring, you have to try new things.
April 17, 2008 9:34:31 PM

raptorxt said:

I buy all my games because i have a some sort of a BOX collection going on. Pretty impressive to my standards actually.


LOL, I had a conversation with my g/f a few nights ago. She was baffled by me keeping the boxes.

'But they're MY boxes' said I.

I just don't think she understood.
April 17, 2008 9:39:38 PM

ANYWAY. On topic.
I have a single card, and at 1280 x 1024 I had a smooth experience throughout. I think I turned shadows and physics down a notch but thats all.
A couple of points were a little choppy, but never bad enough for me to lower the resolution, or affect gameplay.
I tried 1600x1200 but the machine couldn't handle it.
I see it as 50bucks well spent, I played to the end, and there aren't many games I do that with.
April 18, 2008 3:51:20 AM

specifically to PAULDH:

i get about 30fps average in crysis at 1920x1200 with all on high with a very high config file
and seriously i dont see much difference from high and very high except the sunbeams

this is a gpu benchmark score, and it completely reflects real game fps. sometimes you are staring at a good portion of the map and get 15-19fps but other times you are staring at a much smaller portion and getting 38-40fps

i have been trying to tell people that the gtx review and most of the other reviews are freaking ****

i have an evga 9800gtx and those are the scores i am getting. of course i do not have any aa turned on but i do have 16x fsaa on and high quality in the nvidia control panel turned on.

to ALEX THE PC GAMER:
the gpu benchmark drops so low in the beginning because you are finally hitting textures instead of blank items. it is loading all those textures at once and taxes the system.
April 18, 2008 5:22:10 AM

Believe me, I have 50+ hours into benchmarking Crysis alone, on various cards and in SLI. I know the real world gaming is nothing like the built in GPU benchmark. It's a good tool but doesn't reflect gameplay directly as in determining playable settings. 30 fps in the GPU bench would be unplayable throughout much of the game. On a single card, late in the game, you would often be in the low teens at 19x12 high. Go to paradise lost level and see what fps you get in while escorting prophet through the frozen world.

Now I believe you can play crysis at 19x12 on high/very high in Win XP, but no way would it be near 30 fps throughout huge portions of the game. Core, paradise Lost, reckoning, and assault would be some levels I'd expect fps to approach single digits even. Probably lower actually.

Have a look at [H]'s real world gaming in crysis.
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ4MSw0LCxoZW5...

With a 9800GTX and at 19x12 res, they managed an average of 29 fps with a low of 13 fps while actually playing the game. But they were at all medium details with noaa/no af. There is a huge difference between med and high even. How can you play at 19x12 16xAF at very high settings and report fps >= they do at all medium details?

And just so you don't think it's just [H]. driver heaven tests also in real world gaming. They played very high details and 16x AF like you stated, but they played at a puny 13x7 resolution and averaged 25 fps. 19x12 is way over twice the pixels. http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=544&pa...
April 18, 2008 2:23:31 PM

I believe we will start to see more and more games released through services like steam to combat piracy.
April 20, 2008 12:19:27 AM

Alex The PC Gamer said:
IMO, the game is one of the best FPS of 2007 but did lack of a descent ending.


That ending was supposed to tell you that there's another game coming up, so keep your hopes up for 2+3.
April 20, 2008 3:15:49 AM

PAUL DH
i couldnt give a **** what a website says they get while they are benchmarking.

all i know is that i get around 30fps through most parts of the game, but you are right about one thing:
while playing through CORE again to make sure i was right, i found that i got around 25-26fps average. MORE than enough to play the game.
only in one part did i hit the low teens, all others were low 20's and high 20's. Some parts i even got in the high 30's.

i am being freaking serious when i tell you that i am getting 25-30 average through most parts of the game at 1920x1200 high settings with 16aa and high quality

i am not trying to make my card seem unbelievable badass. i am just telling you what i get on AVERAGE.
April 20, 2008 4:11:21 AM

smbergie200 said:
I believe we will start to see more and more games released through services like steam to combat piracy.


Oh please don't start that again!
April 20, 2008 4:22:00 AM

I did the hacked very high settings with windows xp and theres no problems(40fps average) with 2x AA at 1680*1050 but thats cuz i hav a e8400+9800gx2+4gigs ram. The only times a lag is when i do something intense like blow up a tank or something although i can't see a major difference between high and hacked very high.
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