Cloning

stem cell research is where it's at. we should be able to clone tissue and cells needed for a lot of treatments without having to clone people. also gene thearapy is good way forward

Although it has a lot of good ideas, beer doesn't know anything about computers!!!

I have no moral objection to making a full clone of myself merely to harvest its organs, it exists only because of me, and if properly cloned can have its brain removed or severaly impared to avoid the moral dilemma of it gaining conciousness.


We raise cattle to eat, we should be able to clone ourselves for organs, period.

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not a vegan then.

Although it has a lot of good ideas, beer doesn't know anything about computers!!!

good point. hey, mats are you tall, willowy, pale skinned and have no blood. this will help me narrow it down.

Although it has a lot of good ideas, beer doesn't know anything about computers!!!

You got a point there, but what about the Atom-Bomb? Was that a good invention? Sorry, man is an opportunist. If anything is to the advantage of good, it always seems to turn to greed and misuse.

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And if God didn't want us to hate Him, he wouldn't have given us a free will.

That's not a very solid argument, IMO.

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Ok let's leave god out of this one since we already know what your going to say.

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Man, why are you so paranoid to start reading my mind before I speak? I don't drag the name of God around just for the sake of debate. However, I will state my opinion freely, just as you do.

May I ask, which are you sir, judge, defense attorney, prosecutor, district attorney, or juror? Or, do you really think you can read a person's character to prejudge their opinion concerning matters close to the heart of God, based on what is morally right or wrong?

If that is the case, congradulations! You do have a conscience.

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If we know what everyone is going to say, why do we even need a forum?



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Yup, I see your point. He's a better argument. How do you define life? When does something become alive? Is a single stem cell alive? For that matter is a single individual cell in the body alive alone? If so, does that mean you are killing living beings everytime you get a scratch? Wouldn't that suggest that getting a cut or scratch is immoral? If a single cell alone in the human body isn't life on it's own, at what point do you have life? A single cell? A dozen cells? A hundred? A thousand? An entire organ?

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Thought makes you alive I think.

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I think Bush and his boyz made a grave error to ban all forms of human cloning .. it is in effect (pardon the pun) "throwing out the baby with the bath water" there aren't any scientists of any worth or repute that favor the cloning of replica people however medical cloning would allow perfect matches for transplants and eliminate the tragic waiting lists. Think of kids with luekemia and the mom with breast cancer( no pike we will NOT clone extra tits for your nuzzling pleasure) and so on when you consider this law

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That is exactly the same decision that President Bush had to make when the plug was pulled on the recent stem cell research of human embyros after it was called to a stopped. Really tough call IMO, but I supported his decision to use the remaining for this type research opposed to simply trashing them.

However, the normal ongoing I.V.F. spare embryos seems to be a Pandora's box, that I haven't heard anyone address yet. Well, IMO I would have to say, it would definitly have to be case-by-case in regard to a life/death. For the sake of research this would need close scrutiny and regulation with specific guidlines for approved medical case studies.

You raise a very difficult question. Anyone with a concsience regarding the sanctity life will truly wrestle in heart and mind over this real life grey area. Honestly, I really cannot say right out what I would do, but it would definitely be a matter of prayer for me personally.

<font color=purple><b>An average human brain weights aprox. 3lbs., but a thought weights a load.</font color=purple></b>

it sure better be or it won't carry oxygen to your brain

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My opinion on embryos is that if they are spare, and they are going to be thrown out anyway, then why not use them, to discard them would be a waste, It seems that people cant mount a solid rational defense against this, So they roll out the God argument, which as Ive said is a crock

sigh .... virri ( more than one virus) are not plants.. they are naked strings of RNA , are animals and rarely if ever think ..

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Animals think just like we do.

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Your making yourself look stupid here. If i have to explain to you that animals think and have some intelligence then you got a problem.

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Some insects are intelligent too. No need to get into specifics, all I'm saying is animals can think and have some intelligence on some level. Ofcourse ya know depending on the creature in question.

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Yea ok, not that I would even consider those animals...

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There is more to the definition of an animal than that.

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1. A multicellular organism of the kingdom Animalia, differing from plants in certain typical characteristics such as capacity for locomotion, nonphotosynthetic metabolism, pronounced response to stimuli, restricted growth, and fixed bodily structure.

Not that i really care if a virus or germ could be considered an animal, in my mind they don't register as that. More of a parasite or something. Are they even in the animal kingdom?


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If they fall under that definition then they have some form of intelligence, even instinct is thinking somewhat. Anyway animals (which is refering to mammals in most context's) are intelligent if you don't think so then whatever.

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When an asteroid is coming for earth, and those atom bombs save us, you will sing a different tune.


Atomic bombs have never been misused in their existance, hiroshima and nagasaki arguably saved more lives then they took, tools are neutral, only man can use them for good or evil.



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