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Confessions of a WoW Addict.

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June 30, 2008 7:35:24 PM

I thought this would be interesting to some of you out there, who are playing WOW, (World of Warcraft). This is my story, learn from it.



I played for 9 months of pure addicted bliss.

I got Arthritis of the wrist and pointer finger, and possibly right elbow.

Sleeping approximately 4 hours a night, sometimes not at all.

Gaining many virtual friends, losing real ones, several.

Eating took on a new and habitual routine of sandwich in one hand, mouse in the other. Oh, and a glass of milk.

I had to replace my computer chair twice, because the cushioning flattened out to the point my ass became numb with 2 hours of gaming.

TV became non-existent.

Showering involved 7 minutes of thinking about what I was going to do once I got back to the game world, where my Warrior showered only when chasing Murlocks into the lake!!

Work became nothing more than a space and time that I had to pass through, to get home , and log in to my real Virtual life.

Breaks were taken for 3 things> Sex, Sleep, Work. After each of these I would return back to WOW.

I was so addicted that I even convinced my girlfriend to play, and upon our break up she still plays to this day. That was 2 years ago.

If the internet went down for any reason, at all, my entire next three hours would be spent trying to reset the cable modem, calling the cable company, and checking to make sure, I paid my bill. When they told me there was an outtage in my area, I would speak curses upon them that Satan himself would deem inappropriate.

Family time durning any holiday event was commenced with an awkward feeling of missing something that you want so badly and the desire to get back to it by any means necessary, even if that meant lying to your girlfriends parents and telling them you don't feel well just to get back to your gaming on Christmas Day.

My cellphone bill eventually dropped to a lower priority than my WOW payment per month.

Shaving, and styling my hair now had no importance when it was time to go anywhere. People started calling me "Mountain Man".

Brushing my teeth would've taken a back seat as well if it were not for the fact that my own breath was casuing me to become ill on several occasions during a weekend marathon of instance running.

I used to drive home from work, ( I lived 10 minutes away) just to log into my account to check the status of the items I put up for sale.

I finally realized I had gone too far when I was buying game gold in the amount of 50.00 to 100.00 dollars, for rare items and buying a better mount. I believe I coulve actually have purchased the game brandnew again a total of 8-10 times with extra money spent on monthly fee's and extra gold.

Running a guild with 100 members, and I remember a feeling of power.
Then it became so tedious, and drama filled that it was like a second job, or even a third.


In Closing just let me say, that no one I have known who has played this game, has ever been affected by it only short term, and I can now say that the game has not been installed on my system for more than 1 yr and 9 months.

But the mint condition box, with all its CD's, still sits on my Gaming Shelf, taunting me, beckoning me to install it, just to see, just to ride the Gryphons again, just to sneak through the dark forests, and have the life of an adventurer. Just that little temptation is what I leave in my presence everyday. Staring at me from the Gaming Shelf, the only thing keeping me from opening it is that now I have my life back.

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June 30, 2008 7:45:55 PM

That kinda sucks considering WoW isn't even that great of a game :/ 
June 30, 2008 7:54:42 PM

^ yeah lol now back to age of Conan...
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June 30, 2008 7:58:04 PM

Maybe if it was World of Big-Boob-Asian-Trampoline-Testing-FacilityCraft I could understand...

"Merry Christmas everyone!"
"Sorry, I-- I'm just not feeling well. I better go upstairs and relax in my computer chair..."
June 30, 2008 9:05:14 PM

Oh Snap and Spuddyt,

Ah yes accept for the fact the AOC hadn't even been created yet. And WOW was and still is a great game hence the 9 million still playing it. I however got in too deep, SO DEEP I ALMOST DIDNT MAKE IT BACK!!...okay maybe that was over the top.

But anyways, I am definitely not the worst "GAMING ADDICT" out there. I know a CEO of a company who is 34, and does nothing but WOW in any spare moment he has, and even logs in and plays while at the office.

Thats addicted.

So yes, now I play many other gaming titles, but still none of them almost 2 yrs later has captured my attention, like WOW did.

Sorry to say it.

June 30, 2008 9:12:13 PM

dragoncyber said:
I know a CEO of a company who is 34, and does nothing but WOW in any spare moment he has, and even logs in and plays while at the office.

Except he's 34 and a CEO so he can do whatever the **** he wants in his spare time and he's still ahead of everyone else by a few decades. He wins at life.
June 30, 2008 9:13:41 PM

I've played a bit of WoW over the past 2 1/2 years without being addicted. My theory is that I'm too lazy to develop any compulsive behaviors. But I've known many addicts. One in particular I would say I feel bad for except that I always pick on/laugh at him. The funniest thing is that when I first met him at work he didn't play and would also bust on WoW players and the game about how stupid it all was. I offered him $10 to play one night on a trial account and I might as well have been pushing tar heroin on him. I knew he'd hit rock bottom when we were playing one night but he wasn't on Ventrilo. When I asked him why not he explained that he had family visiting from out of the country and he had to spend some time with them the one night they were in town. I asked him why he was playing then and he said it was ok because he was out in the living room with his family while playing. That would have made sense except for that I knew he didn't own a laptop. Once I finally got the whole story out of him it turned out that he had gotten a utility cart for a computer desk and with a long extension cord and surge protector could wheel his computer around his house so that he wouldn't have to stop playing even to take a dump.
June 30, 2008 9:28:34 PM

ewww....
glad i made myself a rule when i decided to get an mmorpg:
"I will not disrupt my social life to play this game any more than I would have done a normal game in the past" (which still entails a lot of hours in total but still lets me sleep, eat and socialise reasonably normally)
June 30, 2008 11:56:14 PM

All I have to say is...the more you go out...and expand your social life, the less you feel like having a virtual life. I know this because I was stuck out of town a few years ago and all I had was my PC and no one around to spend some time with (I was in an almost cottage-like place where neighboors were a mile away so didn't provide the occasional bump to each other).

Needless to say that computer games became my life that summer. When the fall came...reality came. At first, I had a routine where computer games took a good chunk of the day...but then it all went away. Why?

Chicks, booze, friends, entertainment and life challenges are WAY better than pwning an 8 year old kid on BF2. It seems like an obvious answer...and it is...but for some reason, when you're trapped in that virtual life...you tend to forget about the real goods.

If you can honestly say that after a night out drinking with your bestfriends, get back home and banging a hot chick isn't enough to give you a good break from videogames, then you have a problem that is IMO beyond recoverable. Have you ever tried playing videogames while being intoxicated? You'll realize that videogames are F***king stupid.

Don't get me wrong, I love to play, but there are much better things out there than making virtual friends. It's inhuman...and besides, you won't have kids and a successful life by having the highest score on the charts...remember that.
July 1, 2008 12:08:58 AM

In my opinion it's not the game's fault that people get addicted to that level. Sure, it's an amazing game, but how is it so many can just log out at a reasonable hour (say... 1am), get a decent nights rest, and still be a functional member of society?

Some people get addicted to games easier than others, especially if it's as deep in storyline, lore, and community as WoW is.

Easiest way to battle an addiction is with a counter-addiction. My personal favourite solution is any Namco Bandai, Square Enix, or Mistwalker RPG. I've been getting addicted to Final Fantasy, Star Ocean, and Tales for years, game after game, so much so that I don't get fully addicted to any games anymore. If I have free time with nothing better to do, I play. If my raiding guild schedules their first run into SSC on a night when I'm meeting a friend to have a few drinks I ask if we can put it off by a night. Most of the friends I have outside of the internet don't quite understand all the reasons behind why I'd do that but they're cool with it. That said, I only reschedule if it's something really big. Running an instance we have on farm would be something I'd opt out of to go out with friends, for example.

That's my motto - Don't cancel, reschedule!

I will be taking 2 weeks off work after WotLK comes out though ;) 
Will also be taking a day or 2 off for Starcraft 2... and Diablo III... and those 4 games Square Enix are bringing out... and Fable 2...
July 1, 2008 8:32:33 AM

If peps are happy gaming and want to spend their whole friggen life playing then go ahead. Thats enjoying your life the way its meant to be played. Nagging GF is useless. Playing games thats the way to go, I spend well over 18 hours a day playing bf. Being semi retired allows me too. The rest of the world can puck off if they don't like what gamers like or dislike. I sleep wiff my mouse so I can quickly wake up and check the game. Saying that about myself I say if you think you got a problem then you do. What else is there to do, go boating and have the cops pull ya over 6 or 7 times a day, go to a dance and get killed or kill someone, go for a bike ride and it starts raining, visit your family that argue all the time, find a GF that nags and stinks like fish, have kids that suck you dry, fck the world your better off playing games and when not playing go the race track and drive drive drive. Keep up the good gaming and enjoy.The rich are afraid to loose what they have the poor worried whats for supper the middle class just pays for the poor and keep the rich worrying more. Bill Gates and peps like him have no friends its all got to do wiff money. So dudez enjoy what little you may have life goes by waiting for the next game to be played.
July 1, 2008 9:37:40 AM

gomerpile said:
What else is there to do, go boating and have the cops pull ya over 6 or 7 times a day, go to a dance and get killed or kill someone, go for a bike ride and it starts raining, visit your family that argue all the time, find a GF that nags and stinks like fish, have kids that suck you dry, fck the world your better off playing games and when not playing go the race track and drive drive drive. Keep up the good gaming and enjoy.The rich are afraid to loose what they have the poor worried whats for supper the middle class just pays for the poor and keep the rich worrying more. Bill Gates and peps like him have no friends its all got to do wiff money. So dudez enjoy what little you may have life goes by waiting for the next game to be played.


Life isn't like that! Believe it or not, not everything you choose to do away from the computer has adverse effects!
July 1, 2008 9:47:50 AM

i was addicted to Wow, and consequently also got addicted to coffee at the same time, i was logging in at 10am eating infront of my machine, sometimes only making toast so i didnt have to spend to much time away from it, i would then log off at about 4am, i made lots of friends on there and was part of a guild, but after around 10 month i started to just get bored.... luckily for me i didnt loose any friends due to the fact that we are flatmates anyway and that helped me get over it.

to this day every time i look at the WoW game sitting in my draw i want to install it on my PC.

Now however, i work full time, go to JJB Gym every other day, and go Climbing every couple of weeks, i limit myself to an hour or two a night on my PC, then proceed to watch films and join my flatmates in the living Room, we go out atleast a few times a month since we live in Newcastle.

Life is good, i dont want to play another MMORPG for a long time, i keep the box as a reminder of that.

the most time i spend on a pc is here at work as an ict tech, i actually dont feel like going on a PC after being at work, which is always a plus i suppose.
July 1, 2008 4:40:38 PM

I was out in the boat last week, I got pulled over, I went 200 feet and was pulled over again. I said I was just pulled over like 2 Min's ago, they checked again. So I figured I'd go in the direction the cops were going and coming from behind, 20 Min's later another cop, I said fck you guys are friggen everywere. So I said fck this, cant even have fun here in the middle of nowhere. So I got to the docks and the bitches ramsacked me again at the docks, what a fcking day. So I said I'm going to the cop station and going to piss on the steps so I did and was chased 2 blocks and brought down and fined for pissing in a public place. So later that night I went to the bar to drink it up a little and a fight broke out fck man wtf is going on nowadays. Just play fcking games all day
July 1, 2008 5:31:57 PM

Gomerpile,

I'm sorry to inform you of this, but you are officially the most unlucky boater in the history of the boat, which goes back thousands of years if my history serves me correctly.

On a second note, pissing on the steps of a police station, you have now deemed any advice you might give about life completely ridiculous, and being chased 2 blocks for urinating in public is itself proof that you need to stop living in the game world.

I do not believe for a second that the cops just kept pulling over your boat randomly every 10-20 minutes. I think you were most likely driving like an idiot, and attracted that attention to yourself.

Here's a piece of advice from a 28 year punk kid, who hasn't yet retired. Try doing something in your retirement more meaningful than drinking, starting bar fights, and driving your boat like a mad man. Oh and try not piss on any police stations steps, or anywhere else besides a toilet or urinal for that matter. Oh, and stay away from violent games, because they aren't good for crazy people to play.
July 1, 2008 5:36:02 PM

Addiction is such a bad term and shouldn't be applied except in the case of physical addictions. You get addicted to crack. WoW is just more fun than your life is, so you'd rather spend your time doing that. Logic tells you it isn't as important as the real world, so what you want to do conflicts with what you know you should do.

It is pleasure seeking and nothing more. Just like gambling. Just like being an athlete. Just like being a company exec. Just like being a thrill-seeker.
July 1, 2008 6:27:27 PM

actually dragon here in kingston its a place opp travel the waters often inbetween wolfisland, kingston heading towards the seaway to the state. Its not uncommon to be pulled over more than once here more so now.
July 1, 2008 6:28:26 PM

*shrug* Maybe it isn't then. I've just not heard of anyone suffering the types of physical withdrawal symptoms associated with a chemical addiction taking place in a video game addict.

I'm of the opinion that a behavior and a physical substance are two different things. I've grown up around addiction. It seems to run in my gene pool. I've certainly got problems knowing when to quit when it comes to video games or chemicals. I'm sure the two are linked, but the term gets so abused in these situations.

I have a problem in these discussions because the addicted person always seems to be somehow making the wrong choice by choosing a behavior that is not damaging to them, but simply less socially accepted. I'd rather pay to play a game than pay to keep my cellphone active, I must have a problem. I get pissed off when a service I pay for does not function, I must have a problem. I've stopped watching TV, I must have a problem. I've given up old friends for new ones, I must have a problem.

You see the exact same behaviors from socially acceptable situations, but somehow it's an addiction since it is a game and not some truly meaningful interaction like school or work etc.
July 1, 2008 6:38:36 PM

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uhhuh, prove that drug addiction is physical, i know there is evidence proving otherwise so i would like to see proof that it is.

That's a stupid statement. First off I thought this was supposed to be a fun thread about over playing video games. But Stranger, do you understand that there's more than 1 type of drug? Sure some, even many, do not pose a threat of physical addiction but many others do. When the body is fed a foreign chemical there is always a chance that it will become dependant on it. In some cases sudden withdrawal after long term or even just moderate length use can be more damaging than the drug itself. To sit there and make a blanket statement that you know 'drugs' are not physically addictive is just asinine.
July 1, 2008 7:28:08 PM

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some people suggest that it is when you are lacking an environment where things that you enjoy are lacking or unavailable so you would rather escape your situation with drugs or the other addiction but i am no expert, just know that the drugs are not the reason for the addiction, they are what you are addicted to but are not the cause of the addiction.


I don't know that I'd completely agree with that. You can take the person with the most fulfilling life in the world and force a hit of crack on them. The odds are pretty decent that they'll be jonesing for the rock when they come down.

I agree with it when it comes to video games, gambling, going to the pub etc. Hell that is where my problem arises. I get bored or have a stressful day, so I hop online and slay some monsters or I go fishing. I also wouldn't consider these addictions. I'd consider them behaviors or possibly bad habits.

These debates/conversations just bother me on two levels. One being that I'm a gamer. I don't consider the social realm of an MMO or the internet to be different than talking on my cell to a local friend. If I moved jobs and started hanging out with people from there more than people from my current job it'd be considered normal. Somehow in a game it's a detriment to my health.

The second is that I've seen people suffering from legitimate addictions. To me it cheapens the term to apply it to this sort of thing. I don't disagree that it is detrimental to the person, but I also don't think it is even in the same ball park.
July 1, 2008 7:29:36 PM

How can computer games be addictive, its fun entertaining, enjoyment,when theres nothing to do. Its the ones that can't do a friggen thing because they are lazy and always were lazy so blaming on a addiction is the answer to the laziness. Playing games to them is making them feel like they have done something, until the next bill has to be paid. Rest assure the laziness will go if the Internet bill has to be paid.
July 1, 2008 9:44:31 PM

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uhhuh, prove that drug addiction is physical, i know there is evidence proving otherwise so i would like to see proof that it is.

You do realize that in severe cases, alcoholics' withdrawal symptoms can be fatal, right? That means they are so addicted to alcohol that without it, they die. Was this a troll post and I'm just too tired to pick up on it? Anyone who thinks drugs aren't physically addictive needs their head examined. You're altering your brain with chemicals.

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lots of people can take drugs for medicinal purposes but then stop using them when they have no need, others don't.

Actually this is how a lot of people get hooked on opiates. Chronic back pain or back surgery can often lead to taking painkillers for extended periods of time, and your body builds up a tolerance rather quickly, and when it's "Well, I could stop taking my pain meds today and be in agonizing pain, or I could take an extra pill to feel better" it's kind of a no-brainer for most people.
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July 1, 2008 9:55:34 PM

i dont understand how you people cant just be normal. take care of your real life **** and play your games for fun. if people enjoy playing a game in their freetime instead of kicking it with their bros and getting drunk who cares, its not your life, **** socializing when 99% of the people you meet dont have anything good to say anyways.
July 1, 2008 9:59:21 PM

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that would have to be through heavy misuse, and again, you may be addicted to something but that is not why, you are addicted. there has to be a reason why they would keep taking the drug rather than doing other things. it is not a physical illness, the types of effect you are talking about does not happen overnight, there are reasons people take up drinking or drug use and it is not about a dependency.

you are describing the side effects of the drug addiction but that is not anything to do with addiction in general.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction

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people who get addicted are in the minority though, there is no case for that argument, indeed it proves that even taking the same substance not everyone gets addicted, there has to be a reason for that other than the substance themselves.

There are substances that can become addictive, and depending on who it is the likelihood of addiction may be lower or higher. There can be genetic predispositions to becoming addicted, as is the case with alcoholics. I really just don't know where you're going with this argument, or if you even know what you're talking about. To say that drugs aren't physically addictive is ignorant.
July 2, 2008 12:15:02 AM

There is nothing particularly addictive about WoW... it's just tapping into people's pre-disposition to be addicted to stupid crap. If you're having problems quitting, do what I did... buy a Seadoo... learn to wakeboard... buy a guitar... learn to play... something... anything but farming "gold" Ugh... won't ever go back down that road again.
July 2, 2008 6:45:58 AM

actually theres alot to be addicted to in WoW...

in WoW you constantly get gratification for completing quests.
you feel good there, its a safe place with nice people
it removes you from the thoughts of reality
easily loose track of time when you playing


sounds alot like other drugs for example Alchohol.
July 2, 2008 12:38:52 PM

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oh Snap, i am well aware that drugs can have a physcial effect on people, however, that does not justify why people become addicted to them, why they crave them.

I am saying that there are reasons people want that effect. they have to be lacking something in their lives which makes them seek these drugs as a substitute.

look at flakes post and you will notice something, it is not WoW that people will be addicted to, it is how they make them feel. nothing to do with WoW itself as it is just a substitute for other activities that produce that effect which they have no other way of attaining.


No, you seem to be completely ignoring the cases of people who become addicted to chemicals through normal use. He has already mentioned this, but look at pain killer addictions. There is not necessarily anything missing in your life if you were in an accident and injured. Yet, if you are prescribed a serious pain killer for any amount of time the odds are good that you'll have at least some difficulty stopping.

That is a physical addiction. Your body has responded to the medication in a way that causes a physical need. The only thing a lot of these people were lacking was an absence of pain.

Look at a recovering crystal meth addict. You could give them an infinite supply of money, women, things to do, and any other fun activity you could think of. Yet they aren't going to be able to give up the pipe without serious help. They simply can't enjoy those things, because their brain now has a hindered ability to create feelings of joy for something like the next decade in severe cases. I'd consider that an addiction. Kicking WoW is as simple as finding something else to do.

Now what you are saying is not incorrect. Drugs are most commonly abused in order to fill some void or fit in with some crowd etc. That I'm sure is a common theme with video games and other behaviors, but you don't get the squirts when you give up WoW. So the what has a lot to do with it.

You just get bored, because in real life every activity isn't built in a way that offers instant gratification, easily denoted achievements, and known odds. You get lonely, because you've cut yourself off from a huge group of people that you've spent tons of time with over the last few months/years. So in my opinion it's not an addiction.

It's just a positively reinforced social environment and they are always hard to leave. You don't get addicted to high school, yet you miss it when you leave at least in most cases. It was full of friends and you got all these little happy achievements throughout with grades, sports, art, or whatever else you did. You had obvious timelines and goals that had obvious routes to achieve them. It isn't that far off from a game environment.
July 2, 2008 1:53:56 PM

Stranger, I think you need to go talk a chemistry class to understand what happens to an organism (not just humans) when you expose it to different drugs. Chemical dependency is a reality no matter how you want to rationalize why the addict started using in the first place.
Animals given drugs will become addicted and will suffer withdrawal when the drug is removed. Is it because they are lacking something in their lives? No, you can give them everything they need and they will still suffer from the addiction.
Smokers are another example of people who can lead completely fulfilling lives and still suffer from strong physical addictions. Most start out of ignorance when they are young not because they are missing something in their lives. Later on even when they realize how stupid it is and want to stop it can be incredibly difficult.
I'm also not sure where you got the idea that pain killer addiction is some sort of rarity. It's actually very common but much of it goes unreported because the addicts are "functioning addicts". And it hardly takes having a **** life to become addicted to them. Go ask Bret Favre or Rush Limbaugh how crappy their lives were that they became addicted to pain killers.
You're right that many addicts of any type get that way because of some underlining reason. But to wholey discredit physical addictions or classify them as the same as mental addictions is incorrect. In fact it almost puts you in the same group as the quack doc who thinks WoW is as bad as heroin. That is completely false. The only cure for physical addiction is to get off of the substance you're addicted to. For mental addiction however there is much evidence that moderation can be the cure. For example an MMO addict can learn to play in healthy moderation rather than just giving the game up completely. The argument being that if they really enjoy playing the game doing so in a more healthy manner would be more positive than completely giving it up and risking relapse.
July 2, 2008 2:53:48 PM

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So, regardless of the circumstances you think humans and indeed animals would even if given the drugs not say no?

You really don't get it, do you. I'm not talking about why people take drugs, I'm talking about the real physical addiction that occurs after the fact regardless of why they started in the first place.
With animals they neither have the cognitive capabilities to take drugs as a coping mechanism nor to reject drugs because of long term concerns. If you think they will "reject drugs in favor of a natural lifestyle" as long as they are happy then you have watched too many Disney movies with talking squirrels. I can flat out tell you that if you put a cigarette in front of a rat it will eat it regardless of it's quality of life (yes this actually does relate to my screen name in a strange way). If you continue to give that animal cigarettes for a couple weeks it will become addicted. When you stop giving them to it he'll have very pronounced signs of withdrawal.
With the two names I mentioned in regards to pain killer addiction it has nothing to do with being rich and famous. Simply just that they are a couple of high profile people who have suffered pain killer addiction after taking them for legit reasons and not because they were lacking something in their lives. Both are very successful and don't seem to be suffering from a lot of other problems. The logical reasoning for their addiction is a chemical response to the drugs. If somebody has an allergic reaction to a drug we don't blame it on them lacking something in their lives. It's just how their body reacted to those chemicals and not everybody will have the same reaction.

Also I'm not sure how you can not think people are dependent on substances. Try living without salt, sugar, oxygen, protein, water, etc. All things the body is dependant on to survive. Some you can go longer without than others but the natural response of the human body is to crave what it needs even to extreme lengths. Learn a little about chemistry and physiology and you'll see that the same reactions can be caused be drug use when chemicals in the brain are altered.
July 2, 2008 2:54:33 PM

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sorry, if i am being stubborn here but i just do not accept the view point that people are dependant on substances.


You can accept or not accept things as you wish, but physical dependances on body foreign substances are a fact. Denying facts is not very productive.

Now, to all the others that were making this point and introduced a physical versus a mental addiction, there is a lot of research going at the moment and it seems that mental addictions are not that different from physical addictions. I hope I will not confuse the issue too much but please bear with me:

With a physical addiction there's two things going on: the addiction to the "rush/the good feeling/trip", whatever you want to call it. The second part are the withdrawal symptoms if you are not taking the substance, to avoid those take some, and you get the "rush" as an added bonus. Big difference between morphine and heroine for instance, is the "rush" factor: a lot stronger in heroin, while you can reduce/treat/avoid withdrawal symptoms by switching to morphine, it will not give you a comparable "trip", if at all (it will still be a great pain reliever).

Now a mental addiction is still very much a chemical reaction in the brain, it gives a "rush", but is based on substances in the brain that are natural to the body and even produced by the body or the brain itself. Emotions are chemical reactions in the brain... when certain activities lead to overproduction of certain substances in the brain they will give us the rush, and doing it often enough, may even result in withdrawal symtoms once production levels are returning to normal...

This is also an explanation why some people are more prone to addictions than others, their brain responds differently to certain stimuli than others, or are more sensitive to some body natural substances, and to top it off, an addiction to chemicals foreign to the human body is a complex system of body natural substances and production thereoff and how these trigger different responses. Some people will not respond all that much tp canabis/weed for instance, while others do. The very definition of a hard drug versus a soft drug is determined how many people will be addicted to it in a short period of time.

To a certain extent every human being is addicted to all kind of substances in his/her brain, it is whether you let yourself be driven by those addictions or whether you can make those addictions work in your favor, that determine your success (your feeling of well being) in life. Obviously, addictions to substances we produce ourselves make us a lot less dependant on others, even more so if we can learn how to influence that production (consciously or unconsciously). Apologies for getting almost philosophical about this, but there is a lot more to addictions than some may consider at first glance.

July 2, 2008 3:04:18 PM

Guys I don't know why a thread about playing WOW, has expanded into a discussion on the physical and mental effects Pain killers and various chemicals have on the body, but I will say this:

I know that when I wasn't playing WOW, I was wishing I could.
I know that when I unistalled it once, I went only like 3 days before I reinstalled it again. I know that I needed to log in every night. I know that it did adversely affect my life, I lost friends, relationships, and time with family, and even a job due to coming in late too many times after playing into the late hours of the night, (4:00am). I know that I gained at least 15 pounds over those 9 months due to lack of physical activity.
I even spread the word and got others hooked. I know that even still to this day I am constantly tempted to reinstall the game, even though I still fight the temptation, it is their.

So out of all the things I listed many of these symptoms are the same symptoms or slight variations of symptoms experienced when using drugs or being addicted to certain activities , like gambling, Excessive sex ( Don't think this really is a problem) Strip Club syndrome, or addictions to pornography. These are all considered real issues , So why couldn't Addiction to gaming be considered as such?

All I know is the only way for me to quit it, was to come home one day, eject the disc from the CD-ROM drive, click unistall in the program options, and delete and cancel my account completely. I put everything back into the box and put it out of sight.

At that moment, it felt like a huge weight lifted off my shoulders. I quit cold turkey...just like that. and it was hard for about the first week, but I started playing other games, but only games with endings, ones that I could beat and move on. Thats how I beat what I consider my WOW addiction.

I got married to a beautiful girl, a great job, and a 2008 Nissan Maxima, and live really comfortably. But I can tell you this I wouldn't have any of those things if I was still playing WOW.

July 2, 2008 3:22:58 PM

Big Mac,
Great explanation on the differences and similarities between the two. The natural rush of mental addiction is a big part of why I agree with the moderation treatment of such addiction and not necessarily abstinence. The positive reaction to doing something like playing a video game or sport or having sex is known to be very beneficial to human health. It can be like using drugs with all the benefits but without the negatives. It's just when it's done in excess and in pursuit of a greater high that it becomes negative. Learning to control it not only allows you to enjoy the positive aspects but there are the added benefits of overcoming the addiction through self empowerment. That's why I don't like hearing about video game addiction being treated the same as drug addiction. Most that advocate doing so see video games as completely negative anyways, which obviously I don't agree with. Unfortunately it's an issue that's just barely beginning to be studied and many are doing so from an innately anti-gaming point of view. People who deny it all together just compound this problem by letting the anti-gaming crowd own the issue.
July 2, 2008 3:52:25 PM

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That's why I don't like hearing about video game addiction being treated the same as drug addiction. Most that advocate doing so see video games as completely negative anyways, which obviously I don't agree with. Unfortunately it's an issue that's just barely beginning to be studied and many are doing so from an innately anti-gaming point of view.


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With a physical addiction there's two things going on: the addiction to the "rush/the good feeling/trip", whatever you want to call it. The second part are the withdrawal symptoms if you are not taking the substance, to avoid those take some, and you get the "rush" as an added bonus.


Put those two things together and this is why I hate the term addiction in respect to behaviors. They are treated wrong, because the chemical dependency is not there. It is not a matter of detoxing. It is a matter of behavior modification and rationalization it's the old fun vs. work struggle.

Hence my opinion that addiction is not a fitting term. It carries with it the classic opinion of chemical dependency and complicates the issue unnecessarily. Addiction has a whole school of thought surrounding it and I don't think it applies well to non-chemical dependency issues.
July 2, 2008 3:52:45 PM

Read the discussion section on the wiki article you cited. Contains interesting stuf which might help the discussion along.
July 2, 2008 4:00:32 PM

clay12340 said:

Put those two things together and this is why I hate the term addiction in respect to behaviors. They are treated wrong, because the chemical dependency is not there. It is not a matter of detoxing. It is a matter of behavior modification and rationalization it's the old fun vs. work struggle.


I disagree. If behavior has induced a permanent state of changed production of levels of body native chemicals in the brain, stopping the behavior will actually induce withdrawal symptoms and the term detoxing does apply, for restoring the natural balance in the brain.

Obviously if conditions have not changed which made someone adopt the behavior that invoked the addiction, in the first place, then chances are, this person will fall into the same trap again, unless (s)he is made aware of this mechanism in order to avoid it, or treated with medication that make this person less sensitive to the natural substances that caused the addiction.
July 2, 2008 4:12:19 PM

removed this comment as it adds little to the discussion and would likely just add fuel to a potential flame.
July 2, 2008 4:25:16 PM

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I disagree. If behavior has induced a permanent state of changed production of levels of body native chemicals in the brain, stopping the behavior will actually induce withdrawal symptoms and the term detoxing does apply, for restoring the natural balance in the brain.


You are probably right here. I think maybe I am discounting withdrawal symptoms to some degree. Perhaps, I am not properly considering less mild cases a true withdrawal.
July 2, 2008 4:34:12 PM

First of you should have posted the actual study, not the Wikipedia entry if you want to be taken seriously. Secondly all that this study proves is what happened in one isolated case with whatever variables were used as it seems this experiment has not been reproduced (one of the keys to scientific research is being able to reproduce results). I'm not going to pick through this entire study, or any single study for that matter simply because there are tons of studies done every year which come to all sorts of whacky conclusions. There have even been studies done to prove that 1 + 1 does not always equal 2. What it comes down to is accurately reproducing results and coming to generally accepted conclusions based on multiple studies and repeated experimentation. For all we know this study was completely fudged. The truth is that decades of research has backed up the ideas of chemical dependency to certain drugs. Also it's not just about behavior (choosing to take the drug or not). There's clear evidence that introducing certain drugs into the body can actually change the body's chemistry which can result in dependency or withdrawal symptoms. Sure there are always environmental variables and not all drugs affect all people the same. But to deny it is real is just as stupid as people who blame everything on addiction.
July 2, 2008 4:51:00 PM

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purplerat, can you disprove this experiment and others like it?.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park

I will find the other sources i have gleaned my info from, had to bring up that one since you mentioned animals.

oh and i realise i am being a bit of an arse about this but i feel too mmuch is made of physical dependancies and too little about the individual and the environment they find themselves in.

Let's have an experiment. Take up heroin for about 6 months, upping your doses progressively, and at the 6 month mark, let's have you quit cold turkey. Setup a webcam, and enjoyment for everyone else.
July 2, 2008 10:50:57 PM

actually you can see withdrawl symptoms with something that is much more widely accepted..... TEA.

its very easy to be addicted to TEA, i stopped drinking it for 6 weeks, in the first two days i had a migrane, after that mood swings, then i calmed down(why dont you try it?)

i dont really have anything to add, but wanted to congratulate BigMac on a well thought out, descriptive post about physical and mental addictions within the human body, i belief everything he stated is correct.
July 2, 2008 11:09:36 PM

It was likely the caffeine that you had withdrawals from not the tea ;) 

July 3, 2008 11:14:57 AM

there is no game addiction the lazy call it an addiction in denial of being lazy nothing more. It's easier to blame something for their own laziness or except responsibility and say I'm lazy.
July 3, 2008 1:57:26 PM

I'm not sure how game addiction (or any addiction for that matter) relates to laziness. Most addicts spend an enormous amount of time and effort just to get the smallest payoff from their addiction. Think about how many hours a WoW player will spend trying to get just one piece of gear or farming gold. Like I mentioned above I attribute my non-addiction to be too lazy to actually do something compulsively.
July 3, 2008 2:37:57 PM

Im really shocked by that confession, ive heard it can be attictive but thats to the extreme! Dont install it again, BURN THE DISC (Not as in copying either) Physicaly destroy it!

kkthanksbye
October 26, 2008 12:47:04 AM

my head has just been wrapped in a warm soggy nappy. You get it when you reach the reality section in wow. My pee runs into my shoes now but its totally worth it for the bonuses I get and my starving cat doesn't mind the shower too much!
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