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June 9, 2012 3:03:03 AM

Unolocogringo said:
I have been at Toms since 1996.
And have seen a lot of disturbing things such as the original Delphi forums. Toms games which went from a great game review site to a flash game site with lots of porn flash games????
Then the second forums with very bad moderator choices (hence my avitar).
I have no problem with the moderator team as it is now, they are just doing their job. And are mostly forum members like us.
Although I have been temporarily banned twice for giving new members a hard time for illegal activities in the last year. New members and page loads seem more important than morals. The all mighty dollar at work.
Over the years there have been several attemps to get a forum section for F@H with no sucess.


Over the years we haven't had a Community Manager either. BoM as a whole may take little interest in the community apart from how much traffic their content generates, but that doesn't mean that Joe, the mods or Community Reporters have the same attitude. I have seen enough to know that the way things used to be run is quite different to the way things are run now.

I cannot see a problem with maintaining an affiliation with THG. I can see a problem with letting that affiliation be too strong. For example, I do not want to see a BoM employee as the team founder. Being backed by a commercial entity is not a problem, but a community-based team should be headed up by someone who is solely from the community and has no commercial ties. I count the moderation team as part of that group as none of them are employees.

Regardless of who the founder is, they need to be the sort of person who isn't going to vanish one day like before. Someone needs to be able to contact them.

EXT64 said:
I'll let you know randoMIZER. I'm hoping that if they find that the founder hasn't been active folding for a while and they fail to get in contact with the person, then they will be open to changing the founder. If it does come to that, perhaps Joe's (or yours, as a mod) word will carry a little more weight and he is a official Tom's person. But, regardless I'll let you know.


Sounds like a plan :) 
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June 9, 2012 8:25:14 AM

WOW, I've finally reached the end of the new posts. :ouch: 

bholland, your script is on a whole new level, but I like it :D  (Had to Google Hoi polloi and I'm glad its in my life now.)

This idea is obviously more complex than it seems, but it looks like you have managed to simplify it down to a straight forward vote for 5.

This makes sense to me, not sure what the commitment would actually represent in terms of time or duties, maybe not a lot.

I'm quite happy to dedicate a bit of time to anything I can do to help.

Anyway if we are voting I suppose I should cast....let me think.....based on lyrical content.

Warmon
EXT
bholland
lilcinw
Haserath

Mod - Mouseman
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June 9, 2012 1:00:12 PM

randomizer said:
Over the years we haven't had a Community Manager either. BoM as a whole may take little interest in the community apart from how much traffic their content generates, but that doesn't mean that Joe, the mods or Community Reporters have the same attitude. I have seen enough to know that the way things used to be run is quite different to the way things are run now.

I cannot see a problem with maintaining an affiliation with THG. I can see a problem with letting that affiliation be too strong. For example, I do not want to see a BoM employee as the team founder. Being backed by a commercial entity is not a problem, but a community-based team should be headed up by someone who is solely from the community and has no commercial ties. I count the moderation team as part of that group as none of them are employees.

Regardless of who the founder is, they need to be the sort of person who isn't going to vanish one day like before. Someone needs to be able to contact them.



Sounds like a plan :) 



To me there is a big distinct difference in a F@H forum section, which would be controled by BOM and a Team home page, which represents US the actual folders and content should be controlled by US the folders.
I do not want to dissassociate ourselves from Toms , but I do not want to give controll of the Teams home page to BOM,losing all controll of its contents.
We fold to give and help mankind. BOM is in it for the money they can generate .
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June 9, 2012 4:06:35 PM

I shall cast my vote:

warmon06
EXT64
beanoslim
Haserath
bholland (just because I like the guy and his ideas :p )

Mods of choice:
randoMIZER
MouseMonkey

NOTE: Not in any order.
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June 9, 2012 5:02:49 PM

dogman_1234 said:
I shall cast my vote:

warmon06
EXT64
beanoslim
Haserath
bholland (just because I like the guy and his ideas :p )

Mods of choice:
randoMIZER
MouseMonkey

NOTE: Not in any order.



to make it simple for me I vote the same way as above though I dont think it is official voting time LOL

what about using a poll thread to handle our voting?
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June 9, 2012 5:04:51 PM

my PPD has been between 7000-8000
I have a PHII 965BE at 4ghz and a OCd HD 5770 1gb
is that about right?
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June 9, 2012 5:36:47 PM

At this stagge we are doing nominations. So just put down 1-5 people who you think would be decent for the job. Later we will hold the actual voting (see bholland's post up near the top of this page).
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June 9, 2012 5:43:25 PM

king smp said:
my PPD has been between 7000-8000
I have a PHII 965BE at 4ghz and a OCd HD 5770 1gb
is that about right?



Try ditching the 5770 for a bit and see what the 965 can do on its own.
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June 9, 2012 8:23:10 PM

How much data is transfered everytime you fold? Transfered back in forth during folding, because Comcast has started a data cap. If you exceed the data cap they charge you extra. So i would like an estimate of about how much data is sent between each WU.
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June 9, 2012 8:37:09 PM

amuffin said:
How much data is transfered everytime you fold? Transfered back in forth during folding, because Comcast has started a data cap. If you exceed the data cap they charge you extra. So i would like an estimate of about how much data is sent between each WU.


It's been a while since i've looked but the largest wu's that i can remember where about 100MBs in size. SMP, CPU, and GPU wu's where much smaller (i want to say about 10 to 25MB at that the most.)

I would say look at your log files and see what size the WU's have been lately for you and average them out.

Quote:
--- Opening Log file [February 8 17:56:30 UTC]


# Linux Console Edition #######################################################
###############################################################################

Folding@Home Client Version 6.34

http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Launch directory: /home/brent/fah
Executable: ./fah6
Arguments: -configonly

[17:56:30] Configuring Folding@Home...


[18:01:40] - Ask before connecting: No
[18:01:40] - User name: patonb (Team 12864)
[18:01:40] - User ID not found locally
[18:01:40] + Requesting User ID from server
[18:01:40] - Getting ID from AS:
[18:01:40] Connecting to http://assign.stanford.edu:8080/
[18:01:40] Posted data.
[18:01:40] Initial: 864F; - Received User ID = 4F8613D83CD4A364
[18:01:40] - Machine ID: 1
[18:01:40]
[18:01:40] -configonly flag given, so exiting.


--- Opening Log file [February 8 18:02:08 UTC]


# Linux SMP Console Edition ###################################################
###############################################################################

Folding@Home Client Version 6.34

http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Launch directory: /home/brent/fah
Executable: ./fah6
Arguments: -smp 24 -bigadv -verbosity 9

[18:02:08] - Ask before connecting: No
[18:02:08] - User name: patonb (Team 12864)
[18:02:08] - User ID: 4F8613D83CD4A364
[18:02:08] - Machine ID: 1
[18:02:08]
[18:02:08] Work directory not found. Creating...
[18:02:08] Could not open work queue, generating new queue...
[18:02:08] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[18:02:08] Cleaning up work directory
[18:02:08] - Autosending finished units... [February 8 18:02:08 UTC]
[18:02:08] Trying to send all finished work units
[18:02:08] + No unsent completed units remaining.
[18:02:08] - Autosend completed
[18:02:08] + Attempting to get work packet
[18:02:08] Passkey found
[18:02:08] - Will indicate memory of 4970 MB
[18:02:08] - Connecting to assignment server
[18:02:08] Connecting to http://assign.stanford.edu:8080/
[18:02:08] Posted data.
[18:02:08] Initial: ED82; - Successful: assigned to (130.237.232.237).
[18:02:08] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[18:02:09] Loaded queue successfully.
[18:02:09] Sent data
[18:02:09] Connecting to http://130.237.232.237:8080/
[18:02:21] Posted data.
[18:02:21] Initial: 0000; - Receiving payload (expected size: 57247692)
[18:04:43] - Downloaded at ~393 kB/s
[18:04:43] - Averaged speed for that direction ~393 kB/s
[18:04:43] + Received work.
[18:04:43] + Closed connections


(Not my log file)
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June 9, 2012 8:55:14 PM

Quote:
*********************** Log Started 2012-06-09T20:49:38Z ***********************
20:49:38:************************* Folding@home Client *************************
20:49:38: Website: http://folding.stanford.edu/
20:49:38: Copyright: (c) 2009-2012 Stanford University
20:49:38: Author: Joseph Coffland <joseph@cauldrondevelopment.com>
20:49:38: Args: --lifeline 2708 --command-port=36330
20:49:38: Config: C:/Users/Brian/AppData/Roaming/FAHClient/config.xml
20:49:38:******************************** Build ********************************
20:49:38: Version: 7.1.52
20:49:38: Date: Mar 20 2012
20:49:38: Time: 19:37:42
20:49:38: SVN Rev: 3515
20:49:38: Branch: fah/trunk/client
20:49:38: Compiler: Intel(R) C++ MSVC 1500 mode 1200
20:49:38: Options: /TP /nologo /EHa /Qdiag-disable:4297,4103,1786,279 /Ox -arch:SSE
20:49:38: /QaxSSE2,SSE3,SSSE3,SSE4.1,SSE4.2 /Qopenmp /Qrestrict /MT
20:49:38: Platform: win32 XP
20:49:38: Bits: 32
20:49:38: Mode: Release
20:49:38:******************************* System ********************************
20:49:38: CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz
20:49:38: CPU ID: GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 42 Stepping 7
20:49:38: CPUs: 8
20:49:38: Memory: 15.91GiB
20:49:38: Free Memory: 13.48GiB
20:49:38: Threads: WINDOWS_THREADS
20:49:38: On Battery: false
20:49:38: UTC offset: -7
20:49:38: PID: 5572
20:49:38: CWD: C:/Users/Brian/AppData/Roaming/FAHClient
20:49:38: OS: Windows 7 Home Premium
20:49:38: OS Arch: AMD64
20:49:38: GPUs: 1
20:49:38: GPU 0: FERMI:1 GF116 [GeForce GTX 550 Ti]
20:49:38: CUDA: 2.1
20:49:38: CUDA Driver: 4020
20:49:38:Win32 Service: false
20:49:38:***********************************************************************
20:49:38:<config>
20:49:38: <!-- Folding Slot Configuration -->
20:49:38: <gpu v='true'/>
20:49:38:
20:49:38: <!-- Network -->
20:49:38: <proxy v=':8080'/>
20:49:38:
20:49:38: <!-- User Information -->
20:49:38: <passkey v='********************************'/>
20:49:38: <team v='40051'/>
20:49:38: <user v='amuffin'/>
20:49:38:
20:49:38: <!-- Folding Slots -->
20:49:38: <slot id='0' type='SMP'/>
20:49:38:</config>
20:49:38:Trying to access database...
20:49:38:Successfully acquired database lock
20:49:38:Enabled folding slot 00: READY smp:8
20:49:38:WU00:FS00:Starting
20:49:38:WU00:FS00:Running FahCore: "C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient/FAHCoreWrapper.exe" C:/Users/Brian/AppData/Roaming/FAHClient/cores/www.stanford.edu/~pande/Win32/AMD64/Core_a4.fah/FahCore... -dir 00 -suffix 01 -version 701 -lifeline 5572 -checkpoint 15 -np 8
20:49:38:WU00:FS00:Started FahCore on PID 5556
20:49:38:Server connection id=1 on 0.0.0.0:36330 from 127.0.0.1
20:49:38:WU00:FS00:Core PID:5400
20:49:38:WU00:FS00:FahCore 0xa4 started
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:*------------------------------*
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Folding@Home Gromacs GB Core
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Version 2.27 (Dec. 15, 2010)
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:p reparing to commence simulation
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Looking at optimizations...
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Files status OK
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Expanded 52377 -> 194344 (decompressed 371.0 percent)
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=52377 data_size=194344, decompressed_data_size=194344 diff=0
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Digital signature verified
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:p roject: 7026 (Run 0, Clone 23, Gen 69)
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Assembly optimizations on if available.
20:49:39:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Entering M.D.
20:49:44:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Mapping NT from 8 to 8
20:49:45:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Completed 0 out of 10000000 steps (0%)
20:51:55:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Completed 100000 out of 10000000 steps (1%)
20:54:09:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Completed 200000 out of 10000000 steps (2%)

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June 9, 2012 9:56:30 PM

Folding SMP and GPU shouldn't take up much of your cap (which is what, by the way?).

BigAdv would, as like warmon said they are in the 100's of MB. I think that most SMP and GPU are a few MB at most.
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June 10, 2012 2:07:23 AM

How do I link a linux box with a windows 7 system? I want to get my i7-2600 rig folding too!
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June 10, 2012 2:52:45 AM

What do you mean by 'link'? All you need to get a Linux computer folding is an internet connection and the Linux V7 client.
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June 10, 2012 3:02:00 AM

beanoslim said:
Try ditching the 5770 for a bit and see what the 965 can do on its own.



thank you I will try that tonight
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June 10, 2012 3:09:06 AM

EXT64 said:
What do you mean by 'link'? All you need to get a Linux computer folding is an internet connection and the Linux V7 client.

If I do that, do I just use the same username team and passcode?
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June 10, 2012 3:17:41 AM

amuffin said:
If I do that, do I just use the same username team and passcode?

Yes. It'll all be the same.

I thought you meant using F@H Control to be able to control the second one with it.
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June 10, 2012 3:22:58 AM

Yep, as long as you use the same user name, passcode, and team number the points will go to the same place. I've got 6 computers running that way and they all work fine. I'm too lazy to set it up so that they all report to one F@H Control.
June 10, 2012 3:53:18 AM

Here are my nominations, in no particular order:

beanoslim
EXT64
warmon6
Haserath
lilcinw
June 10, 2012 6:43:07 AM

king smp said:
what about using a poll thread to handle our voting?

If you, or somebody can come up with a poll that will allow only members of Tom's Folding community to vote and allow the member to vote for up to 5 different nominees and no more, prevent any member from voting for a nominee more than once, and not show the results until the time and date that the poll is closed, then I am all for it.

If you can meet those requirements then let me know and I will send you, or whoever, a list of nominees on Wednesday to post for voting.

bholland2
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June 10, 2012 6:43:36 AM

king smp said:
what about using a poll thread to handle our voting?


I'd advise against trusting this forum software to work properly :lol:  Then again, it will make tampering by the OP obvious. The poll resets as soon as you change any of the options.
June 10, 2012 7:13:17 AM

randomizer said:
I'd advise against trusting this forum software to work properly :lol:  Then again, it will make tampering by the OP obvious. The poll resets as soon as you change any of the options.

Can I be the OP? Or can you? I believe I can trust you for help with this.
Does it meet all of the requirements?

bholland2
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June 10, 2012 7:14:59 AM

For Polls, other users would be able to vote. So this makes it difficult, because many people on the forums do not know what F@H is! Probably best to do email ballots..
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June 10, 2012 7:30:07 AM

I wasn't insinuating that anyone would be tampering with the options. I was just noting the one useful feature (bug?) with the polls that this forum uses. The trick with the polls is actually getting them to work in the first place. It requires an arcane ritual known only to a few members.

FWIW, I don't mind running the poll but it's not my call.

EDIT: Actually, no, it doesn't meet the requirements. Results are immediately visible to all members who have voted, and to all members who cast a "blank" vote to see them as well.
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June 10, 2012 8:04:09 AM

Who here wants to be the founder? Everyone is nominating other people. lol
June 10, 2012 8:12:08 AM

randomizer said:
I wasn't insinuating that anyone would be tampering with the options. I was just noting the one useful feature (bug?) with the polls that this forum uses. The trick with the polls is actually getting them to work in the first place. It requires an arcane ritual known only to a few members.

FWIW, I don't mind running the poll but it's not my call.

EDIT: Actually, no, it doesn't meet the requirements. Results are immediately visible to all members who have voted, and to all members who cast a "blank" vote to see them as well.

That's what I expected. I think I'll stick with my original plan. I don't expect it to be that much of a problem. Anybody and everybody can see the votes but at least we can see who is voting. I'm not expecting more than a couple dozen voters anyway, actually I would be pleased with that many.

Thanks
bholland2
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June 10, 2012 8:15:14 AM

Haserath said:
Who here wants to be the founder? Everyone is nominating other people. lol


That's actually a good question. Maybe the person who gets voted won't actually want to be the founder :o 
June 10, 2012 8:38:25 AM

Haserath said:
Who here wants to be the founder? Everyone is nominating other people. lol

I noticed that too. You may nominate as many as you wish, you may even nominate yourself.

It is only voting that is limited to 5. Voting doesn't start till Wednesday. You may vote for your self as one of your 5 votes, in fact I recommend it. If you don't believe in "me" then why should we?

I'm also a little disappointed that no one has started campaigning yet.
Tell us about your qualifications.
Tell us how you would get better participation in the forum by the "Hoi polloi". (LOL)
Tell us what we can do to get more active folders and more PPD.
Tell us how you would like to structure the Committee.
Tell us what you think the Committee should be called, and the title of its leader.
Tell us about other things you would like the Committee to get involved in... or not!
Tell us how you think we should deal with the founder problem.
Convince us you are a team player.
Pick any, some, or all of the above, or pick things I haven't listed. Show us your vision.

Don't just sit there and hope you will get picked and then you can do great things. Tell us about some of those great things and perhaps we will pick you. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. The only thing worse than having people criticize you is to have people not talking about you at all.

Voting starts Wednesday, you need to give us a reason why we should follow you.

bholland2
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June 10, 2012 8:40:43 AM

randomizer said:
That's actually a good question. Maybe the person who gets voted won't actually want to be the founder :o 


That actually is one thing we do need to address, maybe if someone has been nominated, they can then state that they do not want to part of it. Also a forum moderator should hopefully be a part of this, if they want, just so we can have a bit more control over our thread (hopefully subsection).

As it stands I believe all those that I would put forward have already been nominated. I will look over the last pages to double check.

On another note, looking at changing from a 2400 to a 2600k or a 2700k. Roughly $50 difference between the two, $500 vs $550. The main point being hyper-threading, it seems Intel only like to put these on a few CPUs. Firstly, does hyper-threading make a decent difference with folding, and secondly is the 2700K worth the extra $50?
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June 10, 2012 8:48:29 AM

anti-painkilla said:
That actually is one thing we do need to address, maybe if someone has been nominated, they can then state that they do not want to part of it. Also a forum moderator should hopefully be a part of this, if they want, just so we can have a bit more control over our thread (hopefully subsection).

As it stands I believe all those that I would put forward have already been nominated. I will look over the last pages to double check.

On another note, looking at changing from a 2400 to a 2600k or a 2700k. Roughly $50 difference between the two, $500 vs $550. The main point being hyper-threading, it seems Intel only like to put these on a few CPUs. Firstly, does hyper-threading make a decent difference with folding, and secondly is the 2700K worth the extra $50?

2700K=2600K+100mhz. So no, it's not worth the $50.
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June 10, 2012 8:58:56 AM

anti-painkilla said:
Also a forum moderator should hopefully be a part of this, if they want, just so we can have a bit more control over our thread (hopefully subsection).

Oh don't worry too much about that, I'm sure there will always be a Mod or two around to keep an eye on things. ;) 
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June 10, 2012 9:00:59 AM

Mousemonkey said:
Oh don't worry too much about that, I'm sure there will always be a Mod or two around to keep an eye on things. ;) 

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June 10, 2012 9:15:04 AM

randomizer said:
That's actually a good question. Maybe the person who gets voted won't actually want to be the founder :o 



I did mention this a few pages back.

Anyone who wants to do this let themselves known and then we can vote on the willing candidates.

Can I just confirm that the voting that has already been done means anything?

I thought this was an early stage vote to gather candidates before the final vote, or maybe I'm wrong.

I keep seeing votes and then people being told to vote again and then the voting starts wednesday etc etc.

bholland, you seem to have a grip on this situation can you just compose one more final and definative outline on this process. Thanks.
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June 10, 2012 9:20:45 AM

anti-painkilla said:


On another note, looking at changing from a 2400 to a 2600k or a 2700k. Roughly $50 difference between the two, $500 vs $550. The main point being hyper-threading, it seems Intel only like to put these on a few CPUs. Firstly, does hyper-threading make a decent difference with folding, and secondly is the 2700K worth the extra $50?



I've been in the market for a change also (computer related ;)  obviously :lol:  )

Will your board take an Ivybridge CPU, the i5 3570k or 3770k seem to be a slight improvement over the i5 2500k and i7 2600k.

If not I'd go with the 2600k, HT makes a differance and it will OC easily past the 2700k's default clock anyway.

The Ivy's will stay a bit cooler and be a bit faster but the 2600k is still a great chip.
June 10, 2012 9:26:40 AM

beanoslim said:
I did mention this a few pages back.

Anyone who wants to do this let themselves known and then we can vote on the willing candidates.

Can I just confirm that the voting that has already been done means anything?

I thought this was an early stage vote to gather candidates before the final vote, or maybe I'm wrong.

I keep seeing votes and then people being told to vote again and then the voting starts wednesday etc etc.

bholland, you seem to have a grip on this situation can you just compose one more final and definative outline on this process. Thanks.

Already did... It is here
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/page-268010_28_5000.h...

Also, this more recent one:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/page-268010_28_5050.h...

bholland2
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June 10, 2012 9:45:39 AM

beanoslim said:
I did mention this a few pages back.


Apologies. I haven't read every post in this thread :whistle: 

beanoslim said:
Anyone who wants to do this let themselves known and then we can vote on the willing candidates.


Speaking of "this": is there a post here outlining precisely what everyone thinks "this" actually is, ie. what are we are voting someone to do? I recall seeing a lengthy post about a committee a while back, but can't seem to find it in this rather quickly-moving thread.
June 10, 2012 9:56:13 AM

randomizer said:
Apologies. I haven't read every post in this thread :whistle: 



Speaking of "this": is there a post here outlining precisely what everyone thinks "this" actually is, ie. what are we are voting someone to do? I recall seeing a lengthy post about a committee a while back, but can't seem to find it in this rather quickly-moving thread.

The fundamental purpose of all this is to replace a single founder with a committee of founders.
We do this so we don't end up without a founder again in the future. A group, committee, as the keepers of the founder identity.

It will become the actual identity of Tom's Hardware Forums folding@home team.

This is it's primary function.

bholland2
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June 10, 2012 10:19:28 AM

So the role of the committee, besides being backup founders, hasn't yet been scoped? Fair enough. How that is going to be handled I'm not sure though. If all committee members have the the login details for the team, the founder is basically only the founder in title, since all members have access to the team's profile (which has its pros and cons). If they do not have this access, they would simply need to keep up-to-date contact details of the founder, though this still doesn't prevent the current situation from repeating itself, it merely reduces the likelihood.

I should stop musing out loud. It looks like mindless rambling :lol: 
June 10, 2012 10:39:37 AM

randomizer said:
So the role of the committee, besides being backup founders, hasn't yet been scoped? Fair enough. How that is going to be handled I'm not sure though. If all committee members have the the login details for the team, the founder is basically only the founder in title, since all members have access to the team's profile (which has its pros and cons). If they do not have this access, they would simply need to keep up-to-date contact details of the founder, though this still doesn't prevent the current situation from repeating itself, it merely reduces the likelihood.

I should stop musing out loud. It looks like mindless rambling :lol: 

Indeed it does sound that way but you may be right. The whole point is that the previous method hasn't worked out very well, it's broke. We have had at least 3 "founders" sequentially and we can't find any of them.

Stupid is roughly defined as, "doing the same thing over and over in the same way and expecting a different outcome."

The idea here is to replace founder with a committee. This may not work out either but it is better than leaving things the way they are... i.e. being stupid.

This also opens up opportunities for greater participation by members and provides a path for other activities such as membership drives, contests, whatever.

bholland2
a b à CPUs
June 10, 2012 10:56:17 AM

I should've said commitee members really. If we can setup a puppet founder, that would work well.
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a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2012 11:09:37 AM

bholland2 said:
Indeed it does sound that way but you may be right. The whole point is that the previous method hasn't worked out very well, it's broke. We have had at least 3 "founders" sequentially and we can't find any of them.


I'm not sure how serious the previous founders were, or whether they simply held the role because somebody had to. Indeed that may still be the case this time in that the founder may just be a technicality, but as long as they don't disappear with the yoke we can still fly the plane, should they choose to pull out. It's our best option given what we have to work with. :) 
June 10, 2012 11:18:57 AM

randomizer said:
So the role of the committee, besides being backup founders, hasn't yet been scoped? Fair enough. How that is going to be handled I'm not sure though.

The way I see it the committee has 3 tasks at its beginning:
1) determine the procedure to select a leader/speaker/prime-founder/whatever and select one.
2) determine how the founder identity is to be dealt with.
3) establish a charter or set of ground rules for its operation. Including but not limited to:
:)  a) terms of service.
:)  b) code of ethics.
:)  c) methods and/or procedures for leader or member replacement.
:)  d) a method for placing the charter into law.
:)  e) a method of amending the charter.
:)  :(  several other things, some of which I can't recall at the moment.

The truth is I really don't want to get into all this stuff at this time. It is the job of the committee, not mine, and I'm not running for the committee.

This first committee will have to define themselves and set the precedent for the future.

Having a King is always easier. The question is, "is it better?"

bholland2

P.S. Remember, if you are nominated and don't want to deal with all this you can always decline.
a b à CPUs
June 10, 2012 11:37:02 AM

bholland2 said:
I noticed that too. You may nominate as many as you wish, you may even nominate yourself.

It is only voting that is limited to 5. Voting doesn't start till Wednesday. You may vote for your self as one of your 5 votes, in fact I recommend it. If you don't believe in "me" then why should we?

I'm also a little disappointed that no one has started campaigning yet.
Tell us about your qualifications.
Tell us how you would get better participation in the forum by the "Hoi polloi". (LOL)
Tell us what we can do to get more active folders and more PPD.
Tell us how you would like to structure the Committee.
Tell us what you think the Committee should be called, and the title of its leader.
Tell us about other things you would like the Committee to get involved in... or not!
Tell us how you think we should deal with the founder problem.
Convince us you are a team player.
Pick any, some, or all of the above, or pick things I haven't listed. Show us your vision.

Don't just sit there and hope you will get picked and then you can do great things. Tell us about some of those great things and perhaps we will pick you. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. The only thing worse than having people criticize you is to have people not talking about you at all.

Voting start Wednesday, you need to give us a reason why we should follow you.

bholland2

You mean say what you're going to do, then do the exact opposite of what is expected once you're elected?

Reminds you of how a certain country is run, doesn't it?
June 10, 2012 11:57:22 AM

Haserath said:
You mean say what you're going to do, then do the exact opposite of what is expected once you're elected?

Reminds you of how a certain country is run, doesn't it?

I nominate:

Haserath

This is so we won't have to worry about that problem he mentioned. Just tell us how this should work and then "Make it so."

A very important lesson I learned a long time ago, "If you don't have a better idea, don't complain!"
If you do complain then that means you do have a better idea and you need to show me what I'm doing wrong... Don't tell me, show me. If I recall correctly, that was in OCS.

bholland2
June 10, 2012 12:11:00 PM

Quote:
I am unsure to the needs of qualifications, i much prefer trust and knowing a person has the knowledge and experience.... paper work does nothing but show you listened to a lecturer and succeeded in getting the paper to prove it.

You need someone who can lead and be loyal to that position, not someone choosing foolishly.

Based on this great opening, I nominate:

recon-uk

Just in case he hasn't already been nominated. (I think he has)
Sounds like a great opening to a campaign... Please, tell us more.
What do you think the term of service should be for committee members?
What should be the term of service for the committee boss?
Do you think the committee leader should be the "founder" contact? Or do you think he should appoint a volunteer to that position and then just make sure he has the "founder" contact info.

bholland2
a b à CPUs
June 10, 2012 12:12:41 PM

I had checked a website and the 3770k was $708 but checking one of our supplier, they don't stock SB hence not checking before, its only $540. So a considerable difference. Haven't been following IB that much, how are they for over clocking in terms of heat and stable clocks?

Will IB be better than the 2600? Need a new mobo as well. Long story there. So it can be IB if I want.
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a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2012 12:27:07 PM

After some further consideration, I think that the founder (referring to the team founder as far as Pande is concerned) should be someone selected by the committee but not someone from the committee. This means that a trusted and active member of the community holds the proverbial keys, but not someone who may decide to run amok after a disagreement with other committee members. It is, if you like, an honorary position, rather than one with any particular decision-making capacity.

I apologise if my posts always seem negative, but I am better at looking for the cloud rather than the silver lining. There are plenty of others to look for the silver lining :) 
a b à CPUs
June 10, 2012 12:35:12 PM

My idea about running for elections?

Don't say what you're going to do. Say what you've done. You have to argue for your cause with evidence; not crap you made up just to win.

Anybody that brings up the 'bad side' of another 'politician'(so to speak), is an immediate disqualification for me. Why are you wasting your time saying 'oh look how bad they are' when you can argue how good you are?

Of course, having great ideas, like saying what you're going to do, is a way to show that you can come up with good ideas. Implementation might not happen though.

Warmon has been here and he has revived this thread so many times I lost count. He's the one that really deserves the 'founder title' even if it really is just a figure-head. ;) 

We really should only have a committee if we can make a puppet founder. Otherwise, what's the point? Shouldn't our folding community be just that, a community? Don't lay the work on 5 members; the community should come up with ideas on how to grow. We don't need to go through a committee to start our own Chimp Challenge; let's just do it ourselves.

Elections are a great way to make you feel included...but do they really matter? Ask the US politicians when they're drunk; you might get a real answer then.
a b à CPUs
June 10, 2012 12:38:04 PM

randomizer said:
After some further consideration, I think that the founder (referring to the team founder as far as Pande is concerned) should be someone selected by the committee but not someone from the committee. This means that a trusted and active member of the community holds the proverbial keys, but not someone who may decide to run amok after a disagreement with other committee members. It is, if you like, an honorary position, rather than one with any particular decision-making capacity.

I apologise if my posts always seem negative, but I am better at looking for the cloud rather than the silver lining. There are plenty of others to look for the silver lining :) 

What can the prime-founder really do? You can't disband the team with it, can you?
June 10, 2012 12:38:53 PM

Quote:
@Bholland2
If you read my post above, you are doing this to get a reaction, this is already showing a bad side to you...

I am a veteran.. i have experience in leadership ect ect, this is a different aspect to that, i will not do it, as i cannot say i will be here forever..
As i said, you need someone trust worthy and loyal to the task, or you will get nowhere.

I had not read your post above, you posted it while I was writing a post myself.
I am sorry you feel that way.
If you do not wish to run for election then please put up a short post saying that you decline the nomination. I think you had already been nominated anyway, I could be wrong.
If you do not wish to participate in this activity in a positive manner then please refrain from criticizing those who do.

Thank You
bholland2
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