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November 30, 2010 1:11:18 PM

beanoslim said:
RIP WARMON He was a good Folder :cry: 

It's ok guys he'll be back! But I do agree with elel, we need to get Warmon to a doctor to get his head examined. :pt1cable: 
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my forums' f@h will win!
muahahahaha!
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bi [...] num=191779
lol you guys have competition (well not real intimidating competition but competition nontheless! *evil cackel*...

Just give up and join the dark side, we have cookies. :lol: 
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November 30, 2010 5:47:35 PM

well i figure i can do some folding with my laptop when not really needing the cpu power, Core i7 720qm full tilt
November 30, 2010 7:46:51 PM

Damn newegg!

Ordered the stuff to get my hexa into production folding and the 470GTX. 3 day guaranteed shipping. Ordered Wednesday, Shipped Friday and It's due Thursday? To top in off, guaranteed 3 day always turns into 4 days AFTER the original scheduled time. I miss the days of newegg using fedex. I got all the three day stuff in 2.

Rant over....

Come back soon warman
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November 30, 2010 8:02:00 PM

I'll be back


Maybe in a few weeks (during or after xmas), i can build a small desktop that can be folding with us.
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November 30, 2010 8:24:36 PM

doubled said:
Damn newegg!

Ordered the stuff to get my hexa into production folding and the 470GTX. 3 day guaranteed shipping. Ordered Wednesday, Shipped Friday and It's due Thursday? To top in off, guaranteed 3 day always turns into 4 days AFTER the original scheduled time. I miss the days of newegg using fedex. I got all the three day stuff in 2.

Rant over....

Come back soon warman


Nice1 Mindless its all gonna help. [:bohleyk:1]

Tell me about it, 5 days for a 3 day delivery and then a DOA, I've re-ordered mine elsewhere.

^Hey theres Warmon, I always wondered what he looked like. :lol: 
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November 30, 2010 9:13:57 PM

beanoslim said:
Nice1 Mindless its all gonna help. [:bohleyk:1]


well, i was boycotting it until the ati client was better, but the laptop just idles most of the time
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November 30, 2010 9:24:36 PM

beanoslim said:
Nice1 Mindless its all gonna help. [:bohleyk:1]

Tell me about it, 5 days for a 3 day delivery and then a DOA, I've re-ordered mine elsewhere.

^Hey theres Warmon, I always wondered what he looked like. :lol: 


Sorry but thats the terminator. :lol: 

He coming after me for folding some of his guns. (thats the second non F@H thing i've folded.0 Muahahah!

Oh dear :ouch:  ..... RUN AWAY!

*terminator* :gun: 
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November 30, 2010 10:45:02 PM

O.O How much money do you have for the budget warmon? XD I was trying to build a budget desktop to fold. Got a 700$ one with a 460 and a 1055T Thank god for price drops. XD No OS or Monitor though =P
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November 30, 2010 11:42:38 PM

aznshinobi said:
O.O How much money do you have for the budget warmon? XD I was trying to build a budget desktop to fold. Got a 700$ one with a 460 and a 1055T Thank god for price drops. XD No OS or Monitor though =P


About $100 :lol:  (this is just to get the core of my family desktop back up and running.)

Which is just enough to get ram, motherboard, and cpu in a few of these combos.

Combo 1:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

= $92.87

Combo 2:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

=$110.87

Combo 3: (probably the max i could do)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

=$133.87

Yes, if i did get a sempron, i would definitly try to unlock it to a dual core cpu. ;) 


HDD, DVD roms, ect are going to be reused and slowly replaced over time.

Has windows XP on the HDD so i probably will be just fine on 1 GB of ram. (I'm very doubtful i have any intensive games on that HDD that i would need 2GB of ram for as i only had a AGP Evga Geforce 6200 with a 2.8Ghz P4 HT Heck im sure the intergrated graphic on any of these MB's could match or out run my geforce 6200 :lol:  )


Out of all 3 of the combo's, i like the 2 one the most as it has soild caps instead of liquid filled Caps on the motherboard. Although that 3 option would be best for F@H, general use, and (along with first option) it will be useful for the ability to run different rams and cpu's. (some times my dad and I will work on other peoples computers (mainly friends and family) so the ability to test different hardware on one board would defiantly be a feature we would use. Hmmm.....

Overall, im viewing these hardware more as a filler until my family has enough money to got build a a new computer system Like the Phenom II's and core i5/7's.
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November 30, 2010 11:47:13 PM

Get the Athlon X3, defiantly. Folds bout 4k PPD from what I've heard. Get a 9xxx GT you'll get some off it at least XD
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December 1, 2010 12:59:11 AM

aznshinobi said:
Get the Athlon X3, defiantly. Folds bout 4k PPD from what I've heard. Get a 9xxx GT you'll get some off it at least XD


I'll think about it. :bounce: 

Although i would wait till client v7 comes around to see how ATI cards are doing.

i wonder what's taking them so long to get this client rolling. I know it's in Alpha stage but it's been in that state for a long while. Really, im surprised it hasn't went to at least the closed beta group so we can start getting ideas of how this new client going to act. im really starting to not like this "no eta" policy the F@H got.
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December 1, 2010 1:44:15 AM

V7 WILL HAVE ATI SUPPORT?
December 1, 2010 2:23:32 AM

Open box 460s are 130-150 and 470s are 180ish on newegg. Back in the day I paid $450 X 2 so I could be the first kid on the block with 6800GTs in SLI.....sure glad it's cheaper these days.
December 1, 2010 2:24:38 AM

Master W seems to be down....

Does he frequent the board?
December 1, 2010 2:28:44 AM


Hi everybody...

I just started this "folding" operation last night and now I have a couple questions.

I'm running the V6 GPU2 in this machine (which does not have impressive specs these days). [:tigsounds:3]
It's an AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ and the vid is a Radeon 3870, the system RAM is 8GB.
The 3870 has always been a great over-clocker, runs at max CCC can go and has never given the slightest problem as a result, so I leave it there at 885Mhz with a mem speed of 1300. It's been this way for about 4 years.

I can run either 32 bit XP or X64 (dual boot). I normally use the 32 bit.

I see my GPU load is 99% and the CPU load is 47%.
Is it worthwhile to install another instance of this folding program to run on the CPU?

I have no idea if the speed I'm processing is good or bad on the GPU, or how it would be different if running the CPU version instead (dual core), or both? Can Somebody here with experience with this thing advise the highest throughput, for the good of Tom's?? Thanks.

Here is a picture of what's happening now...





December 1, 2010 3:24:13 AM

tigsounds said:
Hi everybody...

I just started this "folding" operation last night and now I have a couple questions.

I'm running the V6 GPU2 in this machine (which does not have impressive specs these days). [:tigsounds:3]
It's an AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ and the vid is a Radeon 3870, the system RAM is 8GB.
The 3870 has always been a great over-clocker, runs at max CCC can go and has never given the slightest problem as a result, so I leave it there at 885Mhz with a mem speed of 1300. It's been this way for about 4 years.

I can run either 32 bit XP or X64 (dual boot). I normally use the 32 bit.

I see my GPU load is 99% and the CPU load is 47%.
Is it worthwhile to install another instance of this folding program to run on the CPU?

I have no idea if the speed I'm processing is good or bad on the GPU, or how it would be different if running the CPU version instead (dual core), or both? Can Somebody here with experience with this thing advise the highest throughput, for the good of Tom's?? Thanks.

Here is a picture of what's happening now...

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy336/tigsounds/speed-ind.jpg


Welcome to the team!

With that much CPU load I'd be worried that a CPU client might slow the GPU client.

Depending on the job, my 192 core 260GTXs at stock clock put out between 1600 and 2100 iter(iteration?)/second

Running a single core cpu client isn't worth too much. Best bang for the buck right now is GPU, and mainly Nvidia stuff. I'm not suggesting you spend any money. Everything helps the team and the cause, and everything is appreciated. The guys at Stanford might actually discover something life saving in the process, so it's not just about points per day.
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December 1, 2010 3:31:04 AM

well, the laptop doesn't like executing 8 threads, going down to 4 so it doesn't overheat and shutoff

need to do the thermal paste myself
December 1, 2010 6:08:02 AM

doubled said:
Welcome to the team!

With that much CPU load I'd be worried that a CPU client might slow the GPU client.

Depending on the job, my 192 core 260GTXs at stock clock put out between 1600 and 2100 iter(iteration?)/second

Running a single core cpu client isn't worth too much. Best bang for the buck right now is GPU, and mainly Nvidia stuff. I'm not suggesting you spend any money. Everything helps the team and the cause, and everything is appreciated. The guys at Stanford might actually discover something life saving in the process, so it's not just about points per day.


Your answer is exactly what I was looking for. This machine never gets turned off, so I'll just let it poke along.
Day in and day out, it'll do some good somewhere. Thanks for the reply
:) 
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December 1, 2010 8:28:05 AM


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I see my GPU load is 99% and the CPU load is 47%.
Is it worthwhile to install another instance of this folding program to run on the CPU?

I have no idea if the speed I'm processing is good or bad on the GPU, or how it would be different if running the CPU version instead (dual core), or both? Can Somebody here with experience with this thing advise the highest throughput, for the good of Tom's?? Thanks.


The ATI cards need a lot more CPU power to run, they all vary.

My HD4850 used 30-40% of a dual core Opty while folding and was worth about 1.2-1.4k ppd.

My GTX460 uses about 8-12% and is worth 11-15k ppd.

The Opty used to crash with the ATI when running the SMP2 client where as it ran fine with the 460.

I stopped using the Opty for folding, 15-18 hrs for 1.5-2k points, the 460 gets that every hour.

Have you downloaded fahmon or hfm.net to see your ppd.
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December 1, 2010 8:33:00 AM

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About $100 :lol:  (this is just to get the core of my family desktop back up and running.)

Which is just enough to get ram, motherboard, and cpu in a few of these combos.


Pity you don't live in the UK I could donate you some parts, I've got a Duron 600 here not being used. :D 
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December 1, 2010 8:34:02 AM

doubled said:
Master W seems to be down....

Does he frequent the board?


Not yet, think it takes a few days for each bigadv and then he appears with 70k in one hit.

Nice to see your getting warmed up!
December 1, 2010 10:24:14 AM

beanoslim said:
Not yet, think it takes a few days for each bigadv and then he appears with 70k in one hit.

Nice to see your getting warmed up!


Nah, he was running 2-3 cpu/gpu clients in addition to the bigadv, was contributing points at every update. He's down.
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December 1, 2010 11:31:09 AM

tigsounds said:
Your answer is exactly what I was looking for. This machine never gets turned off, so I'll just let it poke along.
Day in and day out, it'll do some good somewhere. Thanks for the reply
:) 


Hi Tigsounds.

Please drop your signature banner size to a maximum of 75 X 400.
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December 1, 2010 12:33:07 PM

Yeah Naughty Naughty, mine just got wiped out. :lol: 

Check previous coments on this thread, how do we scale it down?? Is it possible to resize??
December 1, 2010 2:23:37 PM

tigsounds said:

I see my GPU load is 99% and the CPU load is 47%.


For those who is running the GPU client on ATI card, you may want to check out the ATI part of this article:

http://en.fah-addict.net/articles/articles-1-3+gpu-envi...

You will have to play around with the environment variables' values, but it may help reduce the CPU usage. I know it "works" for the HD3870, not sure about the newer ATI cards.
December 1, 2010 7:03:06 PM

AK419 said:
For those who is running the GPU client on ATI card, you may want to check out the ATI part of this article:

http://en.fah-addict.net/articles/articles-1-3+gpu-envi...

You will have to play around with the environment variables' values, but it may help reduce the CPU usage. I know it "works" for the HD3870, not sure about the newer ATI cards.


Hey now, This Works! :D 
(and there are settings for Nvidia cards there also)

I plugged in the suggested values for Environment Variables:

FLUSH_INTERVAL = 128
BROOK_YIELD = 2
CAL_PRE_FLUSH = 1
CAL_NO_FLUSH = 0

Now my GPU (folding operations) is more than triple, and my CPU usage is 2% for the FahCore_11.exe.
System Idle Process went to 88%

Now I can add 2 CPU folders to use all that idle time. :) 

Thanks for the great info. :hello: 
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December 1, 2010 8:30:32 PM

aznshinobi said:
V7 WILL HAVE ATI SUPPORT?


Last i checked, it is.


http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=16375

This is the last info i got from about V7. You'll need to read both pages of the thread to get the full idea of whats going on with v7 although the first comment that VijayPande (the project top guy and the starter of F@H) in the #5 point, he mentions this,

Quote:
VijayPande

5) ATI deprecated their GPU language, Brook, in favor of OpenCL. So, we were forced to completely rewrite our GPU core for ATI in openCL. This takes time, especially to write highly optimized code. We have been internally testing this and expect to start beta testing it shortly (days to weeks). It will require client changes that are now built into the v7 client.


Although there "days to weeks" = ours actual "weeks to months".


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December 1, 2010 8:32:14 PM

tigsounds said:
Hi everybody...

I just started this "folding" operation last night and now I have a couple questions.

I'm running the V6 GPU2 in this machine (which does not have impressive specs these days). [:tigsounds:3]
It's an AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ and the vid is a Radeon 3870, the system RAM is 8GB.
The 3870 has always been a great over-clocker, runs at max CCC can go and has never given the slightest problem as a result, so I leave it there at 885Mhz with a mem speed of 1300. It's been this way for about 4 years.

I can run either 32 bit XP or X64 (dual boot). I normally use the 32 bit.

I see my GPU load is 99% and the CPU load is 47%.
Is it worthwhile to install another instance of this folding program to run on the CPU?

I have no idea if the speed I'm processing is good or bad on the GPU, or how it would be different if running the CPU version instead (dual core), or both? Can Somebody here with experience with this thing advise the highest throughput, for the good of Tom's?? Thanks.

Here is a picture of what's happening now...

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy336/tigsounds/speed-ind.jpg


Welcome to the team! :bounce: 
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December 1, 2010 9:23:16 PM

They passed us last week and we passed them back within a day, we'll get em again. :D 
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December 2, 2010 2:18:05 AM

beanoslim said:
They passed us last week and we passed them back within a day, we'll get em again. :D 


Nice way of looking at things. Although how long can we keep this up? ;) 

Anyways, I got some interesting news. No v7 client yet but it has to do with intel's sandybridge intergrated gpu. :heink: 

http://en.fah-addict.net/news/news-0-317+is-the-sandy-b...


Certainly a possibility of folding. (with F@H reworking the codes for Open CL), we could have a new way of folding things. Although dont expect big PPD with this (well on the gpu side of the cpu's ;)  )
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December 2, 2010 8:49:21 AM

We back ahead of them, and we catching quite a few others.

Our true force is yet to be unleashed..........Superwarmon

MasterW, Back in the game. He's coming for you Aznshinobi..
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December 2, 2010 12:57:19 PM

Lol nawww
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December 2, 2010 1:22:32 PM

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A fan can make so much difference in the temps of the components, it's amazing.
I would like to know how much the temps dropped while folding if you would be so kind to tell me, sir. :sol: 


Well lookee what just arrived.



For starters I can tell you that I just switched my Yate Loon D12SM-12 for my wonderfull more powerfull Enermax TB Silence and the cpu temp went up by 8C.

I ask, how can this be when the Enermax is supposed to have more airflow??

At least the new GTX works....so far.. :D 
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December 2, 2010 2:09:39 PM

beanoslim said:
Quote:
A fan can make so much difference in the temps of the components, it's amazing.
I would like to know how much the temps dropped while folding if you would be so kind to tell me, sir. :sol: 


Well lookee what just arrived.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1659/1002980m.jpg

For starters I can tell you that I just switched my Yate Loon D12SM-12 for my wonderfull more powerfull Enermax TB Silence and the cpu temp went up by 8C.

I ask, how can this be when the Enermax is supposed to have more airflow??

At least the new GTX works....so far.. :D 


How can i be super warmon if you keep buying parts at a faster rate than I? :lol:  Although eventually i will have more powerful hardware, but no where near the performance that you have for now anyways. :sarcastic: 


Eventully though, i'll invest in hardware that could make 1/2 to 2/3 of what the team is making now. Only a matter of money and time :) 
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December 2, 2010 3:00:33 PM

I feel sure that day will come and then we shall all bow to SW. [:graywolf]

I have figured out my fan issues.

The Yate airflow was in CFM and the Enermax was in m3/h so the Enermax has less airflow than the Yate.

What a doughnut.

So if the Enermax is rated 70m3/h and the Yate 70cfm whos gonna do the math.....warmon??
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December 2, 2010 4:25:52 PM

70 cu_m/h * 35.314667 cu_f / 1 cu_m * 1 h / 60 min = 41.2 cu_f/m aka cfm
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December 2, 2010 4:32:00 PM

And thats the reason why, 70cfm vs 41.2cfm.

Thanks. [:bohleyk:1]
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December 2, 2010 11:12:49 PM

beanoslim said:
We back ahead of them, and we catching quite a few others.

Our true force is yet to be unleashed..........Superwarmon

MasterW, Back in the game. He's coming for you Aznshinobi..


:lol: 

not only are we ahead of them, were now (practically) matched in PPD's :D 

Toms: 217,821
MSI: 217,238

Although issue now is, both teams see the same threats of other teams.

"Clube do Hardware - Brasil" 1 threat to both teams, (no way we are stopping that train. even if both teams combind :lol: ) "1.4 months"

That will bump us down to 81st and 82nd place but then both teams will past

ADSLgr - Greek aDSL Users & ADSLgr - Greek aDSL Users will pass up in 1.9 months, Making us 79th and 80th rank.


*thats if i we keep this pattern up.*

Anyways, good news, I wasn't using my laptop for as long as i thought i was going to be. So..... It's back to the folding. :bounce:  (although nothing will show up till this Saturday that I'm folding again. :sarcastic:  ) So i'll assist in what i can to keep MSI behind us.

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December 3, 2010 1:12:25 AM

^ Welll we'd beat them if they had ATI support, retarded GPU3 support... We were talking about ATI support since the 58xx and the 68xx are out and still nada...
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December 3, 2010 1:30:41 AM

I'm rocking out my Phenom II X4 810 @ 3.12GHz now as well whenever it doesn't need to be used

might think about getting my HTPC into this as well with the standard client (not SMP) since it rocks out only an Athlon II X2
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December 3, 2010 12:58:59 PM

I've filled up the Antec 300 with fans.

2x Enermax Everest 120mm front
1x Enermax TB on the cpu
120mm and 140mm Antecs rear and top exhaust that came with it.

Theres room for a 120mm side fan that blows directly onto the card but thats not in.

Compared to running with the side off, the OC'd 460 is Folding at 50C, it was 58C so a worthwhile decrease.

Noise is ok, more fans but with the side on it dulls the noise a bit, gonna set it up with the 2x460's next.

Does the cpu speed or memory have any effect on the Folding speed of the graphics cards? Trying to run everything low vault and low speed, just let the cards do the work, the cpu usage is around the 20% mark while folding.
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December 3, 2010 1:01:06 PM

Try a fan controller?
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December 3, 2010 1:05:16 PM

Already ordered, got it cheap off eBay.



It'll go with my blue fans, you'll know when I pass you now as well, look for the blue streak. :lol: 
December 4, 2010 1:14:32 AM

warmon6 said:
:lol: 

not only are we ahead of them, were now (practically) matched in PPD's :D 

Toms: 217,821
MSI: 217,238



UPS brought goods last night, new mobo for hex core and 2 470GTXs. We'll be walking away from them shortly
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December 4, 2010 1:14:58 AM

beanoslim said:
Already ordered, got it cheap off eBay.

http://www.zalman.co.kr/DataFile/product/ZM-MFC1_04_m(0).jpg

It'll go with my blue fans, you'll know when I pass you now as well, look for the blue streak. :lol: 


*sees blue streaks* ooooooooo :o 




Now i wonder what F@H is up to. :heink:  They been very quiet for the week. Only mentioning about a few new single core WU's on Monday. Certainly not normal as im used to seeing 2 to 4 updates a week. Wonder if something big going on behind the closed doors of Standford. (maybe the client v7 getting all hands on desk for a final push?)

Idk, It just not normal for them to be quiet.
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December 4, 2010 1:18:11 AM

doubled said:
UPS brought goods last night, new mobo for hex core and 2 470GTXs. We'll be walking away from them shortly


:bounce:  :bounce:  :bounce: 

Uh oh. The gloves are comming off now. Ak419, you better watch out.

Just remember, if your running linux, use "wine" (if possible) to run bigadv. ;) 


:wahoo: 

December 4, 2010 5:21:23 AM

Bah...can't find my Zalman 9700. Bought the conversion bracket and now the cooler is awol........
December 4, 2010 5:23:39 AM

warmon6 said:
:bounce:  :bounce:  :bounce: 

Uh oh. The gloves are comming off now. Ak419, you better watch out.

Just remember, if your running linux, use "wine" (if possible) to run bigadv. ;) 


:wahoo: 


I'll be running Server 2008R2 on that box.
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December 4, 2010 9:44:33 AM

Hooked the 2x460's up in the old rig, course that has warmed things up a bit with 2. They were Folding at temps - Top 60C / Bot 54C with all case fans on.

Then I installed the side fan that blows directly onto the cards and they now chug along at Top 54C / Bot 50C which I like a lot, they both say about 11kppd so I'll give them a good run this weekend and see.

For a mid to low price case the Antec 300 does supply some serious cooling power.

**UNDER CONSTRUCTION** Tie wrap anyone??



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